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Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by pmalynin on Thursday July 06, 2017 @04:09PM (#14713486)
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by sillysaurus3 on Thursday July 06, 2017 @04:17PM (#14713564)
Filld customers pay the lowest price of the three gas stations closest to their location plus a small delivery fee.

For example, if the three gas stations closest to you charge $2.62, $2.55 and $2.67 per gallon, you will pay $2.55. We purchase this pricing data from the Oil Price Indexing Service (OPIS), and we update it regularly.

How do they make money? I wonder how high the delivery fee is.

Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by pdelbarba on Thursday July 06, 2017 @04:20PM (#14713594)
They're not paying the gas station price. They're likely paying bulk prices then just using the local prices as your price.

Edit: $3 for delivery generally and they're using F250 trucks. Call it 1.5t in the bed or about 400 gallons plus tank. They probably have a contract with the local bulk terminal so if you're paying 2.55, they might be paying 30% (no idea what this margin is) less or so. @400 us-gal if they make 30% on the gas plus $3 per 15gal tank, revenue would be in the $380/load range for an average of 26 tanks of gas per load.

Edit2: regarding the loss leader strategy, they still have to truck the gas to the station which adds overhead. By going direct to customer (again, assuming they're loading at the bulk terminal) they remove a couple middlemen who's position they then take.

Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by nilkn on Thursday July 06, 2017 @04:29PM (#14713685)
Gas is actually a loss leader at many/most gas stations. My parents owned a gas station about 10 years ago and one of the reasons they sold it and got out of that business was because competition was so fierce that they had to sell gas at or below the bulk price they paid for it. In other words, they effectively lost a few pennies every time someone bought gas. All profit came from in-store sales of other items.
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by mindslight on Thursday July 06, 2017 @04:53PM (#14713865)
"Bulk price" at a terminal and the true cost of delivering it to the station are going to differ.
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by unclebucknasty on Friday July 07, 2017 @01:11AM (#14716232)
>Gas is actually a loss leader...all profit came from in-store sales

That and the increasing prevalence of electric cars, Uber, and other shifts are why the gas-delivery model will likely be unsuccessful over any reasonable duration.

The idea seems to be moving in the opposite direction as the rest of the world.

Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by joatmon-snoo on Thursday July 06, 2017 @04:41PM (#14713771)
Where in (presumably) the US was this?
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by adventured on Thursday July 06, 2017 @04:50PM (#14713832)
The parent's story is essentially universal in the US and has been for decades.

Almost no convenience stores make money on gasoline, unless they're operating a special setup (the convenience store chain Sheetz for example has tried to build out their own gasoline business to cure this problem). There are a few routine exceptions, usually involving either some kind of rare location (eg right outside an airport exit, usually operating under a special arrangement), or a rare event (something that causes gasoline to be in unusual demand / limited supply).

Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by refurb on Friday July 07, 2017 @08:57AM (#14717951)
When I did the books for a gas station in Canada it was similar. This was a franchise location as well, so they had the parent company buying gas for them.

Profit on gas was measured in cents per liter, with premium giving the best margins. And by best I mean $0.023/L or $0.087/gal.

Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by sillysaurus3 on Thursday July 06, 2017 @04:22PM (#14713609)
Could anyone run the numbers on whether this model is profitable, or whether it's another "use VC money to acquire users" type deal?

EDIT: Looks like they pay anywhere from $18/hr to $22/hr for their delivery people: https://www.comeet.co/jobs/filld/42.00E

Also health, dental, and vision benefits + PTO, FSA, and free lunches. Wow.

Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by pdelbarba on Thursday July 06, 2017 @04:30PM (#14713686)
Just did, check my comment above
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by usrusr on Thursday July 06, 2017 @05:22PM (#14714075)
I don't think that "(no idea what the margin is)" is what OP meant by running the numbers.

Mostly a "pamper early adopters with VC money" operation I think, possibly with a profitability story (that may or may not turn out to be realistic) centered around high real estate value areas: in those places where the ground occupied by a gas pump and its accompanying infrastructure plays a significant role in the local fuel price, using public rights of way for mobile pumps is effectively a value transfer from the public to the pump operator.

Back during the original dotcom, when all anybody could think of was basically a mailorder shop with a website, I joked with friends how a "fuel.com" could be a great parody of contemporary startups and/or a fine participant in the hype wave.

I still think that sending pickup trucks to fill individual cars is stupid, but it's leaps and bounds less stupid than "mailorder fuel" would have been. A nice illustration of the difference between the current breed of VC money sinks and the dotcoms of old.

Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by pdelbarba on Thursday July 06, 2017 @05:34PM (#14714154)
I don't disagree at all. My numbers should be in the ballpark but generous. If someone has more data sources they can link to, fire away.

I think the real takeaway here is that even at ~$400 per 25 cars refueled, it's not a super great market to be in. It's also kind of like starting a printing company during the 21st century (cough cough Vista Print). Yes, there's a sliver of margin to be had with aggressive automation and negotiation but at the end of the day, you'll be out of business in a couple decades when the underlying technology changes, in this case electric cars that can be charged at home.

Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by gambiting on Friday July 07, 2017 @05:13AM (#14717088)
On the other hand, it's likely that petrol stations will begin to close as electric cars become more and more widespread, but until literally no one uses petrol any more(and that will take a very long time) you can always make business by delivering fuel directly(Oh you have a 2010 vintage ICE car and the nearest operating petrol station is 50 miles away? we will bring fuel to you!)
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by deelowe on Thursday July 06, 2017 @04:59PM (#14713907)
There's a lot of speculation in your comment about things that are critical: The price they pay for gas and distribution costs.
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by pdelbarba on Thursday July 06, 2017 @05:25PM (#14714092)
Yea, based on the eia data it should all be ballpark but the calculation is there mostly just to serve as an example. You could shave a little off gas-per-fillup in retrospect because very few people will use 15gal exactly and few new car gas tanks are over 15gal but the $3 service charge balances that out somewhat. Based on the map on their site, it looks like their margins might be slimmer than what I calculated but they succeed by having a lot of customers in a very small area that they serve.
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by dyim on Thursday July 06, 2017 @04:46PM (#14713806)
30% doesn't sound crazy, based on this first-order-approximative data: https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=E...
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by Retric on Thursday July 06, 2017 @08:03PM (#14714963)
That ignores taxes which make up ~30% of retail price depending on the price of oil at the time.

Further, gas stations generally need to pay quite a bit to get gas shipped to them as it's heavy (12 gallons is over 75 pounds), dangerous, and often very far away.

So, cost at the refinery is very misleading.

Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by schnevets on Thursday July 06, 2017 @08:52PM (#14715188)
Manhattan no longer has gas stations south of 12th street, and yet people pay > $400 for a parking space. This sounds like an ideal starting point for a burgeoning delivery service.
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by jessriedel on Friday July 07, 2017 @04:35PM (#14721834)
Ha, this is how I find out they demolished that station at Houston & Lafayette.
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by nbclark on Thursday July 06, 2017 @04:21PM (#14713603)
It says the delivery fee is typically $3. Not sure how they make money...
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by dsfyu404ed on Thursday July 06, 2017 @06:14PM (#14714370)
lots of small deliveries
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by catmanjan on Thursday July 06, 2017 @07:17PM (#14714753)
Even so, they have to pay their own fuel costs...
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by dsfyu404ed on Friday July 07, 2017 @08:00AM (#14717713)
I meant number of vehicles per physical location.

Delivering to a bunch of vehicles on one street or hitting a bunch of vehicles in one lot/garage is better than one fill per location.

It seems like they shouldn't be targeting consumers except as a means to target small businesses and municipal fleets.

Modern fuel pumps are slow compared to the old ones. (Seriously, if you stop at a gas station with the old style pumps it'll blow your mind how fast they are.) Sending someone to put 20gal in a van takes at least 20min assuming a few minutes driving. @ $9/hr that's the same labor cost as a $3 fee. Paying these people to come to you and fill your fleet of vans costs the same but is more convenient and ensures you get the lowest local price.

Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by 0xffff2 on Friday July 07, 2017 @04:15PM (#14721693)
>Delivering to a bunch of vehicles on one street or hitting a bunch of vehicles in one lot/garage is better than one fill per location.

They say that they will deliver to a single area for a single fee. http://www.filld.com/groups/

Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by baybal2 on Saturday July 08, 2017 @04:43AM (#14724675)
Some do intentionally limit the pump power to make refills take longer and increase chance of you buying overpriced snacks on the station
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by LeifCarrotson on Thursday July 06, 2017 @09:14PM (#14715274)
> Delivery fees are typically $3.
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by rubicon33 on Thursday July 06, 2017 @05:19PM (#14714063)
I swear business materialize out of thin air, when someone literally just thinks of them. How else can you explain that it seems like EVERY idea already has an app + business!
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by stephengillie on Thursday July 06, 2017 @05:26PM (#14714101)
It's all been done; everything that is new is old already. Our culture-space has been mined dry.
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by avs733 on Thursday July 06, 2017 @05:52PM (#14714257)
quantum startups.
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by Animats on Thursday July 06, 2017 @04:46PM (#14713801)
Much better than the previous entrant. These people have their trucks placarded ("1203") and run their people through the training required for fuel truck drivers. You really don't want Uber-level drivers driving fuel trucks.
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by criddell on Thursday July 06, 2017 @04:50PM (#14713834)
> You really don't want Uber-level drivers driving fuel trucks.

I bet if it were three cents per fill up cheaper, people would choose Uber-level drivers.

Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by toomuchtodo on Thursday July 06, 2017 @05:08PM (#14713977)
Hence, regulation! Fire marshalls have teeth.
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by criddell on Thursday July 06, 2017 @05:32PM (#14714148)
Given Uber's history, I would guess they would find out where everybody associated with the fire department, police department, county, and state regulators live and then block any deliveries to them or their neighbors.

Fire Marshalls have to catch you before they can use their teeth.

Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by komali2 on Thursday July 06, 2017 @06:06PM (#14714336)
These guys are going to war with mountain view city council as soon as it wakes up. Seems like once a week someone on the council is saying they're gonna "do something" about the private drivers with loads of fuel in the back of their truck, or the fact that airbnb isn't getting taxed. What "something" means and why "something" needs to be done has yet to be clarified.
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by just4themoney on Thursday July 06, 2017 @09:40PM (#14715403)
This actually is kind of an "obvious" idea once you think about it considering that this is exactly what my oil company does. They monitor my oil tank and come fill it when its about half empty and leave the bill on the door and you can optionally keep a credit card on file for autopay if you want.

The convenience factor is really on point, I no longer think about oil at all, its always taken care of.

Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by randlet on Thursday July 06, 2017 @09:54PM (#14715461)
The company I work for does this :) We use cellular & network connections to do remote monitoring of tanks. It can be very valuable service for fuel delivery companies, since they can fill up on an as needed basis rather than driving out to a location only to find they only need to top up 5% of the tank.
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by tonyedgecombe on Friday July 07, 2017 @06:25AM (#14717337)
>I no longer think about oil at all

Which is what they want, or rather they don't want you thinking about phoning round for the best price.

Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by just4themoney on Friday July 07, 2017 @10:35AM (#14718625)
I did that for years (called around) and potentially paying a small markup is totally worth the price of not having to think about oil. Plus, they gave me $150 off for signing up.
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by spapas82 on Thursday July 06, 2017 @04:11PM (#14713512)
There are more similar start ups: http://www.wefuel.com
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by losteverything on Thursday July 06, 2017 @05:58PM (#14714284)
This would be a hit in NJ where you can't pump your own gas
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by bolasanibk on Thursday July 06, 2017 @07:16PM (#14714745)
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by _e on Thursday July 06, 2017 @06:01PM (#14714298)
Did anyone else read this as fill daemon?
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by vanadium on Thursday July 06, 2017 @05:23PM (#14714081)
Yeah, this was on NPR Marketplace the other day. First I'd heard of it.
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by wand3r on Thursday July 06, 2017 @04:27PM (#14713660)
www.tesla.com