Re:Silicon Valley CEO Called Employees the N-Word and Hit Th...
by mabbo on Monday September 18, 2017 @12:00PM
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We've built a system where guys like this are the ones most able to succeed. Why are we shocked that they do?
Martin Shkreli, Travis Kalanick, this asshole- plus a hundred more behind them getting VC funding despite a complete lack of morals or ethics. In the short run, they win. In the long run, they're toxic and their companies flounder because of it. But still, the VC money flows towards these guys.
Re:Silicon Valley CEO Called Employees the N-Word and Hit Th...
by JBReefer on Monday September 18, 2017 @12:08PM
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Arguably, it's better that these people are in private industry than in government, which might be considered a feature of the system. Some have argued that civilization is mostly concerned with the management of sociopaths: this guy seems fucking horrible, but at least his ambition took him here, instead of being the "Duke of Feeding People and Medicine" or something where his shittyness would kill people.
I feel kind of gross writing that, for the record, but think it's true.
Re:Silicon Valley CEO Called Employees the N-Word and Hit Th...
by RealityVoid on Monday September 18, 2017 @12:14PM
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1) While he is shitty that does not make him incompetent, I would dare to say that if the incentives were right, assholes might even be a great in government and do an awesome job as
2) The fact that assholes are more obvious in the private sector does not preclude them from existing in the state sector. They might just be more hidden.
In the current world of high (fake?) valuations, make money fast and now - this strategy wins so it is considered "OK", overlooked or the norm. The fact that it is revealed to be happening in SV is only IMO b/c the industry is so hot now. All eyes on on it. Its also the only real investment/booming industry left in America. I'm sure we saw a lot of this in the past too (80s wall street etc) :(
Re:Silicon Valley CEO Called Employees the N-Word and Hit Th...
by beager on Monday September 18, 2017 @12:25PM
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In the long run, their being tolerated by VCs (and other capitalists) tends to push the liability onto public markets via acquisitions and IPOs, which you could argue makes it Not Their Problem, but that should eventually cause markets to develop a wariness or distaste for those VCs' companies, which is a long-term liability. So I can understand why the money flows toward them, but it can create complex, long-running problems.
I'd like to live in a world where we follow the No Assholes rule a little more strictly.
Re:Silicon Valley CEO Called Employees the N-Word and Hit Th...
by tomp on Monday September 18, 2017 @03:53PM
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Maybe because this behaviour doesn't actually matter?
Imagine a scenario where your child is sick and will likely die. There's a handful of doctors in the world capable of treating him/her, the best one frequently says the "n-word", and the rest are 50% worse. Which one will you pick?
Most rational people would pick the one that's better on the metric that matters. The "n-word"-speaking one probably wouldn't get picked to do PR, but if he's a better surgeon, he's a better surgeon.
That's also how investors act. Someone is "better" if they make more money, all things considered.
Re:Silicon Valley CEO Called Employees the N-Word and Hit Th...
by tristor on Monday September 18, 2017 @12:04PM
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There needs to be a website cataloging and calling out these sorts of people and their behaviors so that they can never escape from posterity. Call it "Silicon Scumbag" or something. It seems to be a trend that quite a few SV CEOs after striking it rich turn into total human garbage, especially in their treatment of women.
Re:Silicon Valley CEO Called Employees the N-Word and Hit Th...
by beager on Monday September 18, 2017 @12:09PM
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I feel like Valleywag did a pretty good job of that, but it's now shut down.
One problem with Valleywag, or any enterprise that would chronicle these sorts of things, is that while abhorrent behavior by SVites waxes and wanes, the need to push constant volume leads them to be gossipy and vapid. Also, while we might have a substantive discussion about this guy's abhorrent behavior here, a normalized version of that discussion for general consumption may gloss over some aspects of the despicableness of this behavior that require addressing in order to promote higher quality actors in tech.
Re:Silicon Valley CEO Called Employees the N-Word and Hit Th...
by m13v on Monday September 18, 2017 @12:05PM
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Gravity4 had signed a 1 year contract with my employer, a SaaS company. They consumed millions of transactions through us over a 2 month period and never paid. They said they're cancelling. When I explained we've signed a yearly contract and it must be honored the employee claimed the signee had no signing authority and she only kept this guy in CC.
I'm surprised Gravity4 is still operational, their employees are acting like mini Chahals.
Re:Silicon Valley CEO Called Employees the N-Word and Hit Th...
by wolco on Monday September 18, 2017 @12:20PM
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When I see that yahoo paid 700 million for his company in 2007 it probably gave him enough fake credibility to hang himself.
Curious was the 700 sale a good deal for yahoo at the time. The article spoke of an initial 40 million or 25 million deal that went sour immediately. That probably gave him enough creditability that yahoo felt it could make a 700 dollar deal because this young guy was a rasing talent.
Those who base decisions on credibility vs obserable fact are cheating themselves. Credibility can be gifted as well as earned. For those who have it gifted you begin to rely on a third party who may have relied on a third party.
Re:Silicon Valley CEO Called Employees the N-Word and Hit Th...
by JBReefer on Monday September 18, 2017 @12:11PM
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For those who check the comments first - read this article. It's short, and his behavior is honestly horrifying. He sounds like an actual sociopath that has no human decency.
Re:Silicon Valley CEO Called Employees the N-Word and Hit Th...
by ringaroundthetx on Monday September 18, 2017 @11:56AM
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People will simply have to drop their idea that reprehensible behavior should get you shut off from society, or that disproportionate earnings of money / status are only reserved for people that conform to a behavioral mode. Obviously it is all unrelated, but prosperity preaching has warped society's expectations.
His $100m cryptocurrency raise will go off without a hitch. When the revenue event is front loaded like that, they will have no need to appease advertisers or conform to any behavioral model to continue doing business.
Of course his lawyers didn't comment, the sale will happen by the end of the month, and nothing else money wise will really matter.
The point of cryptocurrency is that the state couldn't even levy any sanctions against his accounts, even if they had the justification.
Re:Silicon Valley CEO Called Employees the N-Word and Hit Th...
by QAPereo on Monday September 18, 2017 @11:59AM
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On the flipside when his impulsive behavior, drug use, violence etc catch up with him and eventually he's killed or dies of his own accord, no one is going to care and no one is going to seriously investigate.
Re:Silicon Valley CEO Called Employees the N-Word and Hit Th...
by whistlerbrk on Monday September 18, 2017 @11:55AM
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I suspect he didn't grow up. Dropped out of high school at 16, knew he was smart, never had any humbling experiences, etc, etc. Not at all to excuse his god awful behaviour.
Re:Silicon Valley CEO Called Employees the N-Word and Hit Th...
by calbear81 on Monday September 18, 2017 @01:06PM
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Actually this makes a lot of sense, basically struck it rich as a child and never had to go through the normal social experiences that help define who we are and our values. Believes that money is what defines him and everything in the world can be solved by more of it.
Re:Silicon Valley CEO Called Employees the N-Word and Hit Th...
by chiefalchemist on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @09:34AM
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My knee jerk reaction was "Fuck him."
The reality is, he needs help. No one who is "normal" would do such things. Abnormal (usually) doesn't just happen. That is, there is something somewhere that drives these symptom to the surface. If there's a pattern, it's likely there's a reason(s) for that pattern.
Re:Silicon Valley CEO Called Employees the N-Word and Hit Th...
by beager on Monday September 18, 2017 @12:11PM
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Dodge regulators, capitalize on hype buyers who won't read the fine print. Taken in context, I don't expect one satoshi* of this to go toward anything real or good.
(sidenote: is a "satoshi" the right term for the indivisible unit of a cryptocurrency that's not Bitcoin?)
Re:Silicon Valley CEO Called Employees the N-Word and Hit Th...
by richardknop on Monday September 18, 2017 @03:01PM
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A total sociopath and a danger to society (especially his violent physical attacks of women). This guy should be locked somewhere so he doesn't hurt more people.
Re:Silicon Valley CEO Called Employees the N-Word and Hit Th...
by pvaldes on Monday September 18, 2017 @08:54PM
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The man was shown as an evil psycho, and maybe he is, but just to play the devils advocate part here; as harsh and extreme as this sounds (and I agree that it sounds a lot extreme) to hit your partner is "not a crime" if happens in a private, consensual, adult and freely accepted by all parts contex. Human relationships can get very complicated sometimes.
> he was filmed hitting and kicking his girlfriend 117 times
Some parts of the history sound disonant to me. There was a camera in the room? Why? Who was recording the scene and, If a third people, why he/she keep recording instead to stop and try to help her? Why she do not just walked away and left the room at the second hit? Standing 117 hits without leaving the narrow camera angle is anomalous.
Without a minimum context atached to the video history we can't really know if the man is just a psycho, or is another case of steroids fury, or drugs, or somebody tending a trap (unprobable, but not impossible) to suck as many money as possible from a millionaire, or...
Re:Silicon Valley CEO Called Employees the N-Word and Hit Th...
by bshimmin on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @04:16AM
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Some parts of the history sound disonant to me. There was a camera in the room? Why?
"Chahal's penthouse apartment had a state-of-the-art video surveillance system that on Aug. 5, 2013, filmed Chahal hitting and kicking his girlfriend 117 times..."
Is that good enough for you, or do you need to come up with some more "or..."s? He was recorded beating the hell out of a woman, why on earth are you coming up with hypothetical excuses for him?
Re:Silicon Valley CEO Called Employees the N-Word and Hit Th...
by chrisbennet on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @04:10AM
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Women get abused all the time and there will be men who will defend the beater in some way or imply she might be lying because "we can't be sure".
I probably shouldn't be surprised that even with video evidence of beatings that some people will still say "we can't be sure, maybe she asked to be beaten".
Re:Silicon Valley CEO Called Employees the N-Word and Hit Th...
by pvaldes on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @05:53AM
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Not. Some women get abused all the time, and some men also get abused. Most men aren't rapists or kick their girlfriends for sport.
Of course we must be sure before to put one human in jail, this means that we need to be as cold as we can, study each case separately instead to automatically link all with the discourse of the woman opression around the history, and discard all the other options. Being too much emotional and bursting in revenge's flames do not helps to find the truth in this kind of cases.
A private video surveillance system is good enough for me, yes. It explain a lot of things that would be strange otherwise.
Martin Shkreli, Travis Kalanick, this asshole- plus a hundred more behind them getting VC funding despite a complete lack of morals or ethics. In the short run, they win. In the long run, they're toxic and their companies flounder because of it. But still, the VC money flows towards these guys.
I feel kind of gross writing that, for the record, but think it's true.
There's video of him striking his SO 117 times, hopefully he goes to prison and stays there.
>In the short run, they win.
In the current world of high (fake?) valuations, make money fast and now - this strategy wins so it is considered "OK", overlooked or the norm. The fact that it is revealed to be happening in SV is only IMO b/c the industry is so hot now. All eyes on on it. Its also the only real investment/booming industry left in America. I'm sure we saw a lot of this in the past too (80s wall street etc) :(
I'd like to live in a world where we follow the No Assholes rule a little more strictly.
Imagine a scenario where your child is sick and will likely die. There's a handful of doctors in the world capable of treating him/her, the best one frequently says the "n-word", and the rest are 50% worse. Which one will you pick?
Most rational people would pick the one that's better on the metric that matters. The "n-word"-speaking one probably wouldn't get picked to do PR, but if he's a better surgeon, he's a better surgeon.
That's also how investors act. Someone is "better" if they make more money, all things considered.
Your comment sounds like some HN parody.
People that intentionally damage the society on a day job and beat their partners in the evening are not analogical to a politically incorrect doctor.
One problem with Valleywag, or any enterprise that would chronicle these sorts of things, is that while abhorrent behavior by SVites waxes and wanes, the need to push constant volume leads them to be gossipy and vapid. Also, while we might have a substantive discussion about this guy's abhorrent behavior here, a normalized version of that discussion for general consumption may gloss over some aspects of the despicableness of this behavior that require addressing in order to promote higher quality actors in tech.
I'm surprised Gravity4 is still operational, their employees are acting like mini Chahals.
And in addition to all of this, he's also promoting a (likely) scam ICO involving Paris Hilton. Good times!
Curious was the 700 sale a good deal for yahoo at the time. The article spoke of an initial 40 million or 25 million deal that went sour immediately. That probably gave him enough creditability that yahoo felt it could make a 700 dollar deal because this young guy was a rasing talent.
Those who base decisions on credibility vs obserable fact are cheating themselves. Credibility can be gifted as well as earned. For those who have it gifted you begin to rely on a third party who may have relied on a third party.
Yahoo paid 300M, not 700M. It's in the article itself.
Of course, it's still 300M more than they should have.
His $100m cryptocurrency raise will go off without a hitch. When the revenue event is front loaded like that, they will have no need to appease advertisers or conform to any behavioral model to continue doing business.
Of course his lawyers didn't comment, the sale will happen by the end of the month, and nothing else money wise will really matter.
The point of cryptocurrency is that the state couldn't even levy any sanctions against his accounts, even if they had the justification.
So thanks for the informative article.....
My question is thus: was he raised this way or did he become this horrible person once he struck it rich?
Wealth, like power, I imagine, has the same effect.
The reality is, he needs help. No one who is "normal" would do such things. Abnormal (usually) doesn't just happen. That is, there is something somewhere that drives these symptom to the surface. If there's a pattern, it's likely there's a reason(s) for that pattern.
If his personal actions are this morally void, would management turn blind eye to wrong-doing by the company? Breach of client data, etc.
(sidenote: is a "satoshi" the right term for the indivisible unit of a cryptocurrency that's not Bitcoin?)
1. https://youtu.be/dF1NUposXVQ
> he was filmed hitting and kicking his girlfriend 117 times
Some parts of the history sound disonant to me. There was a camera in the room? Why? Who was recording the scene and, If a third people, why he/she keep recording instead to stop and try to help her? Why she do not just walked away and left the room at the second hit? Standing 117 hits without leaving the narrow camera angle is anomalous.
Without a minimum context atached to the video history we can't really know if the man is just a psycho, or is another case of steroids fury, or drugs, or somebody tending a trap (unprobable, but not impossible) to suck as many money as possible from a millionaire, or...
"Chahal's penthouse apartment had a state-of-the-art video surveillance system that on Aug. 5, 2013, filmed Chahal hitting and kicking his girlfriend 117 times..."
Is that good enough for you, or do you need to come up with some more "or..."s? He was recorded beating the hell out of a woman, why on earth are you coming up with hypothetical excuses for him?
I probably shouldn't be surprised that even with video evidence of beatings that some people will still say "we can't be sure, maybe she asked to be beaten".
Of course we must be sure before to put one human in jail, this means that we need to be as cold as we can, study each case separately instead to automatically link all with the discourse of the woman opression around the history, and discard all the other options. Being too much emotional and bursting in revenge's flames do not helps to find the truth in this kind of cases.
A private video surveillance system is good enough for me, yes. It explain a lot of things that would be strange otherwise.