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Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by jakub_g on Saturday April 01, 2017 @09:56AM (#14012126)
I noticed the problem on myself on several occasions and kind of invented the same solution.

For example, sometimes I would take a medicament mechanically while doing something else and just a few minutes later, forget if I took it or not. Solution: say loud to myself "I'm taking a pill".

Another: sometimes I'd lend some amount money to a colleague, and a few weeks later I'd have a hard time figuring whether they gave it back, and they too. Solution: I tell them to hit me (or do some other stupid thing) when they give the money back, so we both remember.

Going even further, sometimes I have to set a reminder to myself like "take an umbrella when leaving tomorrow morning because it's gonna be raining". Putting umbrella close to the exit, or doing a phone reminder do not always work, particularly when I'm in a hurry. One thing that works is doing some notable physical disruption in the environment, like putting a can of tomato sauce, upside-down, close to the exit.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by ianamartin on Saturday April 01, 2017 @11:20AM (#14012526)
Ah, yes. The old upside-down-tomato-sauce-can-next-to-the-door-to-remember-my-umbrella trick.

That's always been a classic.

The first couple of times I tried it, it didn't work very well. I was trying to leave in the morning, and I tripped over the can, and I was all, "Who the fuck put a can of tomatoes in front of the door?" And I kicked it out of the way and left without my umbrella.

Then I realized I wasn't going deep enough. You have to open the can of tomatoes and put the open top on the floor. You have to do it fast or it spills.

The next morning, I tripped over the can and knocked it over. And now there was slippery tomatoes all over my floor in front of my door. So of course I slipped in it and fell down, hurting my elbow and head more than I wanted to at that time of the morning.

So at this point, I decided that I could just work from home. After I cleaned up the upside down tomatoes.

The moral of the story is that, no, I didn't remember the umbrella at all. But! I no longer needed it.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by ianamartin on Sunday April 02, 2017 @01:52AM (#14016007)
Wow. This is by far my most highly rated post on hacker news.

I want to clarify that this is utter bullshit, and that I don't actually do this. Well, most of this. I have easier ways of working from home. Like, I put an event on my boss's calendar that says I'm working from home.

And I hate umbrellas. I fucking hate them. If you live in New York City and you use an umbrella, I want you to go home and die right now.

You have no idea of the space that you are taking up with those things. You have no respect for your fellow humans. I hate you. And I don't want to live in this world with you.

Get a little wet. Don't stab me in the eyeball with your stupid, incompetent umbrella that you aren't paying attention to.

I have a little note next to my door that says: don't take the umbrella--It's a jackass thing to do.

Guess what happens. I never take the umbrella. The tomatoes thing was a joke, for those of you who missed it.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by IIAOPSW on Sunday April 02, 2017 @02:39AM (#14016165)
Wow. An umbrella fundamentalist. Is there a law of the internet that for every trivial thing you can find someone with absurdly strong opinions leaving comments about it?
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by Groxx on Sunday April 02, 2017 @02:52AM (#14016204)
>Is there a law of the internet that for every trivial thing you can find someone with absurdly strong opinions leaving comments about it?

There has to be, it's one of the few constants of the internet.

That said: you merely have to experience umbrellas in a high-density environment a couple times before those opinions are the only rational response. Umbrellas are hostile to everyone within reach. (corollary: whenever that number remains at zero, they're perfectly fine)

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by PSeitz on Sunday April 02, 2017 @09:58AM (#14017184)
But it does work in Tokyo, maybe it's the people
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by ianamartin on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @11:39PM (#14039484)
I'm specifically talking about NYC.

It's definitely the people.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by CalRobert on Sunday April 02, 2017 @09:24AM (#14017071)
It's something quite a few people have opinions on; usually in rainy cities with crowded sidewalks. I see very few people using umbrellas in central Dublin, for what it's worth. Most annoying are the tourists who seem to think that it's raining just because it's cloudy, and open their gigantic umbrellas in response.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by ianamartin on Sunday April 02, 2017 @03:10AM (#14016261)
You have no idea how much umbrellas suck on NYC sidewalks. You literally have no clue. They are awful.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by thinnerlizzy on Sunday April 02, 2017 @08:44AM (#14016942)
Golf umbrellas suck. Smaller umbrellas are no more a nuisance than than circumventing slow walking tourists on the street.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by ianamartin on Monday April 03, 2017 @12:49AM (#14020653)
Umbrellamentalist is obviously the most correct word for this.

Walk around Brooklyn on a rainy day. You'll be on my side before you know it.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by davesag on Monday April 03, 2017 @07:23PM (#14028187)
I am so with you regarding umbrellas. I also fucking hate them. Nasty, useless, eye-stabby, bastard things.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by Wildgoose on Monday April 03, 2017 @03:00AM (#14021073)
Preach it brother!

I am 6'5" tall (1.95m) and the number of little old ladies who think nothing of waving their sharp metal umbrella spokes at my eyes and face is untrue.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by corobo on Monday April 03, 2017 @07:20AM (#14021961)
That's some strong thoughts on umbrellas. I like to think of them as a physical indicator of personal space, if you're getting poked in the eye maybe don't get all up in peoples' business so much, respect your fellow humans - But then again I don't live in a city.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by winteriscoming on Monday April 03, 2017 @11:24PM (#14029258)
Reminds me of a Shark Tank episode I saw about "Nubrella"[1]

[1] www.nubrella.com

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by memset on Saturday April 01, 2017 @11:33AM (#14012580)
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by lobster_johnson on Saturday April 01, 2017 @07:35PM (#14014793)
Instead of something elaborate that's taking the place of the thing you want to remember, how about writing a sticky note with "remember the umbrella" on it?
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by mwill on Saturday April 01, 2017 @07:50PM (#14014854)
Yeah ops method seems strangely elaborate. I do something similar but require far less to actually jolt my memory. Usually I just put a shoe upside down on my table, takes a couple of seconds and in the morning I think "Why did I do that? Oh yeah, thats right", has never failed me yet.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by Theodores on Sunday April 02, 2017 @05:34AM (#14016567)
Or just use built in memory. If something is worth remembering then remember it, simple. I do not consider diaries that vital or to-do lists as being anything more than long term storage. It is not the same as knowing what you should be doing that day. For that built in memory does nicely as does having details at hand on a phone.

Regarding the umbrella, if I forgot it then I would be pleased with my brain for filtering that useless requirement out.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by atombender on Sunday April 02, 2017 @08:32AM (#14016908)
In a thread about remembering little things, you're actually advocating that forgetting them is good?

I used an umbrella on my way to work last week. I forgot to bring it home. I was sad because it was raining the next day, too. I was not pleased with my brain for filtering out that arguably useful requirement.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by 7952 on Saturday April 01, 2017 @05:06PM (#14014171)
Why not just put the actual umbrella against the door.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by kbenson on Saturday April 01, 2017 @06:49PM (#14014596)
Because it's wet and gets the floor wet, obviously.

But why not wait until before going to bed, and then put it by the door since it's probably dry by that point?

Because I forget to do that.

Why not do something so you can remember to put it out at night?

Well, I tried this trick I heard about a can of tomatoes...

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by Moru on Saturday April 01, 2017 @08:33PM (#14015002)
You could move to some area that has little rain during the day in the summer and the rest of the year it's snowing or so cold you will directly notice (and regret) if you forget the hat/gloves/coverpants?
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by derefr on Saturday April 01, 2017 @07:03PM (#14014661)
How about "doing something" like "Siri, remind me at 9PM to put out my umbrella"?
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by jakub_g on Saturday April 01, 2017 @05:32PM (#14014294)
The umbrella is just one of potential examples of $thing_to_do. But for me putting umbrella next to the door didn't really work. I'd have to put it on the floor for it to work, and I don't like putting things on the floor - though it's another highly effective solution :)
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by pje on Saturday April 01, 2017 @01:20PM (#14013083)
lol
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by cperciva on Saturday April 01, 2017 @02:11PM (#14013310)
For example, sometimes I would take a medicament mechanically while doing something else and just a few minutes later, forget if I took it or not. Solution: say loud to myself "I'm taking a pill".

My solution for this problem: I have a cron job which sends me an email every morning. If I see that email, I

1. Take a pill out of the bottle and put it on my laptop keyboard

2. Delete the email

3. Eat the pill.

This sequence ensures that even if I crash and lose ephemeral state (err, I mean, get distracted) I can immediately recover by looking at my laptop.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by inopinatus on Saturday April 01, 2017 @09:22PM (#14015173)
I prepare a week of pills in a 14-slot pill case (mon-sun w/AM & PM). This results in a very simple decision: if the pills are present for the current timeslot, take them (with the sole exception of Sunday night post-refill, which is easily checked because the box is full). I also get at-a-glance evidence of any missed dose. When the case is empty on Sunday night, I refill all the slots.

Process requires careful consideration when crossing the international date line, otherwise has proved robust, and does not require a laptop.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by cperciva on Sunday April 02, 2017 @04:03AM (#14016368)
Yeah, I've considered that. But I always have my laptop, whereas a pill case would be an additional thing to bring when I'm travelling.

Obviously for anyone who has gone for more than 24 hours without checking their email in the past 20 years, the tradeoffs might work out differently.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by inopinatus on Sunday April 02, 2017 @04:28AM (#14016411)
It's a rare and exhilarating experience to go without that most basic form of messaging, but I was off the grid completely on a remote shore in Alaska for a week last year. I also cross national borders quite regularly and therefore have contingency plans in case some overzealous/corrupt official decides to separate me from my communication devices.

And of course one is not exempt from natural disasters, or the periodic collapse of civilisations.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by thecrazyone on Saturday April 01, 2017 @03:45PM (#14013782)
This has a serious security flaw.

Reproducing the security flaw:

1. Create a plausible enough distraction 2. Place pill on said keyboard 3. Pharmaceutical intervention Complete!

Perhaps, this is a general flaw in the choosing of a visible, non-access restircted (presuming) place to keep the pill (also no verification if it's the correct pill).

How would you solve this problem?

1. Trivially, restrict access to this place (lock your cabin or something) or use a pill box for which you've the keys 2. Verification of pill - camera surveilance of keyboard(has its own issues lol, perhaps, if angle it such a way that you're not keylogging yourself) - weight sensitive plate on keyboard (mission impossible anyone? :D) - edible hologram on pill - SHA engraving on pill (manual verification becomes is time consuming and is not cool) - encode hash in pill weight: Have a delicate weighing balance, alter the weight of the pill by addition or removal of a neutral substance, program the balance or use an sdk for balance to auto verify this; (note SSH keys required) - Ah! laser engrave a qr code on to pill; laser engraving can be reasonable automated (presumption), verification via smartphone i.e. check the hash or qr code is a shortlink to a verifiable hash (I'm reasonable happy with this solution, moving on)

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by primitivesuave on Saturday April 01, 2017 @06:32PM (#14014537)
QR code on a pill sounds interesting, then you can scan the pill with your smartphone to find out if you've taken it yet.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by animal531 on Monday April 03, 2017 @10:05AM (#14022817)
Future improvement: We can embed the scanner inside the tongue, so it can directly tell you if you're on or off schedule (perhaps by emitting a bitter vs sweet taste).
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by LeonM on Saturday April 01, 2017 @02:19PM (#14013346)
Unless you lose state between step 2 and 3.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by Scaevolus on Saturday April 01, 2017 @02:41PM (#14013460)
Then you're left with a pill on your keyboard and no email, so presumably you're supposed to take it.

If you discover a pill on your keyboard and an email, you should delete the email and take the pill.

I think this ensures at-most-once pharmaceutical delivery, but I haven't investigated formal proofs of Bicameral Generals with memory loss.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by stickfigure on Saturday April 01, 2017 @03:55PM (#14013834)
This can be addressed with a two pill commit protocol.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by cperciva on Saturday April 01, 2017 @04:17PM (#14013938)
This is a two-phase commit protocol already. Placing the pill on my laptop constitutes logging the transaction, so that it is guaranteed to be completed even though it hasn't taken place yet.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by Ezhik on Saturday April 01, 2017 @09:34PM (#14015231)
How can we make the pill transaction atomic?
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by finid on Saturday April 01, 2017 @03:54PM (#14013830)
What if there's a network issue that prevented the email from being sent?
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by cperciva on Saturday April 01, 2017 @04:01PM (#14013860)
Then I notice that I'm not getting any email. The cron job runs on my mail server.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by ceejayoz on Saturday April 01, 2017 @09:25PM (#14015196)
What if it malfunctions and the email gets repeatedly delivered? :-p
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by neohaven on Sunday April 02, 2017 @09:42AM (#14017137)
ahem... A "buffer overflow" is what happens. :P
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by nabla9 on Saturday April 01, 2017 @10:31AM (#14012277)
Vipassana meditation uses naming technique as an aid to maintain constant awareness. You name what you are doing: 'walking'. Alternatively you name things that come up to awareness while meditating: 'thought, thought, frustration, need to scratch nose, .... sadness, thought".

Japanese Soto Zen tradition has short verse for every task you do in monastery. Entering toilet verse etc.

It's easy to lose ones awareness when switching tasks or moving about.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by jeena on Saturday April 01, 2017 @12:09PM (#14012752)
I was at one of those retreets and they told us not to think or concentrate on a special word or phrase because this would distract us, we were supposed to use the breathing if we needed some guidance.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by nabla9 on Saturday April 01, 2017 @12:38PM (#14012926)
Different teachers and traditions use different techniques. Naming is very common in vipassana.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by bhntr3 on Saturday April 01, 2017 @05:34PM (#14014304)
You're getting teased a bit but I think this is a very smart thing to do.

The automatic processes of our brain dominate the majority of our behavior. If you're a deep thinker who often ties up his attentive thread thinking through a tough technical problem or something, you need to prime your automatic process with some surprise that triggers the association.

I think Kahneman's Thinking Fast and Slow does a good job explaining this. But I also like the idea of the "elephant and the rider" from Jonathan Haidt. This quora post (https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-rider-and-the-elephant-met...) gives a nice summary but I highly recommend his book.

Bringing it back to TFA, I think the Japanese as a culture might have a better relationship to the frailty of human rationality. The enlightenment was a great period in Western history but it cemented a belief in the power of reason and the universality of truth.

The Japanese have a longer history of training the mind through repeated action, visualization and behavior. Western cultures just want to power through it with rationality. So, we don't point at stuff repetitively and repeat things out loud to ourselves even if it would save lives. Kind of a bummer.

I dig your upside down tomato can, man.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by lemonberry on Saturday April 01, 2017 @02:40PM (#14013454)
I picked up this nasty habit of leaving the house and feeling compelled to check to make sure the oven and stove top are off.

After years of doing this and feeling silly each time I started checking the oven before I left the house and told myself outloud, "Yes, the oven and stovetop is off". I was surprised how effective this was.

Interesting to read this article today and other's solutions to the same problem.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by Swizec on Saturday April 01, 2017 @03:26PM (#14013684)
I used to be like that about packing before traveling. Nervous that I'd forgotten something I'd keep checking and checking.

With time I learned that (or got more practice) it is unlikely I actually forgot something. Probably I just don't remember packing it. 95% of the time when I fear I didn't pack some silly thing, there it is, in my suitcase,when I arrive. Thank you past Swizec!

A big part of it is also that I always pack my suitcase in the same way and I always put certain things in certain spots. If I am closing the suitcase and the thing is not in its spot, then I stop and put it there.

Especially important for passports and other such documents. Always put it in the same place. If it's not in that place, then it isn't packed.

This reduces the amount of checksuming you have to do.

Oh and all you really need is your passport and your credit card. The rest is replaceable.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by macintux on Saturday April 01, 2017 @07:16PM (#14014720)
> Oh and all you really need is your passport and your credit card. The rest is replaceable.

For some of us, depending on the destination, prescription sunglasses also fall into the category of essentials. Learned that lesson the hard way.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by Swizec on Saturday April 01, 2017 @08:23PM (#14014963)
Oh yeah, that's why those never leave my backpack. And I only have a single glasses case that normal and sun glasses share. One is on my face, the other in my bacpack in the case. Has worked well so far :)
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by xexers on Saturday April 01, 2017 @03:39PM (#14013753)
I do all of that as well. I also use a vacation checklist.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by WalterBright on Saturday April 01, 2017 @04:19PM (#14013954)
It's a common issue, especially if one has a touch of OCD. Your solution is good. Another one is to use a checklist. I ritually go through the house as the last thing before leaving, but it would be better to use an actual written checklist.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by rgacote on Saturday April 01, 2017 @10:22AM (#14012229)
I also ended up instituting a physical task to track my pill taking. Need to take two pills at breakfast and I was always forgetting if I'd already taken them or not. Now, when I sit down to eat I move the pill bottles to the middle of the table. End of the meal, after taking the pills, bottles go back on a shelf at the end of the table. Not only do I no longer forget, more importantly I no longer need to remember, which is one thing off my memory list for the day.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by allannienhuis on Saturday April 01, 2017 @11:24AM (#14012546)
We have a similar solution to the 'did you feed the dog (yet)?' question (twice a day). In the morning after feeding we put the scoop next to the food dish, in the evening after feeding we put it back in the bag. That way either of us can easily tell whether it was done yet, without needing to ask. Works like a charm - the dog used to be able to trick us into feeding him twice but we no longer fall for his puppy-eyed shenanigans. :P
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by specialist on Saturday April 01, 2017 @12:14PM (#14012784)
I've tried a few different pill organizers. Still haven't found the tool that works for me. Too small, too big, too few slots, spray the pills out when popping the lid open, etc.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by jonahx on Saturday April 01, 2017 @03:25PM (#14013677)
> I would take a medicament mechanically

This is not intended obnoxiously, but I assume English is not your first language (though your English is good) and you'd want to know: "medicament" is an incredibly uncommon way to refer to "medication." In fact, the majority of native English speakers would not recognize it.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by bradknowles on Saturday April 01, 2017 @03:57PM (#14013841)
With respect, you figured out what he meant, and then you figured out that he's not a native English speaker.

He probably doesn't need to have that fact pointed out to him.

I'm sure there's a better way you could have given the hint to the correct word for the benefit of others who didn't figure out what he meant, and done so without being condescending to the post you were replying to. Yes?

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by jakub_g on Saturday April 01, 2017 @05:23PM (#14014259)
OP here, no issue, thanks for pointing it out; I even appreciate it, I'm a bit of a grammar nazi myself - but yeah people vary. I think it's ok to post that kind of comments on HN, outside of HN probably less.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by ScottBurson on Saturday April 01, 2017 @10:10PM (#14015377)
The word is somewhat obsolete, but it's definitely a word and you used it correctly. Also, it obviously shares a root with "medication"; someone who doesn't know the word should be able to figure out what it means. I hate to see people discouraged from using interesting, rare words.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by always_good on Saturday April 01, 2017 @05:15PM (#14014229)
Honestly, one thing I like about HN is that these sorts of corrections are made, and made respectfully.

Their post was interesting because they're right: I'm a native English speaker and I paused on "medicament".

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by kbenson on Saturday April 01, 2017 @07:00PM (#14014646)
And yet it's a real word, just an uncommon one, so it's not really a correction, but a recommendation to speak differently presented as a correction. That can be fairly easy to take negatively.

Personally, if I felt compelled to point out that it was uncommon, I would have said "At first I though medicament was a misspelling or autocorrect mistake, but when I looked it up, I found out it's a real word in English, if extremely uncommon. Interesting." That's less assertive in that a mistake was made (because it might have been used for effect), and also true.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by cgriswald on Saturday April 01, 2017 @09:10PM (#14015132)
Your version comes across to me as more negative than how it was originally phrased. You trade a respectful and respectable assertiveness and directness for a passive-aggressive wishy-washiness which protects you from being wrong while simultaneously implying the other party is so tender your words can hurt them.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by unit91 on Sunday April 02, 2017 @01:21AM (#14015925)
Yikes, this is the kind of "feedback" that ends in divorce. I would never understand your version was intended as a correction. To me, this comes across as "thanks for teaching me a new word", and I would think "you're welcome".
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by kbenson on Sunday April 02, 2017 @02:09AM (#14016058)
Because it's not a correction. An important part of what I was trying to say in my actual comment is that one should consider that there might be nothing to correct. In my version, I've conveyed my initial reaction as a point of reference in case that's something they wish to avoid in the future, and then that I discovered I was wrong.

I suspect readings of it in a negative light are because of the context of the current conversation. Otherwise, I'm not sure how something that is essentially "at first I was confused and thought you were wrong, but then I found out I was the one that was wrong" is supposed to be taken negatively.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by danellis on Saturday April 01, 2017 @09:54PM (#14015324)
> Solution: say loud to myself "I'm taking a pill".

Having OCD, I started doing the same when I'd leave the house and needed to be sure that I'd closed the garage door so I didn't think about it all day (otherwise I'd have to drive around the block a couple of times to check it before I could drive to where I was going).

Eventually, "the garage door is closed" just led to me wondering I was remembering saying it a different day, so I'd have to say, "It's Tuesday and the garage door is closed."

Now I have a SmartThings device attached to it so I can check any time. Of course, I worry about it displaying stale data, so I think I'm going to need a live video feed.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by dclowd9901 on Saturday April 01, 2017 @11:55AM (#14012692)
I too do this now, and I learned it from the movie The Long Kiss Goodnight, wherein Samuel L. Jackon's character, in order to remember where he puts things (and as a pretty clever plot device), sings it as he's doing it in a blues riff.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by 13of40 on Saturday April 01, 2017 @10:52AM (#14012392)
Whenever I need to remember to do a one-off thing in the morning, I just leave my car keys next to (or under) something that will remind me. That way I literally can't leave without remembering to do it.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by logotype on Saturday April 01, 2017 @01:56PM (#14013242)
Whenever I need to remember something, I switch my phone wallpaper/lock screen to one of the default ones which I normally don't use. Then I can usually associate what I needed to remember. Works better than writing a note, or adding a reminder/alarm since these notifications is easily missed/ignored.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by dheera on Saturday April 01, 2017 @03:25PM (#14013678)
And then you forget where you put your car keys ...
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by Splines on Saturday April 01, 2017 @07:01PM (#14014654)
I do this too. I always leave my keys and wallet in the same spot.

It majorly screws up my routine if I pick up my wallet to pay for something online and forget to put it back where it belongs, and I can't find it the next day. Or I leave it in the office and the next morning I have to remember I left it in the office, and it's not hiding somewhere at home.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by Moru on Saturday April 01, 2017 @09:09PM (#14015125)
Off topic but check if your bank has e-card for buying things online. The last 20 years I have only used temporary e-cards that are limited to one-time charge and a limited amount of money. No need to worry about your card details being stolen.

Some places like paypal might be hard but I don't use paypal anyway because of all the problems they have caused the people I bought things from. If my e-card is not accepted, I can probably do without the item anyway.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by ThrustVectoring on Sunday April 02, 2017 @09:10AM (#14017020)
I'd suggest memorizing your primary credit card number. You both don't have to remember to put your card back, and you don't have to find it before buying things online.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by dboreham on Saturday April 01, 2017 @12:24PM (#14012851)
"I'm locking the door", "I locked the door", "I'm trying the door now to see if I can open it".
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by Moru on Saturday April 01, 2017 @09:03PM (#14015104)
The third part is more important than some people think. They might believe you have some sort of OCD episode. But teachers often have more understanding about this, after all the tape that ends up covering the lock-bolt hole so it doesn't lock the door properly... :-)
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by cellularmitosis on Sunday April 02, 2017 @01:34AM (#14015961)
I once discovered that a paperclip had been taped to one half of the magnetic door seal of a former employer's NOC. It was up at the top of the door, so it would never normally enter your line-of-sight, so it was very unlikely to be noticed.

After thinking about it for a moment, I put my shoulder into the (locked) door and confirmed my suspicion as to why this had been done: the additional space between the magnets weakens the field just enough that you can ram the door and pop it open, but it doesn't weaken it enough that anyone would ever notice otherwise. Pretty clever!

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by rabboRubble on Saturday April 01, 2017 @05:37PM (#14014320)
Level 23 trick... instead of leaving your umbrella next to the door, leave your house/car keys with your umbrella.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by rukuu001 on Saturday April 01, 2017 @03:47PM (#14013792)
Excellent.

I bar the door with my large umbrella so I can't leave without moving it.

When running laps I keep count by holding my fingers up in front of my face and saying the lap number out loud. It feels weird, but works for me.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by username223 on Saturday April 01, 2017 @03:57PM (#14013837)
For running laps, I use my thumbs as dividers between fingers, which I can do with very little change to typical running form.

For other stuff, this sounds like a great idea that I should try. How many times have I thought "did I remember to lock the car," then walked back to the parking spot?

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by finid on Saturday April 01, 2017 @04:00PM (#14013856)
Well, it's a good thing you did not try to monetize that idea (found a startup), because technology would have rained on your parade...
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by pcurve on Saturday April 01, 2017 @10:15AM (#14012203)
" I tell them to hit me (or do some other stupid thing) when they give the money back, so we both remember."

That is great and clever. I can better understand why pointing system works.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by gist on Saturday April 01, 2017 @02:32PM (#14013413)
> For example, sometimes I would take a medicament mechanically while doing something else and just a few minutes later, forget if I took it or not.

I had a similar problem with locking the office door. I would always question whether I had done it or not since I was on autopilot and not thinking at the end of the day. What finally 'solved' the problem was when I got the other lock on the same door fixed. All of the sudden I had to lock two locks and not one. The act of having to pull out another key and lock that 2nd lock solved the problem for me. My feeling was adding complexity even in a small way was enough to jar me out of autopilot for the task.

I solved the medication issue the same way by announcing I was taking it. (Later I settled for one of those pill containers..)

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by kpwags on Saturday April 01, 2017 @03:01PM (#14013561)
I do something similar when I'm cooking my eggs in the morning. I tell myself that I turned off the stove as I turn it off to help remind me that I turned the stove off. I don't like wondering if I turned it off or not on my way to work...not a good feeling.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by grimoald on Sunday April 02, 2017 @10:27AM (#14017284)
Reminds me how (allegedly) in the middle ages long lasting contracts where made: tell the text of the contract to a kid (better memory than older persons and more likely to survive the next decades) and slap it in the face so that the kid never forgets.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by amptorn on Saturday April 01, 2017 @10:47AM (#14012360)
> I'd lend some amount money to a colleague, and a few weeks later I'd have a hard time figuring whether they gave it back, and they too. Solution:

An I.O.U.?

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by udkl on Saturday April 01, 2017 @11:57AM (#14012702)
Most of these can be done better by using technology. For example use an app to track IOUS .... or simply write down notes on your cell phone.

In the case of the train operators though, technology as it stands now might be a hinderance. Notice from the videos that they go through gestures _rapidly_. Recording the action each time onto a tablet or such would be a hinderance that would only delay.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by Thrillington on Saturday April 01, 2017 @12:07PM (#14012744)
Absolutely not true in my experience.

A cell phone reminder for a one-off is easily missed during my morning routine.

A physical motion and/or out-loud speech associated with the event cements it much more effectively.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by tedajax on Saturday April 01, 2017 @12:25PM (#14012857)
To add to your argument because I agree with you quite a bit:

A post-it stuck on the side of one's monitor seems vastly superior to any sort of app based reminder. It helps that creating the post-it and sticking it somewhere is itself a physical action that is remembered much more than a few taps of a thumb.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by amptorn on Saturday April 01, 2017 @04:06PM (#14013883)
In the case of an I.O.U., the sensible approach is to put the note in your wallet alongside your other banknotes and other things which technically count as, or can be redeemed for, money, like coupons and cards. Ideally the I.O.U. should be written by hand by the person who owes you, so the handwriting serves as authentication.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by kpil on Saturday April 01, 2017 @03:21PM (#14013662)
If only someone could invent monitors that sticky notes actually stucks...
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by Moru on Saturday April 01, 2017 @09:32PM (#14015223)
Someone at work used to have a good portion of the screen covered in notes. In worst case she just used tape to get them to stick but most of them stuck without problem.

(CRT timeframe)

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by sogen on Saturday April 01, 2017 @03:21PM (#14013658)
Yes, destroy the note immediately after or when doing the task.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by tedajax on Monday April 03, 2017 @05:32PM (#14027383)
Also you can keep a "queue" of tasks along the bottom/side of the monitor or maybe it ends up representing some sort of pipeline and before you know it you have your own personal kanban setup.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by buovjaga on Saturday April 01, 2017 @10:35AM (#14012299)
I confirm those "out of place object" reminders work great!
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by HenryBemis on Saturday April 01, 2017 @11:40AM (#14012614)
I prefer to leave/drop everything I need in front of the door. This way, even if I'm in a hurry, the door just won't open without picking up whatever item(s) it is that I need to take with me (paperwork, umbrella, notepad, etc.)
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by WalterBright on Saturday April 01, 2017 @04:21PM (#14013968)
A couple days before going on a trip, I start making a pile of things to take. As I remember things, I add them to the pile. It has reduced the problem of forgetting things.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by a3n on Saturday April 01, 2017 @06:31PM (#14014529)
I wonder how I can use this to remember that yes, I actually have soaped and rinsed in the shower, and I don't have to do it all again just in case.
Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by Splines on Saturday April 01, 2017 @06:59PM (#14014644)
Put things on one side when you get in. When you soap and rinse, move them over.

Alternatively, when you soap and rinse, put them in the way of your exit. When you finish, open the shower curtain, move the stuff that is in the way into its proper place.

Form stateful habits.

Or rub your hair - if it feels greasy, you probably need to shampoo it again.

Re:Why Japan’s Rail Workers Point at Things by jeffdavis on Saturday April 01, 2017 @04:55PM (#14014119)
Why upside down?