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Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by sz4kerto on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:33AM (#14308947)
I should say -- tracking people through video and image recognition in a hospital or in a factory is creepy and awesome at the same time. I can't decide just yet.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by laxentasken on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:37AM (#14308971)
"Find me the person who ate the last piece of cake in the fridge."
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:56AM (#14309190)
I've always been baffled at the 'last piece' cult. That piece is no more important than any other piece of the cake. What's with all the emotional baggage surrounding it?
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by froindt on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @12:10PM (#14309315)
My dad frequently eats the last cookie in the box or last piece of cake. He then leaves the container there. It's slightly different than normal "last piece" cult, but really frustrating when you're looking forward to the one piece of cake after you mow the lawn, open the container, and realize there is none left.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by thatwebdude on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @03:11PM (#14310775)
I'm not sure I've ever eaten cake after mowing a lawn. That's an unusual combo; and I've mowed a lot.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by babuskov on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @03:56PM (#14311097)
Agreed.

Last beer though...

Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by froindt on Thursday May 11, 2017 @09:53AM (#14315982)
We would have big problems if he started putting empties back in the fridge.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by oceanswave on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @12:03PM (#14309271)
I agree with you -- in addition, the person to eat the "last piece" has the courage to consume the piece that is both the least fresh and has most possibly been exposed to pathogens from "other piece" eaters.

"First Piece" folks should get more flak as they've destroyed a baked work of art.

Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by drfuchs on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @01:15PM (#14309836)
On the contrary; the first-piece person is taking all the risk of the possibility that the cake was poisoned at the factory or store. Kings had "tasters", after all.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by martijn_himself on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:59AM (#14309223)
I found this is a cultural thing, e.g. from my personal experience it is not regarded nearly as important in the Netherlands as it is in the United Kingdom.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by jcheng on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @02:00PM (#14310192)
Maybe this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_heuristic

AFAIU, when something bad happens to us, we focus our regret on the smallest/nearest action that could have been undone to change the outcome. So in this case, the bad thing being that you wanted a piece and there are none left--it's natural to blame whomever ate the last piece, because it's easier to imagine an alternate reality where the last piece wasn't eaten, than an alternate reality with some earlier piece not being eaten and everybody subsequently encountering a cake with one additional piece.

Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by nindalf on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @04:05PM (#14311158)
Same reason the dude who filmed the Rodney King incident was blamed for the LA Riots. People figured that if he hadn't filmed it, the riots wouldn't have happened.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by UK-AL on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @01:38PM (#14309989)
Errmm, simply the fact if someone had the last piece. You can't have one.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by lightbyte on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @12:57PM (#14309693)
It's because the person complaining likely wanted another piece, but now they can't because it's all gone. The "logical" person to blame would be the person who took the last one.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by smilekzs on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @01:48PM (#14310081)
Because if you still want a piece after the last piece being taken, you'll have to bother yourself with going to the grocery store to grab a whole?
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by drsopp on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @04:33PM (#14311408)
The last pieces will progressively often become more and more important because of a difference between supply and demand.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by paulddraper on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @04:21PM (#14311294)
Because it's more scarce at that point.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by pc86 on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @12:30PM (#14309503)
I think we have bizarrely different definitions of the word "cult."
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by jbigelow76 on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @12:37PM (#14309543)
More like: "Find me the person that stole my lunch from the fridge. The bag was clearly labeled with my name! Come on people, what, are we animals here?!?!"
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by pizzetta on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:54AM (#14309175)
That sounds kind of nice --but this can lead to a very sterile and stifling environment. It has the potential to be overbearing, if abused.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by Analemma_ on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:47AM (#14309101)
"And next time they go into the supply closet, lock them in"
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by orbitingpluto on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:51AM (#14309136)
"And route all supply runs to alternative locations for the next two days. Order cake to be delivered to supply closet in 47 hours."
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by Keyframe on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @12:50PM (#14309637)
"and send out a battle drone after him!"
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by atonse on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:42AM (#14309042)
Yes definitely both (I'm feeling the same).

However, these immediate policy violations are strange to me. As someone who writes software for a lot of field crews, these kinds of exceptions happen _all the time_ and very often they're for explainable reasons. (the guy's hands were busy, he asked his buddy to move the heavy tool).

I'm sure they're aware of this but you have to work in some kind of tolerance to these kinds of compliance violations, because the ultimate goal is increased safety, not finger-wagging.

Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by snomad on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:52AM (#14309152)
Sadly, I bet this goes into employee documentation.

Eg. If an employee has a workplace accident, company distances itself / minimizes cost by citing all your workplace safety violations that were conveniently recorded.

More optimistic use would be for re-training, identifying superstar employees. But saving on lawsuit costs is the big dollar win and probably the motivating factor (In my cynical opinion)

Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by smanatstpete on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:52AM (#14309147)
And I bet any real system would accommodate for the exceptions you mention. However, it makes for a very poor presentation. The presentation here is a marketing device, not a product spec.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by filoleg on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:48AM (#14309108)
I don't think that whoever is using this kind of app is expecting to act on every single "violation". It is just nice and convenient that all of the "violations" are recorded, so that if something goes down, there is a documentation in form of pictures/timestamps to back it all up.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by wang_li on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @12:55PM (#14309673)
Seems to be a pretty useful technology. As a MSFT stock owner it'll be nice to be able to go back to the video and figure out exactly when Nadella made the bad decision. This sort of monitoring and recording will be utilized with CEOs and executives and such, right?
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by filoleg on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @01:53PM (#14310133)
This is about safety, not about making "bad decisions". Do executives risk their lives and health daily? What about someone working with heavy machinery?
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by sixbrx on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @04:03PM (#14311146)
I'm guessing that the buyers will decide for themselves what it will be "about", lacking any privisos about allowed usage in the fine print.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by mgkimsal on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @01:40PM (#14310004)
you move in to selective enforcement. there will be recorded violations of something for pretty much everyone, and only a handful of people will have access to it, and they'll selective enforce as they see fit. but maybe if you do this one little favor for them, they'll look the other way (for a spell).
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by filoleg on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @01:51PM (#14310112)
I mean, that kind of selective enforcement is possible right now as well, cameras have been available for quite a while. I don't think that the technology shown today has added anything important for those who want to powertrip in the way you described.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by s73ver on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @01:14PM (#14309829)
At first? Maybe not. But once you have that kind of power, it's hard to give up.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by AlexeyBrin on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:39AM (#14308997)
Now I start to understand the reference to 1984 and Brave New World from the beginning of the keynote.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by jasonkostempski on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:41AM (#14309023)
It will very quickly go from workplace safety to public safety.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by rv11 on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:48AM (#14309116)
+1 , we wont even know when this boundary get crossed. however I think it inevitable
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by krona on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:46AM (#14309085)
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by pizzetta on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:42AM (#14309041)
I think this has great potential in in the ER and in Surgery to ensure the basics are followed and forgetfulness does not allow for obvious mistakes --but at the same time allow for on the spot decisionmaking for the surgeon when things don't go as planned.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by ticviking on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:44AM (#14309060)
The thing is we have seen that checklists for both actions and communication solve that without creepy big brother shit.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by frik on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @12:03PM (#14309266)
Why Windows must die. For the third time.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/why-windows-must-die-for-the-th...

Was a pretty interesting read today.

Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by asveikau on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @02:10PM (#14310277)
Full of crap.

WinRT/UWP is a toy application framework able to produce no better than toy apps. That is why any Windows application worth using is not "modern". The real story is that today's Microsoft can no longer execute and create something new on the same quality level as Win32 was in the 90s.

Sandboxing has nothing to do with it. You can sandbox win32 and in fact they do when you submit a legacy desktop app to the store.

Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by contextfree on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @07:44PM (#14312761)
Centennial apps aren't really "sandboxed" in the sense that modern apps are - they use the same declarative installer format, but once the app is running it runs as the user with full trust and can party on the user's files and other apps etc. The filesystem and registry virtualization/redirection is for compatibility with the redirection the installer does and helps against accidental damage, but it's not a security feature.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by marsrover on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:39AM (#14308996)
I feel the same way. It will make working in an environment like this a tab bit more stressful, I'm sure.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by tartuffe78 on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:43AM (#14309046)
Not for the children who grew up with the same systems in their schools.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by sz4kerto on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:40AM (#14309008)
However, it feels better than having actual people doing the same (watching you while working).
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by miguelrochefort on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:40AM (#14309012)
It's awesome.
Re:Microsoft Build 2017 [video] by s73ver on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @01:21PM (#14309873)
I guess, as long as you're not working in the department that has this implemented.