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Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by allpratik on Friday August 04, 2017 @05:10PM (#14932305)
ARKit.

Apple has solved few real world AR problems, which were usually hard for an average app developer to get started with. But with ARKit, apple, is "trying" to do the heavy lifting in terms of plane and object recognition etc.

Another thing is the platform of distribution. People will use AR apps, which will hit the app store after September like crazy. And these same people, will be primary audience for Apple headset.

It's like, before releasing headset, Apple is proving people that you really need a headset to overcome the pain of "continuously" moving your phone in the space.

Also, other OS and vendors will follow the trend and release AR compatible phones/hardware early. The only potential pitfall, I see is, battery usage. If it's properly optimised, I think a large AR wave on smartphones is about to hit.

Just my 2 cents!

Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by indescions_2017 on Friday August 04, 2017 @06:45PM (#14932989)
Yeah. It's ARKit. A thousand times over.

For some time I thought the convergence of modern computer vision (including server-side machine learning based object discrimination) and mobile cameras had the potential to create tech indistinguishable from magic. And with Pokemon Go there was a glimpse at the possible consumer demand for the right combination of user interface and compelling content or use case.

But now consider something like "Medical Mixed Reality" following an exponential law of growth into the coming decades. Imagine travelling virtually inside the human body to excise the moribund sections of a liver in vivo with the help of a robotic laser operating on a patient on another continent.

Multiply the potential across verticals. And across platforms like Microsoft HoloLens, Google Tango, MagicLeap and you begin to see how the future will be "mixed"!

Augmented Reality's A-ha Moment:

http://www.madewitharkit.com/post/163454867118/augmented-rea...

Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by hacker_9 on Friday August 04, 2017 @05:36PM (#14932513)
I knew nothing of ARKit until a few days ago when it started popping up on my twitter feed like mad. I have to say the tech literally sells itself because of the eye candy [1]. It finally feels like we are living in the future.

[1] https://twitter.com/madewithARKit

Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by sah2ed on Friday August 04, 2017 @06:01PM (#14932708)
Really cool demos of ARKit there! Makes me pumped for the kind of clever apps that will be built for iOS and optimized for the upcoming iPhone. I especially liked the kitchen measurement demo.
Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by mncharity on Friday August 04, 2017 @07:34PM (#14933247)
Yes, ARKit.

With 3D hand tracking and gesture recognition.[1] When the new Clay SDK releases (RSN?)[2], I expect a new wave of ARKit demos.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa9wgHkIucs&start=43 [2] http://claytheworld.com/news/

Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by tootie on Friday August 04, 2017 @07:31PM (#14933240)
ARKit is impressive, but AR is a solution looking for a problem. I don't foresee it becoming really useful anytime soon.
Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by amelius on Friday August 04, 2017 @06:19PM (#14932842)
Why do you think AR will become a "thing"?

Do people really want to run around wearing glasses/headsets all the time?

If you'd ask me, this idea could just as well end the same way as 3D TV.

Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by jedberg on Friday August 04, 2017 @06:36PM (#14932943)
> Do people really want to run around wearing glasses/headsets all the time?

Absolutely! If I could wear some regular looking glasses that could identify objects, give me directions, etc, I would totally wear them.

I'm really good with faces, in that I can see someone after a long time and know that I know them, but I'm really bad with names, so I can never remember their name. If I could have glasses that looked in my contacts or Facebook or whatever and told me the name of the person I'm looking at, that would help me be less awkward at social gatherings.

Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by Jach on Friday August 04, 2017 @07:09PM (#14933116)
If the glasses can name people from your contacts, it's only one more step to name and recognize everyone it can including strangers, including showing any related info like reddit aliases (known and suspected), reputation in some reputation tracker or even criminal history, favorite alcoholic beverages and other interests to help with dating... enough people don't want that so they'll ban AR devices and punch out people they catch wearing them. This stuff is already going on to varying degrees, but mostly businesses watching people. Getting people watching people and really kicking off AR needs, besides the tech, more assurances that no one can tell you're watching. I agree there wouldn't be much adoption barrier for having to wear hardware, so many people wear glasses and sunglasses and hats all the time anyway, the barrier is just being inconspicuous.
Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by jedberg on Friday August 04, 2017 @07:20PM (#14933186)
At one point there was an Android app that could identify strangers. They nerfed it so that it couldn't do that anymore. I'm sure they could do the same for the glasses.

But yeah, that's why it would have to be real subtle.

Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by valesco on Saturday August 05, 2017 @08:51AM (#14935456)
Wasn't it an app by a Russian guy that looked on the social network for people's name? I think it served as a brilliant demonstration of the current state of privacy.
Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by jroc21 on Saturday August 05, 2017 @01:46AM (#14934395)
This sounds like an amazing idea for a Black Mirror episode
Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by amelius on Friday August 04, 2017 @06:40PM (#14932971)
> that would help me be less awkward at social gatherings

And how do you think the people you are "talking" to feel when you're constantly occupied with your AR glasses? :)

Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by jedberg on Friday August 04, 2017 @07:18PM (#14933178)
Hopefully they would be subtle enough not to be distracting. Like my smart watch. :)
Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by untog on Saturday August 05, 2017 @11:09AM (#14936063)
It's worth pondering why Google Glass totally failed as a consumer product before we get too excited about this.
Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by snewk on Saturday August 05, 2017 @11:53AM (#14936282)
google glass wasn’t really AR the same way that arkit is.

glass was more of a novelty camera you wore on your face. it was extremely unfashionable, and quickly became associated with “people trying to record you” and invasion of privacy in general.

i think if apple releases some kind of headset, it will look more like regular eyewear. it will also unquestionably be for augmented reality. society probably won’t conflate it with someone trying to snap candid shots like glass.

Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by angryasian on Friday August 04, 2017 @06:50PM (#14933011)
ARKit what these guys are talking about isn't even that. Its just holding up your phone. This functionality has been around forever. From Worldlens, to Yelp to the Ikea app. I don't know why all of the sudden its considered "Around the corner"
Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by jonknee on Friday August 04, 2017 @07:49PM (#14933323)
> I don't know why all of the sudden its considered "Around the corner"

Because at the end of the Summer hundreds of millions of users will upgrade to an OS that has the ARKit API built in and developers will have a standard solution that works well. That's with the hardware out now, enhanced AR friendly sensors will probably start shipping on the new iPhone and then in subsequent model years it's anyone's guess.

Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by dave84 on Friday August 04, 2017 @07:18PM (#14933175)
Ubiquity and accessibility. Sure, giant corporations like Ikea and Yelp made AR apps, now every iOS developer can too and there'll be buckets of documentation and tutorials to help them along the way.
Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by angryasian on Saturday August 05, 2017 @12:34AM (#14934249)
layar was an api anyone could have built ar apps with
Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by gcb0 on Saturday August 05, 2017 @07:49AM (#14935293)
and Android 2.2 also had an api. but don't try to argue with people that just watched an apple announcement.
Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by dave84 on Sunday August 06, 2017 @08:27AM (#14941027)
They're different things, but don't try and argue with people on hacker news.
Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by dave84 on Sunday August 06, 2017 @08:20AM (#14941007)
Not markerless, not coupled with a relatively to use 3D api.
Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by robotresearcher on Friday August 04, 2017 @07:30PM (#14933238)
I already wear glasses all the time. Lots of tradespeople wear eye protection all the time.

I don't think I've seen the killer app yet, but if it's awesome, wearing glasses won't be too much of a problem once they become slim and light.

I don't want to carry a big flat phone in my pocket, but its worth it.

Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by forkLding on Friday August 04, 2017 @06:26PM (#14932877)
I think its all about marketing when it comes to convincing people, nobody imagined computer phones and the idea would seem weird then, like why put a computer on your phone.

I think ARKit has potential, Pokemon Go is still big and Snapchat glasses has generated hype among people that don't identify the glasses with AR.

Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by erikpukinskis on Friday August 04, 2017 @08:22PM (#14933475)
I actually think ARkit will be big precisely because it's not a headset. You can just hold it in your hand.

Imagine the Metaverse exists, fully fledged, and there are two products which can access it:

1) A headset that you strap on your head, and you're "inside"

2) A picture frame that you can hold up and look through, and the Metaverse appears on the other side. You can reach behind the frame with your other hand, and it's then inside, and can touch stuff inside

Which will be more popular?

Now, I know a lot of VR enthusiasts are going say #1, but I suspect a lot of people will prefer #2. It has several benefits:

- No nausea

- If freaky shit starts happening, you can just look away or put the device down

- You can keep talking with real world people

- You can look back and forth between the Metaverse and the real world without taking your headset off or performing any kind of switch

- You can still make eye contact with people in the real world

- A bajillion people already have an iPhone

- There's nothing really to learn, the Metaverse is just a new app on your phone, not a whole new interaction paradigm

The downsides are two:

- Less immersive

- One of your hands is taken up

I can see the uses for both devices, but I predict the picture frame gets at least 50% of Metaverse interactions over the next decade, maybe more.

Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by pointedly on Friday August 04, 2017 @10:05PM (#14933853)
Maybe I am misunderstanding your point, but I believe what you are describing is what is referred to as VR (Virtual Reality), not AR (Augmented Reality).

From what I understand, I believe other commenters in this thread refer to AR as a combination of 'real' reality and computer generated overlays. This is opposed to VR where all of reality is generated. So when we talk about AR headsets we're talking about things akin to Google Glass or Microsoft Hololens if you're familiar with these products. In that sense you are never 'inside' AR (with a headset or phone), it simply augments what you currently experience with extra data. With a true AR headset it is still possible to interact with people in the real world, you can turn on/off the extra data easily (since you are still immersed in the real world) and the computer generated overlays fit in with your real surroundings in a way that is simple and intuitive. Granted such a headset does not yet exist, but I believe that is the end goal.

What you describe as 'stepping inside the Metaverse' with no possibility of interacting with the real world is exactly what VR is all about (full immersion). (As an aside, the Metaverse as described in Snow Crash is exactly this: a Virtual Reality.)

As for the headset vs phone debate, personally I believe that the applications of AR in a non-headset configuration will be limited. There are definitely applications for one-off utilities which don't require constant use (ie. don't require gorilla arm), but having it available at all times and transparently via some sort of headset is where I believe it will really be useful.

Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by GuiA on Friday August 04, 2017 @08:38PM (#14933551)
What is the Metaverse and why do I want to go there?
Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by hagridaaron91 on Friday August 04, 2017 @09:37PM (#14933775)
I think there are a few different opinions on this, one is a total emersion world with streets of your own and it's own landscape. See Snow Crash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Crash

Another version would be something like the "darknet" in the book Daemon/Freedom by Daniel Suarez https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom%E2%84%A2

Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by tim333 on Saturday August 05, 2017 @01:36PM (#14936828)
The AR in Pokemon Go is already kind of a thing. 750m app downloads to date.
Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by gordon_freeman on Friday August 04, 2017 @06:00PM (#14932701)
Does anyone know is there something similar to this in Android OS? How Google's plans are to explore the AR space?
Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by arnioxux on Friday August 04, 2017 @06:08PM (#14932761)
Wasn't google tango their solution? (but requires custom android hardware for depth sensor)

https://get.google.com/tango/

I haven't heard anything about them for a few years now.

Visual-inertial SLAM has been working for a few years on mobile phones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7bjsIqlbS0 So there should be plenty of third-party libraries you can use.

Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by phn on Friday August 04, 2017 @06:28PM (#14932887)
The beauty of it is that ARKit also requires somewhat specialized hardware. But since apple controls the hardware as well, they can pull it off much faster than the android eco-system ever will.

They solve the chicken and egg problem, having phones with the needed hardware before the apps/demand even exists.

Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by jesalg on Friday August 04, 2017 @06:25PM (#14932873)
Apple already has the first mover advantage on this. Will be interesting to see how Google/Android will overcome it especially given they don't entirely control the hardware. They should at the very least add the necessary hardware in the next Pixel phone.
Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by kluck on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @01:46AM (#14954786)
As far as I can tell this is not open source. It seems to be a toolkit/framework and is supposed to be the basis of actual applications with focus on augmented reality. I don't think it will become widely used if the developers are not able to inspect its code, especially when the code comes from Apple. They do have a track record of adding hidden "features" one would like to deactivate.
Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by mbesto on Friday August 04, 2017 @06:16PM (#14932823)
ARKit seems like one of those technology breakthroughs that actually has gotten way less hype than you would think, but is legitimately a huge advancement.
Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by dkarl on Friday August 04, 2017 @06:28PM (#14932894)
All the hype I've seen has been about retail applications that consumers are not going to tolerate after the (minimal) novelty wears off, which is why I think it's being mostly ignored. I think the killer apps will be ones that make people better and faster at things they are strongly motivated to be better and faster at and/or are getting paid to do by someone who can buy the hardware and order them to use it.
Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by angryasian on Friday August 04, 2017 @06:53PM (#14933032)
why do you say this ? https://techcrunch.com/2010/12/16/world-lens-translates-word...

World lens has been around since 2010

Layar since 2009

https://techcrunch.com/2009/08/17/layar-proves-the-augmented...

Yelp Monocal in 2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZyOZBqI8FM

ARKit is still the same hold your phone up to do AR. Why is it different now ?

Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by mbesto on Friday August 04, 2017 @11:03PM (#14934006)
> Why is it different now ?

Because it doesn't require hardware and it's incredibly accurate...

Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by angryasian on Saturday August 05, 2017 @12:33AM (#14934244)
it never required hardware it was the same exact implementation. you hold up your phone in a magic window
Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by mercer on Saturday August 05, 2017 @04:29AM (#14934765)
Surely you realize that there's a tremendous difference between on the one hand using solid API's and tools that are baked into the OS (and thus 'installed' on a huge number of people's devices), and on the other hand either building it yourself or relying on yet another app that needs to be installed?

Not to mention execution: my experience with Layar is that it was pretty shit for the most part. Wordlens was cool, but it's not like I can just build an app that uses Wordlens' tech, and even if I could, it would be, well, Word Lens. Not AR in the broader sense.

Everything I've seen from ARKit seems much more solid and much more practically useful than the 'floaty overlay that roughly stays in place' glorified tech demos I mostly see.

Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by angryasian on Saturday August 05, 2017 @12:25PM (#14936462)
we'll have to agree to disagree. These AR kit demos are still apps. When it comes to usability for users they are still holding up their phones and looking through a magic window. Apple users have surprised me before, so I'm not discounting it. If you try the Ikea app everything you state is certainly doable without AR kit. I just don't see it as around the corner or necessarily new and emerging.
Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by paul6987 on Friday August 04, 2017 @06:36PM (#14932941)
I just wish Apple allow devs to built apps into the build in camera vs. having to open tons of apps.

Camera's on all smartphones is the most used app why not make even more useful and fun to use?

Also, wearing any AR or VR headset is a horrible experience. AR needs to be created where it's seen and enjoyed without a headset! It just needs to blend in with daily life sans the need to wear a headset.

Re:Ask HN: What tech that's right around the corner are you ... by bitwize on Friday August 04, 2017 @08:24PM (#14933485)
Agreed. AR, like so many other computing technologies, didn't properly exist until Apple invented it for us.