A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out

Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by madengr on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @12:44PM (#15907640)

Because those probably are not the ones who would shoot up the place.

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by nkrisc on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @01:42PM (#15908203)

A person with a gun is statistically more likely to shoot up a place than a person without a gun.

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by apple4ever on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @06:06PM (#15910346)

A person with with a CCW permit is statistically less likely to commit a crime than a cop.

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by mikestew on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @01:32PM (#15908119)

Not until they’re on their sixth complimentary whiskey sour and someone bumps into them.

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by monksy on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @03:13PM (#15909034)

We're talking about Las Vegas, not Texas.

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by pwinnski on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @03:37PM (#15909232)

I'd like to know where to get those complimentary whiskey sours in Texas.

Or you could avoid punchlines based on stereotype that don't actually fit the context.

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by nitrogen on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @01:46PM (#15908231)

How often does that scenario happen?

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by mikestew on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @02:08PM (#15908449)

My personal experience says that confrontations over minor shit happens at a non-trivial frequency where alcohol is served. Throw in poor alcohol-induced judgement with firearms, and someone’s going to feel compelled to settle it by waving a gun around. Odds are, no shots will be fired but accidents do happen when you’re drunk. Now, it’s not like this happens all the time, but I’ve seen it more than once with someone whipping out a firearm, and plenty of times over the decades where it ends up in a fight. Keep in mind this is all anecdotal, and somewhat specific to certain parts of the U. S.

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by LyndsySimon on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @02:19PM (#15908566)

I urge you to consider selection bias here. I suspect there isn't significant overlap in the following populations:

* people who submit to background checks, fees, and hassle to obtain a carry permit

* people who carry firearms while intoxicated

* people who are inclined to settle an argument with a firearm

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by mikestew on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @02:31PM (#15908687)

I urge you to consider selection bias here

Consider it? Hell, I openly admitted to it.

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by LyndsySimon on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @02:43PM (#15908793)

Fair enough :)

My own biases include that I often hear people implying that someone with a carry permit is more likely to use a firearm in a crime than someone who does not. That saddens me, and I do my best to try and challenge that idea (gently, in a professional manner) whenever I can.

It looks like I jumped the gun a bit here :)

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by chc on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @03:23PM (#15909116)

I would expect that the majority of the latter two groups are also in the first one, and very close to 100% of the last group is in the second one. Do you not think so?

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by LyndsySimon on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @03:30PM (#15909177)

No, especially not the first and second. It's extremely uncommon for someone with a carry permit to consume alcohol at all while carrying, much less do so in public and to the point of intoxication.

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by chc on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @04:59PM (#15909916)

You appear to be disagreeing with the opposite of what I said. The question isn't "What percentage of people with a carry permit would get drunk while carrying?" but "What percentage of people who go out drinking while carrying a gun have a carry permit?"

Those two answers can be completely different. For comparison, it is extremely uncommon for a human (group A) to be in my immediate family (group B), but everyone who is in my immediate family (group B) is a human (group A).

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by CompanionCuuube on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @03:45PM (#15909298)

I would expect that you're right. Someone who is likely to do the second and third likely would not have the clean record needed for the first.

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by aYsY4dDQ2NrcNzA on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @12:48PM (#15907685)

You mean they're obviously not /planning/ to shoot up the place.

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by ars on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @12:52PM (#15907728)

Your theory is someone accidentally brought their gun with them. So they figure: "I might as well just shoot up the place since I anyway have a gun?"

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by piyh on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @01:32PM (#15908115)

More like negligent discharges or crimes of passion by drunk gamblers.

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by jacquesm on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @01:08PM (#15907882)

No, those are the people the NRA claims will stop the bad guys.

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by pdx on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @01:41PM (#15908195)

CCW citizens are very often the people who take down such shooters. Your comment seems to imply otherwise.

A recent example is the Texas church shooting that happened recently, where an armed citizen with a non-concealed firearm in that case, wounded and then chased down the shooter, unfortunately after he had already killed multiple people. Sadly, nobody in the church was armed, as even CCW holders who frequently go armed will not think to do so at church.

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by auntienomen on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @01:58PM (#15908346)

So: Your one example of a CCW isn't actually a CCW?

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by jonnycoder on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @02:24PM (#15908624)

A CCW applies to storing loaded firearms in a vehicle in a state that otherwise makes that illegal (California). His example does apply broadly (I don't know the specific Texas laws).

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by UncleEntity on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @03:31PM (#15909184)

Umm, no.

A CCW lets you Carry a Concealed Weapon and has nothing to do with the storing of loaded firearms in vehicles. Though I suppose it would apply if you are in said vehicle and then 'storing' would become 'carrying'.

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But who knows about California in particular because their firearm laws are wacky. Back when I lived there the rule was "two steps" away from having a loaded firearm in your vehicle, ie: take the gun out of a case then load the magazine (IIRC of course, that was almost 20 years ago).

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by madengr on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @07:38PM (#15910942)

It DOES pertain to car storage. In most states the CCW is defined as “on or about your person”. No difference between your hip and glovebox. Note there is also a distinction between CCW and CCH. A CCH does not get you out of transportation laws for long guns.

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by jonnycoder on Thursday December 14, 2017 @12:07PM (#15924036)

That's why I said broadly, as CCW rules differ everywhere. In CA, it is illegal to carry in public buildings, schools, etc, so they clearly outline and review (in person with a sheriff deputy) legal approval to store/keep a loaded gun in your car (out of site) for these types of scenarios.

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by pdx on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @03:49PM (#15909318)

My one example? Yes, I gave one example. You're a bit of an ass, aren't you? OK, here's 6 more from the top of Google.

https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2017/04/armed-citizen-p...

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by dang on Friday December 15, 2017 @06:53PM (#15936334)

Yikes, please don't do personal attacks here regardless of how wrong, or provocative, someone else was. That's the downward spiral we all need the strength to pull out of.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by jonnycoder on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @02:27PM (#15908650)

Educate yourself: https://www.reddit.com/r/dgu/

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by ihattendorf on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @01:40PM (#15908193)

The perfect crime. /s

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