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Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by paulajohnson on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @05:07AM (#15130703)
I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand this was his wish, but on the other hand I am sure that future generations of pratchettologists will mourn the loss.
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by Ntrails on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @05:28AM (#15130787)
It's interesting the parallels I see between this and right to die.

He didn't want to destroy his work whilst he could still work. But if he waits too long and misses the opportunity to take action whilst in good health he may lose control over it. Without the other limiting factors - this feels like a very easy call. I'm thrilled that he trusted people to see his wishes through - and as importantly that they've shown themselves to be deserving of said trust

Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by gambiting on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @05:36AM (#15130816)
I'm really annoyed that Pope John Paul's II wishes were not respected by his life long friend and right hand - Cardinal Dziwisz - Pope asked him to burn all his notes after his death, which the cardinal promised, and then released all the notes in a book after pope's death. I can "sort of" get his reasoning - that these notes were extremely valuable to the church and people in general - but a personal wish, especially such as this, should be respected in my opinion.
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by sambe on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @06:01AM (#15130895)
I think the important thing is that it's a form of deceit. It's not about the value to the public vs the value of the person's wishes: if you don't intend to go through with the wishes or believe there is a good chance that you will not be able to, then you should recuse yourself at the point of the request (or as soon as you realise). Deciding to stay involved and make your own choice is simply duplicitious - it completely defeats the point of having the legal power. It wouldn't surprise me if someone could sue the executor, since they are clearly acting against the best interests of the person.
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by dingaling on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @06:08AM (#15130923)
That's an interesting example of where personal wishes cross over the 'corporate' boundary. The person is subsumed by the job and unless they display huge self-restraint it will be difficult to separate personal notes from their corporate thinking.

Presidential diaries would be another example, or a CEO's Rolodex.

Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by frobozz on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @06:37AM (#15131029)
Here's the story: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/05/world/europe/entrusted-to.... It isn't just The Pope's notes, but notes that predate his inauguration as Pope, and it isn't just about retention, but about publication.

Both retention and publication go against the wishes of the deceased, but I would see putting them in the Vatican Archives for a few researchers to peruse as a lesser transgression than putting them in a book for all to see.

I agree with you that there is probably a legal or moral requirement to retain the notes of Pope John Paul II, and that may override his personal wishes (though, again, in an archive, rather than in all good bookshops).

You are also correct that it may be difficult, or even impossible to separate JP2's notes from Karol Wojtyla's notes after 1978, but what about before? Are the notes of Bishop of Ombi or the Archbishop of Krakow also as important? How far back does the corporate entanglement go?

Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by mikeash on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @10:35AM (#15132420)
In addition to the moral questions, wouldn't this be a straightforward copyright violation?
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by nobodyorother on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @11:59AM (#15133239)
My (somewhat oblique) question is why copyright would apply to a dead guy's works. ...It's not like respecting copyright is going to get him to write more.
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by mikeash on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @12:19PM (#15133421)
The standard answer is that it incentivizes living authors to know that their heirs will be able to continue to benefit from their work.

In any case, the question of why it is that way doesn't much matter for this particular question. Regardless of why copyright applies to a dead guy's works, it does.

Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by frobozz on Thursday August 31, 2017 @10:12AM (#15140427)
IANAL

That may depend on whether they are John Paul II's notes (and the Bishop of Ombi's etc.) or Karol Wojtyla's. And whether the published work belongs to The Church or to Dziwisz.

Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by neaden on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @12:28PM (#15133501)
On the other hand if Max Brod had listened to Kafka we wouldn't have The Trial, The Castle, or Amerika along with much of the authors other work.
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by gambiting on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @03:26PM (#15135133)
Sure but if you think about it this way I am sure there were countless works of the same caliber or greater which have never seen the light of day for various reasons, and I can't say we are poorer for it, since we don't even know what we lost. You can't mourn something that you didn't know you had - so a world that never had Kafka could not mourn the lack of his works.
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by slowmotiony on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @06:35AM (#15131019)
What can I say, clearly God needs money.
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by FullContCoder on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @08:28AM (#15131511)
That's an absolute fantastic way to look at it. This is what I want to believe how it went. :)
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by oh_sigh on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @11:36AM (#15133011)
A compromise would have been nice. Perhaps digitize the notes and only release them after every person that was alive in the world at the moment of Pratchett's death was also dead.
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by kyle-rb on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @07:01PM (#15136847)
>only release them after every person that was alive in the world at the moment of Pratchett's death was also dead

I wonder if, around 100 years from now, that would create a tontine type scenario.

Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by klipt on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @01:26PM (#15134075)
> pratchettologists

Re Terry's opinion on 'pratchettologists', may I point you to the following in the Pratchett Quote File: https://www.lspace.org/books/pqf/alt-fan-pratchett.html

"I save about twenty drafts -- that's ten meg of disc space -- and the last one contains all the final alterations. Once it has been printed out and received by the publishers, there's a cry here of 'Tough shit, literary researchers of the future, try getting a proper job!' and the rest are wiped."

-- (Terry Pratchett, alt.fan.pratchett)

Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by laumars on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @05:28AM (#15130786)
As a Pratchett fan I welcome his wish as it means his legacy is left as he had intended it to be written.
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by loopbit on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @06:48AM (#15131062)
Not only that, there's one of his (many) quotes that fits nicely with this way of thinking:

"I save about twenty drafts — that's ten meg of disc space — and the last one contains all the final alterations. Once it has been printed out and received by the publishers, there's a cry here of 'Tough shit, literary researchers of the future, try getting a proper job!' and the rest are wiped."

On one hand, as a long time Pratchett fan, it would be interesting to see what ideas he was working on (I'll miss many of his characters), on the other hand and looking at other examples (cough, cough, Tolkien, cough), I prefer his legacy to be what it is today.

Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by mcv on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @08:18AM (#15131460)
I just read an article about George R.R. Martin's writing process, and apparently he's done some extreme rewrites to some of his books, and submitted all his intermediary manuscripts to some archive.

As for Tolkien, I'm quite happy that the Silmarillion got published.

Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by paulajohnson on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @08:29AM (#15131512)
Its not just about the release of an unfinished novel with lots of rough edges, its our understanding of how the Diskworld evolved in Pterry's mind over the years. TCOM was a simple spoof of swords-and-sorcery epics, but by Going Postal it had become a complex world that fused magic with steampunk. The rough drafts, abandoned dead-ends and private notes that presumably inhabited those disk drives would have provided insights into how this happened.

Update: just read loopbit's response to the same post. Good point.

Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by tjwds on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @09:10AM (#15131794)
Did a bit of poking around, it looks like there's a substantial collection of his materials at the Senate House Library at the University of London. [1]

These materials include quite a few interesting research angles: draft manuscripts of published works, unpublished stories, other ephemera including letters, & biographies by other authors.

[1] http://www.ulrls.lon.ac.uk/resources/Pratchett.pdf

Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by mirekrusin on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @05:35AM (#15130813)
For cases like this there should be Long Bearded Commissioner who decides to split the country in half - one side would get the papers and the other would pretend they were destroyed. Each citizen should be given a choice in which reality to live in.
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by robin_reala on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @05:36AM (#15130819)
Please, no more referendums.
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by mirekrusin on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @06:24AM (#15130986)
Exactly, jokes aside, most referendums could be avoided completely by giving people the control over where their tax money should go.
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by LeifCarrotson on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @12:10PM (#15133346)
The problem is that the preferences of individuals does not match the preference of those people in a group.

A group (say, of castaways on a desert island) can easily afford to have 99% of people donate 1% of their output to support a 1% of their population that was paralyzed in the crash, and most would prefer not to watch that 1% die of neglect. But individually, no one can give 100% of their output to that 1%.

Left to their own devices and anonymous, people will slowly opt out of the voluntary contribution, and the situation will be worse than what everyone wanted. Unless the group has some means of compelling everyone to contribute.

I'd rather live in a society where everyone (including myself) was forced to contribute, than a society in which no one was. Living in a society in which everyone else happens to contribute to the things you'd like, while you don't have to contribute, is not an option that's on the table.

Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by dspillett on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @12:23PM (#15133455)
The key problem with referenda is they put an amount of control of the future into the hands of people who decide on important insurances based on which company gives the best cuddly toy, and give about as much complex thought to political decisions too (so are easily swayed by whoever sqwaks out their atrocious disingenuineness and out-right lies the loudest - not that I'm bitter at all...).
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by KGIII on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @06:38AM (#15131033)
That would make it difficult for minorities and unpopular services. Nobody is going to want their taxes to pay the tax collector's salary, after all.
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by ZeroGravitas on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @07:20AM (#15131184)
One of the many conundrums of modern politics is that the tax collectors could indeed collect more tax if they were better funded, so every tax dollar spent would recoup more than one tax dollar, yet this is resisted by the people who are presumably not currently paying what they should under current laws, and they've convinced people who do pay what they should under current laws, that this is a good thing.
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by KGIII on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @07:39AM (#15131273)
I'd suspect there wouldn't be much funding to provide access to impaired people, either. Most people probably aren't all that interested in paying for things in Braille.

I live in an unincorporated township, with just a few residents. My road would never get plowed or maintained.

Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by mirekrusin on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @10:21AM (#15132330)
I didn't mean total replacement, in some cases it would work better, in other cases what we've got actually works pretty well. I meant some percentage of your tax should be controlled by the taxpayer directly, let's say 1% to start, increasing every 4 years by 1% up to, 20% for example.
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by KGIII on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @12:28PM (#15133495)
I don't think 20% of the budget is capable of being discretionary. If you're really wanting to do so, some government agencies actually accept donations. When I sold my business, I donated to NASA. I couldn't earmark the donation for something like educational outreach as donations have to go into the general fund.
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by danarmak on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @09:49AM (#15132099)
Related: a book Pratchett teased but didn't complete was about tax management: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_Taxes
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by roceasta on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @06:08AM (#15130920)
What's the opposite of a Pratchett novel? If it were a matter of losing this then Pratchett fans and experts would presumably not mourn. However now consider the case of an almost-but-not-quite Pratchett novel. Though this is not-a-Pratchett novel, it is deceptively and misleadingly not-a-Pratchett novel, because it still resembles one. It therefore stands the greatest chance of leading fans down the garden path and distorting the overall body of work.
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by userbinator on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @05:47AM (#15130857)
but on the other hand I am sure that future generations of pratchettologists will mourn the loss.

It might not be a stretch to say that future generations would have the technology to recover the data, if past trends are any indication:

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ancient-scrolls-blacke...

As far as physical destruction goes, this isn't even that extreme.

Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by bitexploder on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @08:35AM (#15131558)
That platter was remarkably intact. You can send broken drives like this to a company. They can recover most of the data. NSA could do it too. If you don't overwrite several times with a random pattern it is recoverable.

Also that drive is old and I am suspicious that is the only copy, or that the novels we're there anyway. Seems likely Pratchett destroyed them already and this was symbolic.

Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by Houshalter on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @07:00AM (#15131117)
By the time we get the technology to do that, we could probably build an AI pratchett that generates great works perfectly within his style and quality. Like that black mirror episode but slightly less creepy.
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by mattkevan on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @07:24AM (#15131206)
Ooh, I wonder what would happen if someone fed all of Pratchett's books into a RNN?

Would it generate new Discworld stories, or would it rip a portal into the Dungeon Dimensions releasing the eldritch horrors that dwell within?

Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by gnode on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @08:24AM (#15131486)
It would produce superficially Pratchett-sounding prose with no coherent plot.
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by LeifCarrotson on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @12:13PM (#15133372)
Presumably, the RNN would be deep enough to recognize that "a coherent plot" is a component of the work on which it's being trained and which it must generate. But not so deep that it generates eldritch horrors.
Re:Terry Pratchett's unfinished novels destroyed by steamroller by OtterCoder on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @07:00PM (#15136843)
That would be a fantastically deep network. Current AI can sometimes keep track of what's going on until the end of the paragraph. A novel's worth of threads to track is simply too much for the naive toss-it-in-a-wood-chipper approach.