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Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by mixedbit on Thursday May 11, 2017 @05:13AM (#14314761)
I was very unhappy to discover that shoes now often have RFIDs built into soles. This + anti-theft RFIDs readers that are already deployed by the entry of most stores can allow to easily assign unique ids to shoppers.
Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by avian on Thursday May 11, 2017 @08:43AM (#14315566)
Most anti-theft tags are not RFID and the gates are not full RFID readers. At least in Europe, vast majority I see are still based on simple resonators that get disabled on checkout. Effectively, the gates only provide a yes/no signal and can't be used for tracking.

Applied Science has a good video on how they work:

https://benkrasnow.blogspot.si/2015/11/how-anti-theft-tags-w...

Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by erjjones on Thursday May 11, 2017 @08:24AM (#14315491)
Retailers also use your MAC address from your phone which is always being published unless you take precautions.

http://lifehacker.com/how-retail-stores-track-you-using-your...

Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by coldcode on Thursday May 11, 2017 @08:56AM (#14315618)
Not on iOS anymore, that value is scrambled on a regular basis.
Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by 0xCMP on Thursday May 11, 2017 @10:31AM (#14316260)
This is super cool. Was there any announcement or documentation for this?

We used a Cisco Meraki router once for a client and rigged it up to know who was in the office (for fun, to be aware that it could be done). It'd be nice to know the iPhone/iPad scramble themselves if possible.

Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by ghostly_s on Thursday May 11, 2017 @04:38PM (#14319290)
Apple made this change in 2014, it was widely reported. [1] Apparently it exists on Android now also, though I don't follow that platform closely.

1. https://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/06/ios8-to-stymie-tracker...

Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by dylz on Thursday May 11, 2017 @07:45PM (#14320424)
Android does the same thing, both announced a while ago
Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by mgberlin on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:29AM (#14316769)
Only if your phone is locked and it is looking for all open wifi networks. If you unlock it or it is connected to a particular wifi network this is not true.
Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by haddr on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:35AM (#14316823)
No necessarily. If you are connected to some wifi and sending/receiving data, your MAC is still visible in the air.
Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by hawski on Thursday May 11, 2017 @05:24AM (#14314799)
Would putting my newly bought shoes into a microwave be a good countermeasure?
Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by i336_ on Thursday May 11, 2017 @06:42AM (#14315079)
I've heard that you can disable RFID readers (not tags, readers) with an appropriately-resonant coil and an EMP circuit.

I'm not sure if the same can be done to tags, but considering the size of the tiny electronics, and the fact that they are manufactured under the assumption they'll never need to be touched (aka, no CMOS spike tolerance), it might be trivially...

...wait. I just remembered about RFID alarm barriers in retail stores.

Well this is annoyingly difficult to discuss, then...

Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by BeniBoy on Thursday May 11, 2017 @07:30AM (#14315246)
Indeed you can, from a disposable camera flash circuit[1]!

Though I concur, might be used for evil purposes, couldn't resist posting this. I just love disposable cameras hacks.

[1]:https://events.ccc.de/congress/2005/static/r/f/i/RFID-Zapper...

Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by i336_ on Thursday May 11, 2017 @07:42AM (#14315297)
Ah, very interesting. Thanks for the link.
Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by phkahler on Thursday May 11, 2017 @07:21AM (#14315218)
>> Well this is annoyingly difficult to discuss, then...

Why? Is there a law against public discussion about how to disable an anti-theft device or something?

Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by i336_ on Thursday May 11, 2017 @07:42AM (#14315294)
Okay, not really - but it can be tricky to know where to draw the line. I guess I was uncertain.
Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by kebman on Thursday May 11, 2017 @08:03AM (#14315381)
I draw the line where actions are taken. A discussion is not an action. Using a device illegally is, like for instance pulling the trigger of a gun with the evil intent of murder, or taking something that isn't yours.
Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by soebbing on Thursday May 11, 2017 @07:33AM (#14315263)
I heard that the "is there a pot on"-impulse of induction cooktops is strong enough to kill RFID-chips without burning them. Have not tried it though.
Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by MichaelMoser123 on Thursday May 11, 2017 @02:23PM (#14318300)
another trick would be to pay for the shoes in cash; in this case they will not be able to link the RFID chip to your real identity. Cash payment is a very privacy friendly technology.
Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by loopdoend on Thursday May 11, 2017 @03:00PM (#14318606)
That's not the point - the point is being identified as an entity by a unique marker that the RFID tag gives off. It's still an anonymous entity, but it can be deanonymized by correlation... with your face via video or whatever.
Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by glubGlub on Thursday May 11, 2017 @05:57AM (#14314915)
Next month: new shoe regulations require the use of materials that melt or burn when microwaved.
Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by TeMPOraL on Thursday May 11, 2017 @06:40AM (#14315066)
Nah, they won't need to push that hard. "Warranty void when microwaved" will most likely be enough.
Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by imgabe on Thursday May 11, 2017 @07:06AM (#14315174)
I've never made a warranty claim for shoes, so that shouldn't be a problem.
Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by TeMPOraL on Thursday May 11, 2017 @07:12AM (#14315191)
Me neither (too lazy for that), but I know they are used and abused by people too. This leads to funny cases I heard of like a company specifying that some shoes are for "walking", not for "running", and refusing to refund them if you admit to running in them.
Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by kebman on Thursday May 11, 2017 @07:56AM (#14315349)
You guys need Norwegian consumer protection...
Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by vsl on Friday May 12, 2017 @05:37AM (#14322550)
As long as it comes bundled with Norwegian famously cruel child "protection" services, thanks but no thanks.
Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by mason240 on Thursday May 11, 2017 @08:41AM (#14315556)
That doesn't sound too unreasonable. Some shoes like heels are made for fashion, not function.
Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by bigiain on Thursday May 11, 2017 @08:20PM (#14320567)
If it's "not unreasonable" for them to reject warranty claims if you run in shoes "not intended for running", does that mean it is reasonable to make a warranty claim on shoes "intended for fashion" if you're not picked up while wearing them?

"Wore these heels to six bars, didn't get hit on once. Please repair or refund."

Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by genmon on Thursday May 11, 2017 @07:50AM (#14315322)
Do you have a source for this? All I can find online is the occasional use of RFID for stock management or the odd marketing campaign. But nothing about customer tracking
Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by askvictor on Thursday May 11, 2017 @07:35AM (#14315268)
Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by libeclipse on Thursday May 11, 2017 @07:44AM (#14315300)
Is there something like this available commercially, or at least a guide on making one with a Pi?

I suppose reading the paper is one option.

EDIT: Link to the paper seems to be broken. Here's the PDF: http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/Publications/Papers/lisa-2006.pdf

Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by bballer on Thursday May 11, 2017 @07:02AM (#14315156)
Pretty sure they already are built into credit cards for this exact purpose.
Re:A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognit... by padraic7a on Thursday May 11, 2017 @09:03AM (#14315659)
Any sources for this?