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Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by vonnik on Thursday October 26, 2017 @01:55PM (#15561340)
Yeah, all Twitter needed was a pack of neo-Nazis, some Russian bots, and a genocidal conman in the White House. Not worth it. The health of Twitter's balance sheet is a counterindication of the health of the world. When their stock goes up, the market should dive.
Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by seabird on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:47PM (#15561816)
>genocidal conman

It is no surprise that Trump won when his name can't be mentioned without an absolutely asinine, incorrect comment following it. Addressing dishonesty with hyperbole is not helping anyone.

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by ryguytilidie on Thursday October 26, 2017 @04:16PM (#15562614)
Uhhh, did you miss the tweets where he threatened Nuclear Holocaust on North Koreans if they didn't start behaving the way he wanted?
Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by seabird on Friday October 27, 2017 @07:54AM (#15567511)
You're being completely and totally intellectually dishonest. North Korea is a nuclear threat with an extremely vulnerable neighbor. Trump's interest in a first strike has nothing to do with eradicating the North Korean people.

Again, trying to justify your strong feelings about Trump by fabricating these insane narratives does nothing but hurt you and your political causes.

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by ryguytilidie on Friday October 27, 2017 @02:11PM (#15570841)
"trying to justify your strong feelings about Trump by fabricating these insane narratives"

This is the first time we've ever interacted and you're projecting my feelings? Great, we're off to a good start here.

From there, I'm "fabricating a narrative" because I implied that casually threatening to kill millions of people on twitter might be what someone else was referring to as "genocidal"?

You know what is WAY more disingenuous than calling killing millions of people "genocide"? Implying that a first strike which would kill millions of people has nothing to do with killing millions of people. Now THAT would be disingenuous.

And, just to throw a cherry on the top of those other weird behaviors, you tell me I'm doing nothing but hurting my political causes, when you don't know what they are.

Couldn't you at least have the self awareness to realize that just because you get cranky when someone calls threatening to kill millions of people "genocide" does not actually mean that all points that person makes somehow lose credibility with all other human beings on earth...because you said so...?

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by seabird on Saturday October 28, 2017 @11:59PM (#15577901)
I questioned the (incorrect) usage of the word "genocidal". There are no ifs, ands, or buts; not every mass killing/death is a genocide. A nuclear first strike against the DPRK in the current political climate would have nothing to do with a deliberate eradication of a certain ethnicity/nationality and everything to do with the DPRK being a nuclear threat in a nuclear world.

You responded to my questioning by trying to qualify the argument with his Twitter antics. Since you're supporting the argument (or at least trying to justify the sentiment of labeling something that wouldn't be a genocide a genocide), I think we can reasonably assume that you're not a fan of Trump's idea of a first strike. The tone of your writing heavily implies that, so if you're actually in support of (or not directly opposed to) a first strike, but simultaneously argue that people could reasonably mistake a first strike for a deliberate, focused genocide, a small disclaimer that you're arguing in support of two dissonant ideas really helps people understand what you're trying to say. Similarly, unless your political alignment and actual viewpoints on the subject are highly dissonant, your politics are pretty easy to extrapolate.

To my knowledge (and I could be wrong), there is no indication that Trump has any intention to eradicate the North Korean people. To argue that Trump's intention with a first strike would be to eradicate the North Korean people would require you to fabricate reasoning behind such an action. To argue that someone is justified in the genocide argument is to admit that they're fabricating that reasoning or narrative.

Not even once did I try to minimize the casualties a first strike would have.

I never said that the original argument was necessarily wrong. I did say that the general populace will make arguments to logic, and making individual points that are blatantly wrong except in the most liberal interpretation of the wording just enables the general populace to do so.

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by ryguytilidie on Sunday October 29, 2017 @03:49AM (#15578406)
Perhaps instead of writing proofs about how you came to believe what someone elses beliefs are, you could either:

a) Not do that.

b) Ask them what their views are if you're actually curious.

Cheers.

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by _Tev on Saturday October 28, 2017 @03:48AM (#15574378)
> You're being completely and totally intellectually dishonest.

> Trump's interest in a first strike has nothing to do with eradicating the North Korean people.

How was it again?

> Addressing dishonesty with hyperbole is not helping anyone.

Oh. Right.

I think both of you are failing to convince anyone.

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by Danihan on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:15PM (#15561520)
What an ignorant comment. Who has Trump committed genocide on? Who is a self-proclaimed neo-Nazi in the white house?
Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by bogomipz on Thursday October 26, 2017 @03:41PM (#15562289)
You don't have to commit genocide to be "genocidal." It's an adjective that means either "involving or relating to" to the act.

Similarly we say someone is "suicidal" but that doesn't mean they have committed suicide.

Having or displaying an attitude or a policy that could kill lots of people(presumably the OP is referring to North Korea" can be correctly labeled genocidal.

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by travmatt on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:16PM (#15561527)
>Who is a self-proclaimed neo-Nazi in the white house?

Seb Gorka

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by Danihan on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:19PM (#15561551)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/19/donald-trump-aide...

>Mr Gorka denied any anti-Semitism in his family.

>He said his father had protected Jewish boys wearing yellow stars on the way to school as a child. When Communists took power, he supplied information to MI6 before being arrested, tortured and imprisoned (possibly betrayed by Kim Philby). He arrived in the UK after escaping during the 1956 uprising.

How exactly is that "self-proclaimed" when he is denying it.

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by travmatt on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:38PM (#15561715)
On one hand he says that he isn’t a part of the order, on the other hand he wore their insignia to the inaugural ball. Maybe he was using neo nazi symbolism ironically?
Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by Danihan on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:43PM (#15561761)
>Leslie Waters, prof of European History at Randolph-Macon College, said: “It definitely is a symbol that a lot of Hungarians would associate with racist ideology and anti-Semitism but plenty of Hungarians also associate it with some sort of generic patriotism and anti-communism.”

Or he wore it to reflect his family history and as an anti-communist symbol....

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by orwin on Thursday October 26, 2017 @03:21PM (#15562132)
I agree with you in your comment that point that these disguised insults against trump are inappropriate here (saying this more directly could have better effect imo). But please, you seems to be a good guy, do not fall into the Tribal trap, whether it is "i must defend m own even if i'm wrong" or "He has opinions from the opposite side, he must be wrong on everything else". The people this man hang out with AND this symbol he wore are enough evidences that he support, even if it is a little, Nazi ideology.

Since nowaday, nazi ideology has several sides, xenophobic, antisemitic, racist ant anti-feminist (i might forgot some), he might agree on at least one, and if you're dead set on defending him you can say he is only xenophobic or something, and the other part of neonazism, he doesn't support, but are you really believing that he wore this to say "i'm anti-communist"? If he did, he must have been seriously misinformed (and anyone this out of touch, honestly, deserve to be kicked of of any job that require you to understand history).

Please do not go tribal on Hn.

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by kbhn on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:29PM (#15561629)
> Who has Trump committed genocide on?

Genocidal doesn't necessarily mean he's committed genocide; it means that he's prone to (and to some extent, fascinated by) mass acts of killing. The tweets about promising fire and fury on an entire nation of people (North Korea), telling Fox that we need to kill the terrorist families as well, etc. He gets off feeling like he's the most powerful man in the world.

He's a strongman, whose solutions often involve labeling entire categories of people as bad/evil (Muslims, Mexicans, the media). If you haven't noticed this you're either not paying attention or willfully ignorant.

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by Danihan on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:32PM (#15561666)
Genocidal means a proclivity to commit genocide. I believe you have do it once before you can be called that, in all fairness.

Generally, threatening war (and generally even going to war) is not considered genocide.

>and to some extent, fascinated by

We don't call people murderers just because they like watching CSI Miami.

In fact, the person Trump was threatening with his "fire and fury" remarks legitimately IS genocidal and has ACTIVE CONCENTRATION CAMPS in his country. Yet you think it's more important to criticize Trump for entering into a war of words, rather than the dictator himself?

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by ImSkeptical on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:41PM (#15561745)
Threatening a country that is threatening us isn't exactly genocidal. Killing families of terrorists is deeply immoral and murderous - but it's also in keeping with current U.S. policy (see Anwar al-Awlaki - both Trump and Obama administrations have killed Awlaki's children). Terrorists aren't a race though, so wanting to kill them and their families isn't genocide.
Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by craftyguy on Thursday October 26, 2017 @03:10PM (#15562034)
Don't confuse yourself. It's not the millions of people El Cheeto would kill in a nuclear strike on DPRK that are threatening the US, it is effectively one trump-like individual in charge of DPRK that is threatening the US.
Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by ImSkeptical on Thursday October 26, 2017 @07:18PM (#15564106)
I'm not confused on this point. The people of North Korea have devastatingly unfortunate circumstances, and the thought that, in addition to living such grim lives, they may have to die to ensure our safety - it's unfair beyond the power of words to describe.

And yet, if I had to choose between a million North Koreans, hundreds of thousands of South Koreans, and tens of thousands of American soldiers, dying in a pre-emptive war - versus all that plus a few million more Americans and North Koreans dying in a nuclear exchange... Well, it's an obvious choice.

North Korea is approaching the point of being able to achieve mutually assured destruction. They could build a cobalt bomb, or spend a decade building ICBMS, but relatively soon the problem will be intractable and we will play nuclear chicken with an unstable murderous dictatorial regime.

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by wildmusings on Thursday October 26, 2017 @03:16PM (#15562099)
Government has consequences. That's why democracy is so important. This is especially true with regards to foreign policy. If a country threatens another such that the threatened country's only viable defense is to attack the civilians of the aggressor, that would be a totally legitimate tactic of war.

Taking out North Korea's nuclear capability while preventing a counter attack on South Korea will probably involve the deaths of many innocent North Koreans, since North Korean artillery is spread widely throughout the southern part of the country. That is tragic, and no small part of why we've allowed this madness to go on for so long. But at some point a people must protect their security, and do what must be done.

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by craftyguy on Thursday October 26, 2017 @03:28PM (#15562193)
> That's why democracy is so important

Too bad there is not a true democracy in the US.

> Taking out North Korea's nuclear capability while preventing a counter attack on South Korea will probably involve the deaths of many innocent North Koreans,

How about we concentrate on their leadership, instead of 'spraying and praying'?

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by wildmusings on Thursday October 26, 2017 @03:32PM (#15562217)
That's not so easy. Decapitating the regime, even if we could reliably kill all the key officials, does not necessarily prevent a lengthy barrage of artillery on South Korea.
Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by KGIII on Thursday October 26, 2017 @04:35PM (#15562772)
The US has never had a true democracy, and this is by design.
Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by KGIII on Thursday October 26, 2017 @04:33PM (#15562761)
And you wonder why your side keeps losing elections.

If you're curious, I am on the left.

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by aaron-lebo on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:37PM (#15561711)
You're identifying things which make him an authoritarian, a strongman, and an idiot, but that still doesn't make him genocidal. That has a very specific meaning.
Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by NathanCH on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:37PM (#15561705)
Saying someone is prone to genocide because they are xenophobic is a massive stretch.
Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by cisanti on Friday October 27, 2017 @05:35AM (#15566892)
You just describes every American president . Trump is a fool, but the witch hunt is ridiculous.
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Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by Danihan on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:40PM (#15561741)
It's very pathetic to me how desperate people are to label Trump a Nazi, simply because he criticizes Islam and wants to scale back immigration (which the public never even voted to approve in the first place.)

Towards your main point: https://us-east-1.tchyn.io/snopes-production/uploads/2016/03... -- Most politicians talk about making their countries great or better, obviously.

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by zghst on Thursday October 26, 2017 @03:01PM (#15561955)
They called Bush a racist, dumb guy, etc. I’m sure next Republican around they’ll cherish how much they missed Trump for his humor and spirit.
Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by theseatoms on Thursday October 26, 2017 @03:34PM (#15562235)
Undoubtedly. The left's reaction to DJT has pushed me closer to the Republican party than I could've ever imagined.
Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by awj on Thursday October 26, 2017 @03:54PM (#15562414)
> The left's reaction to DJT has pushed me closer to the Republican party than I could've ever imagined.

Do you think it's a good thing that your political opinions are so profoundly influenced by shitposting you see online?

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by Danihan on Friday October 27, 2017 @11:25AM (#15569287)
The entire predominant media narrative is not just "shitposting online."

https://c4.legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/...

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by lucas_maximus83 on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:46PM (#15561800)
Ronald Reagan used the same campaign slogan in the 80s get a fucking grip. It is a short memorable slogan and it is simply good marketing.

Hitler was a vegetarian and liked dogs. According to your logic that makes you a nazi.

Also you probably don't remember, but everyone called George W Bush a nazi when he was elected. It is complete fucking bullshit and tbh I think it is pretty disgusting to demean the real meaning of things like racism, fascism etc when you clearly don't understand what that really means or the implications.

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by odammit on Thursday October 26, 2017 @04:56PM (#15562924)
People called Obama one too.

I think the difference is the subtle embrace of white supremacy via the inability to dismiss or criticize those “good people” on both sides.

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by lucas_maximus83 on Friday October 27, 2017 @01:52PM (#15570665)
Growing up as a kid in the late 80s and 90s the whole message from society was "Racism and Sexism is bad, treat everyone equally". Now the message is "If you are a white person you should accept being treated like a second class citizen".

This is the thing that has led to a growing white supremacy movement, even Jared Taylor (a prominent white supremacist in the US) has said so "They are driving them [white men] into our arms".

Ridiculous comments like yours saying that Trump is dog whistling to the alt-right when he said there "was violence on both" sides is again bullshit (there has been clashes between the far right and the far left in the US months before that statement) as what he said was more or less accurate.

Also why would he subtly dog whistle? White supremacy movements in the USA are tiny (in the few thousands), there aren't any votes in it. It simply doesn't make any sense from a campaign standpoint.

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by _Tev on Saturday October 28, 2017 @04:06AM (#15574405)
> Now the message is "If you are a white person you should accept being treated like a second class citizen"

> Ridiculous comments like yours

I like the irony.

Frankly, from outsiders perspective, both sides seem ridiculous and hypersensitive. Except one side keeps pushing tax cuts for the rich and the other tries to implement some of things we in Europe consider standard.

But neither side is good at convincing anyone. Or even good at seeming at least a little reasonable in these discussions.

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by lucas_maximus83 on Saturday October 28, 2017 @10:13AM (#15575187)
> I like the irony.

In my home country in the BBC there was a woman pretty much saying that White British people are racist.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-41148872/sacked-model-all-wh...

This is one example but I been seeing this shit turn up on social media for the last 2 years. It could be cognitive bias, or I am noticing it more. But it is definitely there.

> Except one side keeps pushing tax cuts for the rich and the other tries to implement some of things we in Europe consider standard.

Except as someone that lives in Europe (I lived in Spain, the UK and Germany) most of the things that are standard in Europe don't work. The NHS has botch the treatment of my right shoulder and while I am not disabled, I now have a permanent weakness in my right side of my body.

In Spain there is massive unemployment and the country economy is permanently crashed (I lived in La Linea and the unemployment rate was 48%). Regular utilities like rubbish disposal stopped for 2 or 3 months because there was no money to pay the bin men (Garbage man for those in the US).

"Tax cuts for the rich". LOL. You know if you tax the rich too highly they basically leave the country or they find a loophole round it. That is why there is are measures like an affective tax rate. In the UK where they keep on tightening up tax laws most of the large companies are in Ireland or off shore in one of the crown dependencies such as Isle of Man, Jersey, Guernsey, Gibraltar etc. I paid more tax than Starbucks last year and I run a small hosting company. So I get fucked by tax rate increases for businesses and individuals because I just about fit into that bracket of the so called rich.

Also a lot of these tax the rich laws never take into account where you live. I used to live in Manchester in the UK and I was earning £30,000 and I lived very comfortably. If I lived in London I would barely be able to afford the rent.

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by odammit on Saturday October 28, 2017 @11:55AM (#15575525)
He’s not subtle at all. It’s pretty obvious he doesn’t like non-whites. Or at least prefers to judge them if you want to wear kid gloves.

He tried to skate by not criticizing the Charlottesville nazis/“protectors” of southern heritage/whatever they want to call themselves when he’s pretty quick to criticize any nonwhite race that commits violence or a crime.

Sources: the passage of time cross referenced with the garbage that tumbles out of his mouth and/or thumbs.

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Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by dang on Saturday October 28, 2017 @11:12PM (#15577807)
You've been violating the Hacker News guidelines by using the site primarily for political battle. We ban accounts that do that, so please stop doing that.

You've also crossed into incivility, and we ban accounts that do that too. Would you mind reading https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and following them when posting here? We'd appreciate it.

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by zghst on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:59PM (#15561933)
Bill Clinton also used the same phrase in his 1992 campaign.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2016...

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by forgot-my-pw on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:07PM (#15561456)
They should just make a bot like Microsoft and let it loose.

Edit:

- For the uninformed: https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297050/tay-microsoft-ch...

- Archives: https://www.reddit.com/r/Tay_Tweets/top/?sort=top&t=all

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by wolco on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:13PM (#15561501)
That is what passes for entertainment these days. Who do you thinking is following the feeds? Who is watching the cnn warrooms? The general public is rooting for or against whatever they believe.
Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by tclancy on Thursday October 26, 2017 @03:21PM (#15562140)
Ha, this reminds me of a story from economics class that Hamburger Helper was one of a set of products whose profits correlated negatively with the overall economy's health.
Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by agumonkey on Thursday October 26, 2017 @03:46PM (#15562328)
A good reason to support twitter "we'll remove djt account but we need money"
Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by Swizec on Thursday October 26, 2017 @03:01PM (#15561961)
> The health of Twitter's balance sheet is a counterindication of the health of the world.

So just like every other news outlet out there? If it bleeds it leads and all that.

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by katastic on Thursday October 26, 2017 @03:39PM (#15562268)
I love posts like yours. So many on HN. You guys actually believe those words.

You realize that even if he was Hitler himself, we have multiple branches of government to counteract his power.

Re:Twitter says it could turn first-ever profit by bluthru on Thursday October 26, 2017 @02:28PM (#15561628)
>genocidal

What?