A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out

Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by LyndsySimon on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @02:19PM (#15908566)

I urge you to consider selection bias here. I suspect there isn't significant overlap in the following populations:

* people who submit to background checks, fees, and hassle to obtain a carry permit

* people who carry firearms while intoxicated

* people who are inclined to settle an argument with a firearm

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by mikestew on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @02:31PM (#15908687)

I urge you to consider selection bias here

Consider it? Hell, I openly admitted to it.

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by LyndsySimon on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @02:43PM (#15908793)

Fair enough :)

My own biases include that I often hear people implying that someone with a carry permit is more likely to use a firearm in a crime than someone who does not. That saddens me, and I do my best to try and challenge that idea (gently, in a professional manner) whenever I can.

It looks like I jumped the gun a bit here :)

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by chc on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @03:23PM (#15909116)

I would expect that the majority of the latter two groups are also in the first one, and very close to 100% of the last group is in the second one. Do you not think so?

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by LyndsySimon on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @03:30PM (#15909177)

No, especially not the first and second. It's extremely uncommon for someone with a carry permit to consume alcohol at all while carrying, much less do so in public and to the point of intoxication.

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by chc on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @04:59PM (#15909916)

You appear to be disagreeing with the opposite of what I said. The question isn't "What percentage of people with a carry permit would get drunk while carrying?" but "What percentage of people who go out drinking while carrying a gun have a carry permit?"

Those two answers can be completely different. For comparison, it is extremely uncommon for a human (group A) to be in my immediate family (group B), but everyone who is in my immediate family (group B) is a human (group A).

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Re:A Las Vegas Resort Using Microwaves to Keep Guns Out by CompanionCuuube on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @03:45PM (#15909298)

I would expect that you're right. Someone who is likely to do the second and third likely would not have the clean record needed for the first.

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