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Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by 1ba9115454 on Friday May 12, 2017 @01:51AM (#14321711)
- Any film that wishes to compete in Competition at Cannes will have to commit itself to being distributed in French movie theaters. This new measure will apply from the 2018 edition of the Festival International du Film de Cannes onwards.

Makes sense. I guess they want potential winners to be viewable by the people and not appear to be promoting netflix as the only option.

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by joeblubaugh on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:09AM (#14321774)
However, France also has a law that streaming services can't show a movie until 36 months after theatrical release.
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by thibaut_barrere on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:54AM (#14321958)
The 36 months delay only applies to subscription-based streaming services (recurring "all you can eat" subscriptions, like Netflix).

Movies are available after 4 months for VOD with per-movie payment, and other delays apply depending on the situation (e.g. 10 months for cinema-specific paid TV-channel with partnerships with cinema orgs, etc).

Source: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronologie_des_médias#Disposi...

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by eridius on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:22AM (#14321819)
Why is such a draconian rule enshrined in law?
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by bambax on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:50AM (#14321946)
To protect theaters.

There is this thing in France called "l'exception culturelle" which means not that culture is exceptional, but that cultural products (books and movies essentially) should be exempt from normal (international) competition rules that apply to all other sectors of the economy.

The rationale is that cultural products are "special" and that if they're not protected, they'll vanish and be replaced by American ones that are inferior by nature.

In general terms, the bad consequences of protectionism are twofold:

1. It raises prices for the customer by limiting competition

2. It limits exports, as international partners try to do to your products what you do to theirs (keeping them out of their market)

French cultural products are notoriously difficult to export, for a variety of reasons, one of which being language and another being they're generally of poor quality (I say this as a Frenchman), so problem 2 isn't seen as major (you can't harm exports that you don't have).

And problem 1 isn't big either because everyone benefits from high prices which allow high taxes that further finance the cinema, and no one cares about the end user.

Personally I think this is a bad system that is in large part responsible for the poor quality mentioned above.

That said, rules should apply to all. Just because those rules are bad doesn't mean Netflix or Amazon should be exempt from them. We should change the rules -- but that's, like, hard.

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by SyneRyder on Friday May 12, 2017 @03:45AM (#14322124)
> The rationale is that cultural products are "special" and that if they're not protected, they'll vanish and be replaced by American ones that are inferior by nature.

In fairness to France, other countries have similar laws too. Australia requires TV stations to broadcast 55% Australian-produced TV shows & films during primetime (6pm - midnight). Even 80% of the TV commercials have to be Australian-produced too. But instead of funding lots of culturally significant TV shows, we tend to get repeated news bulletins, low-cost Australian game shows, current affairs shows & soap operas. [Although Neighbours probably counts as culturally significant to Australia.]

http://www.acma.gov.au/Industry/Broadcast/Television/Austral...

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by vacri on Friday May 12, 2017 @11:20AM (#14324754)
If we didn't do that, we'd be completely inundated with American shows flogged off on the cheap. We wouldn't have any local content at all - perhaps not even the news. France has a barrier in that they (proudly) speak a different language, whereas we would just get bargain-basement/afterthought prices for stuff in the same language, no edits required.

Our homegrown tv and movie industry was never going to be high quality though, because we're a small market and we've never really been a particularly literary people. I'm curious as to what kind of show you would consider to be 'culturally significant', though. The only staples that you haven't listed that spring to mind are sports (plenty on TV), panel shows (ditto), documentaries (small market everywhere) and sitcoms. What kind of tv show do you consider 'culturally significant'?

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by SyneRyder on Friday May 12, 2017 @12:14PM (#14325246)
> If we didn't do that, we'd be completely inundated with American shows flogged off on the cheap

Absolutely. I deleted it from my post, but I was going to mention that on non-primary Australian TV stations that don't have the same content restrictions, we get 2 hours of non-stop Big Bang Theory reruns, or endless repeats of Frasier, Sex And The City, Charmed & Becker.

> What kind of tv show do you consider 'culturally significant'?

Glitch is my favorite recent Australian TV show, started on ABC but apparently Season 2 has been sold as a Netflix exclusive. Back in the 90s it would have been shows like Seachange, Frontline, Kath & Kim. Maybe Offspring & Packed To The Rafters are recent equivalents.

(Outside Australia, I'd think of shows like The Bridge, Springfloden, The Killing & Occupied, that have exported Scandinavian culture onto Australian TV.)

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by plehoux on Friday May 12, 2017 @09:25AM (#14323741)
> another being they're generally of poor quality (I say this as a Frenchman)

I'm not a Frenchman, I'm Canadian, and I completely disagree with this, of course this is all about personal taste, but since you use yours to construct your argument I thought I had to contradict.

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by codedokode on Friday May 12, 2017 @06:28AM (#14322766)
But the rule seem to only protect movie theaters (not local film makers) from competing with streaming services. Would not it be better to impose a tax on importing foreign movies?
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by avs733 on Friday May 12, 2017 @01:41PM (#14326046)
There are variants that protect different elements of culture...see for example the strict restrictions around wine production that vary by area.
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by coldtea on Friday May 12, 2017 @10:39AM (#14324299)
>French cultural products are notoriously difficult to export, for a variety of reasons, one of which being language and another being they're generally of poor quality (I say this as a Frenchman)

Compared to the utter crap pop culture the US produces, where every second film is about superheroes in spandex and explosions?

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by shuntress on Friday May 12, 2017 @11:27AM (#14324820)
There are so many other films. It depends on what you classify as 'pop' culture.
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by coldtea on Friday May 12, 2017 @12:25PM (#14325349)
Even the other films are nothing like European films. At best formulaic oscar bait crap.
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by JohnnyConatus on Friday May 12, 2017 @05:03PM (#14327913)
+1
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by baby on Friday May 12, 2017 @05:14AM (#14322462)
> The rationale is that cultural products are "special" and that if they're not protected, they'll vanish and be replaced by American ones that are inferior by nature.

well that's see some bias here.

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by ebalit on Friday May 12, 2017 @08:27AM (#14323360)
The parent is just building a straw-man. There are multiple reasons for the protection of cultural products.

One is that a country should have a lively cultural scene to be interesting to live in. If you lived in a city with a large cultural scene and another one without, you probably see the point.

Another is that a country's culture is a component of its soft power. Not having a lively culture is seen as being culturally under foreign domination.

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by baby on Saturday May 13, 2017 @06:40AM (#14330282)
Totally agree with you.
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by fao_ on Friday May 12, 2017 @08:13AM (#14323267)
You must have stopped reading at that point.
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by vacri on Friday May 12, 2017 @11:23AM (#14324783)
Do you consume foreign-language media often?
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by baby on Saturday May 13, 2017 @06:40AM (#14330280)
all my life
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by DomreiRoam on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:41AM (#14321905)
To protect the movie theater from the TV competition. The wikipedia in French can be found here: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronologie_des_m%C3%A9dias
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by omginternets on Friday May 12, 2017 @09:36AM (#14323822)
Others are (I think) missing the point of your question.

In France, laws are more easily passed and repealed than in, say, the US. Passing a law isn't quite the "enshrinement" one might first imagine.

To wit: laws are passed daily, and they generally have to do with administrative procedures.

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by ensignavenger on Friday May 12, 2017 @04:51PM (#14327817)
In the US, Administrative Laws (regulations) are passed and repealed much easier than legislation. Is there a difference between regulation and legislation in France?
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by omginternets on Friday May 12, 2017 @06:02PM (#14328275)
My point was that there is, essentially, no such distinction.

In fact, there are so many laws being passed for such a large number of things that we've coined a phrase to describe it: legislative inflation.

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by eridius on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:43PM (#14326683)
Huh, ok. Thank you for providing that clarification.
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by wwalser on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:26AM (#14321838)
Regulatory capture.

Is that the right phrase?

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by thaumasiotes on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:33AM (#14321868)
Regulatory capture would usually refer to an industry gaining control of the body that is nominally supposed to regulate it, like if the FCC was captured by broadcasters or the SEC was captured by banks.

Movie production isn't what I would think of as a regulated industry; this seems more like regular lobbying.

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by alexc05 on Friday May 12, 2017 @09:37AM (#14323825)
If you search the definition of regulatory capture you get:

>Regulatory capture is a form of government failure that occurs when a regulatory agency, created to act in the public interest, instead advances the commercial or political concerns of special interest groups that dominate the industry or sector it is charged with regulating.

Specifically in this case however, the "public interest" could be described as the preservation and promotion of French culture. Which in this case, could be argued IS served by the regulation that awards can only be given to the product which shows in French theaters.

Since we'd have to note that it also means that it must pass all relevant French classification regulations.

Now, I'm Canadian and we have a series of laws called "can-con" (which stands for Canadian content) where all licensed broadcasters must show a certain proportion of their shows as approved can-con (based on the proportion of the creative staff who are Canadians). This does have an effect on shoring up the difference in culture. I mean - so - maybe that results in Trailer Park Boys - but come on! That episode where Rush shows up? Pure gold.

I think the requirement to restrict to cinema-only is a bit of a sledgehammer solution but I personally see the point and think it's overall a good thing.

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by james1071 on Friday May 12, 2017 @09:12AM (#14323667)
My guess would be that the film industry in France is good at persuading politicans to pass agreeable laws.
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by wapz on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:38AM (#14321885)
Surely this rule must be that streaming services can't show the movie in france until 36 months after, no? If not, very few hollywood movies would have been shown in france (because almost all of them are on netflix or amazon prime within 36 months)
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by joeblubaugh on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:42AM (#14321907)
Well, yes, of course. France is a small enough market that you might choose to exhibit and then wait, but France is also small enough that you might choose to focus on Sundance instead in order to change the policy.
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by ChicagoBoy11 on Friday May 12, 2017 @10:00AM (#14323985)
Yet isn't this precisely the move which will just accelerate the erosion of the significance of events like Cannes?
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by daveguy on Friday May 12, 2017 @11:09AM (#14324620)
The Grammys went in the opposite direction this year. Opening the competition to streaming only for the first time. Two steps forward one step back. Cannes will come around in the next 5-10 years or become obsolete.

Theatres should be able to show streaming movies. I'm sure they have the tech for it. Licensing and permissions are always a thorny beast for new tech though.

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by xg15 on Friday May 12, 2017 @08:23PM (#14328954)
This sounds kind of strange. It's Netflix itself after all that does not license the movies for anything else than streaming.
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by matt_heimer on Friday May 12, 2017 @11:50AM (#14325026)
It doesn't make sense. This applies to all streaming movies, not just netflix. If you are an independent French film maker and you hoped to start a grassroots movement to get your movie considered for competition at the Cannes by providing it free online then you are out of luck.

This seems to harm others more than Netflix. Does an award nomination or win for a Netflix only movie even have a detectable impact on subscription?

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by gamblor956 on Friday May 12, 2017 @12:40PM (#14325484)
France has a very different movie industry than the US; most theaters are independent in France so their offerings are far more diverse than the average US chain theater. If an indie French filmmaker can't get their film screened in at least one French theater, then quite frankly it's not good enough to be considered for Cannes and probably not even good enough to justify the time spent making it.
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by SomeStupidPoint on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:23AM (#14321825)
How is it better to promote a theater chain than Netflix?
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by jplayer01 on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:25AM (#14321834)
Promoting local business and movie culture instead of a soulless American global firm? France doesn't value capitalism and "freedom" (to destroy all other values) as in the US.
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by chc on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:41AM (#14321904)
It seems strange to say that a company that produces works of art is more soulless and capitalist than a glorified snack bar that shows other people's art to draw customers.
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by alphonsegaston on Friday May 12, 2017 @08:26AM (#14323355)
I don't think it's at all out of context with the functioning of contemporary Capitalism, especially in the United States. The film and tv industry in the US are used incessantly to manufacture desires and new forms of consumption, even setting aside product placements. Critics of Capitalism have observed this since the 1950s:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_industry

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by rakoo on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:48AM (#14321940)
Absolutely not. This is not about small movie clubs struggling against the giant american megacorp; it's movie theaters being angry that Netflix doesn't bring them any money (and the extremely obscure movie sector, that has already been scolded for having shady flows of money such that no one understands what's going on). One party creates and finances movies, the other distributes them. One party is present globally, and as such is relevant to the culture, the other just decided to reduce screening time of european and independent creations to one week only, against previous arrangements. Who participates more to the movie culture?

Another point, streaming-only movies have already been shown in the past but they weren't a problem because they didn't threaten the big movie associations. Netflix completely bypasses them and that suddenly becomes a problem.

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by quadrige on Friday May 12, 2017 @03:13AM (#14322010)
Yes it's also a giant vs small cinemas fight: some cinemas in France have 2 or 3 screens and give access to a very wide selection of films in very isolated parts of France. Netflix's catalog is a pack of shit filled with low-tier comedies from the US, and barely any really independant foreign films. As a platform, they have no point of view on the value of films and no editorial ambitions.
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by Clownshoesms on Friday May 12, 2017 @11:30AM (#14324843)
I agree it's catalog is rubbish, but in Australia there are a great many Bollywood, Nollywood and various other International films influxing lately.

Can't imagine what a mess all this licensing etc is. Such a non-productive waste of time.

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by SomeStupidPoint on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:43AM (#14321916)
It just strikes me as, well, self-defeating to have an international celebration of film confined to your nation's take on it and promoting your local businesses while ignoring major contributors to the medium.

It seems strange to say, "Well, a film must be in a cinema" when that's not how most people watch them. (At least not the vast majority of films they watch in any of the countries I've been in.)

It's not that they banned all soulless corporations producing faux art, they just banned a change in watching habits to prop up an industry with poor value proposition.

Film as a medium is a valuable part of culture; theatres aren't necessarily.

Theatres must offer something over sitting on the couch -- and in the US they have, introducing things like bars and food services.

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by Hasknewbie on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:58AM (#14321968)
Very much this. It's going to reflect poorly on them that an international film festival can be pushed around by a local movie theater lobby.

I especially liked the undertone in some pieces (not Slate) that Netflix is 'exploiting' Cannes to promote its movies, as if that was not the actual point of a festival.

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by vacri on Friday May 12, 2017 @11:33AM (#14324872)
> It seems strange to say, "Well, a film must be in a cinema" when that's not how most people watch them. (At least not the vast majority of films they watch in any of the countries I've been in.)

David Sedaris goes on at length about moving to France and falling in love with the film culture there, where movies are shown in small theatres very cheaply. This was back in 2000, so things may have changed, but he was very clear on the differences between the American and French theater-going experience.

> Film as a medium is a valuable part of culture; theatres aren't necessarily.

You should probably stop calling it 'film', then. Most theatres can still show actual films; few homes can.

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by tripzilch on Thursday May 18, 2017 @01:47PM (#14369379)
"Film" is the UK English word for the US word "movie" (which has a red squiggly because of my English (UK) spell-check). That's all it means.
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by geff82 on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:33AM (#14321867)
Netflix is not soulless, at least some of their self-made offerings are about the most passionate there is.
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by smohare on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:46AM (#14321932)
A movie playing in a theater promotes about as much local business and culture as snake oil promotes health.
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by aub3bhat on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:54AM (#14321955)
Umm yeah it values banning religious attire (not freedom).
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by mattnewton on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:27AM (#14321841)
Ignoring the parent's law about streaming services, it could be though that the chains all compete with each other for the same movies, but Netflix is the only source of made by Netflix movies.

Still seems like many laws and rules about nothing to me.

Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by xg15 on Friday May 12, 2017 @08:21PM (#14328943)
This would promote the business of theaters, not a single chain.
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by james1071 on Friday May 12, 2017 @09:15AM (#14323676)
Better according to you or according to the French?
Re:Cannes Will Ban Streaming-Only Movies from Competition by jclos on Friday May 12, 2017 @08:36AM (#14323415)
They target streaming-only movies, not Netflix. I'm sure if Netflix sold the rights to their movies so that they can be shown in local cinemas they wouldn't have any issue.