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Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by voxic11 on Thursday February 16, 2017 @10:07AM (#13660390)
Yet another reason never to sign up for Facebook.
Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by tom_mellior on Thursday February 16, 2017 @10:15AM (#13660461)
That doesn't necessarily help. Many people have Facebook accounts with names that are not their "real name" as on their ID and plane ticket. If they want to, they'll just claim that you most likely do have an account and you're lying to them, and hold that against you.

If you're a foreigner, there is no way to win this if they are determined to make you lose. US visas as well as the documents for the Visa Waiver program make it clear that even if you do have all that is required, you are not guaranteed entry to the United States. The officer on the border can turn you back on a whim, and you have no legal recourse. Presumably they have some internal controls, but that won't help you in particular.

Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by gregmac on Thursday February 16, 2017 @12:01PM (#13661495)
> Many people have Facebook accounts with names that are not their "real name" as on their ID and plane ticket. If they want to, they'll just claim that you most likely do have an account and you're lying to them, and hold that against you.

There is also a fairly good chance that someone else with your name does have a Facebook account, and I'm not sure how you'd prove that one of them isn't you.

Even worse, someone could create a fake Facebook account with your name and picture, and put some pretty damaging stuff on it. How would you prove to customs that no that really isn't your account, none of the public posts are yours and you really, truly have no way of logging in? It's like Doxing or SWATing taken to the next level, but you could potentially end up in jail.

Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by Raphmedia on Thursday February 16, 2017 @10:13AM (#13660440)
Yet another reason never to enter the USA.
Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by leesalminen on Thursday February 16, 2017 @10:37AM (#13660689)
There's a show on Netflix that follows the Australian immigration cops. They go hard and frequently examine text messages, email, social, etc. for non resident entrants.

If you think this is just the US, you are mistaken.

Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by tom_mellior on Thursday February 16, 2017 @10:52AM (#13660855)
> They go hard and frequently examine text messages, email, social, etc. for non resident entrants.

Interesting. Do they ever find anything that's actually incriminating?

Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by leesalminen on Thursday February 16, 2017 @11:01AM (#13660932)
Normally it's young people entering Australia to work "under the table" and only have a student/tourist visa. They denied entry for this reason very frequently.
Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by tom_mellior on Thursday February 16, 2017 @11:11AM (#13661032)
You mean they actually find emails saying "good luck with your illegal work in Australia on a tourist visa, lol"?
Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by drusepth on Thursday February 16, 2017 @02:50PM (#13662970)
I got a not-quite-as-bad grilling at the UK CBP, where they required me to log into my banking apps and show them my accounts & balances, as well as transaction histories to determine whether I was currently working remotely (and, therefore, would continue "illegally" working remotely while in the country).
Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by prawn on Thursday February 16, 2017 @09:32PM (#13665490)
Decade ago they were doing that in the UK. Showing proof of funds when you arrived.

Had one trip to the US where they asked how much money I was carrying. I said none, just a credit card. They asked if I were planning to work there. I said no, I'll pull money from the debit card as I go. They (presumably) acted puzzled about this.

Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by drusepth on Thursday February 16, 2017 @10:17PM (#13665660)
Proof of funds is one of the three things they apparently still require. I had to show proof of funds (~$1000/month), proof of lodging (airbnb itinerary), and proof of leave (an already-booked plane ticket at the end of my stay).
Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by Raphmedia on Thursday February 16, 2017 @03:26PM (#13663268)
Wait. So if I am a tourist in, let's say, the USA and I keep working remotely on Canadian projects and getting paid in Canadian dollars, do I need a work visa?
Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by drusepth on Thursday February 16, 2017 @03:45PM (#13663416)
Depends on the country. The UK's particularly bad (in my experience and from what I've heard from the digital nomad community) in that they don't like you working remotely at all while visiting, especially if you're staying for any significant amount of time (I'm here for 3 months).

The general rule is "if you make money while in a country, you need a work visa while in that country", but obviously that may be a bit outdated and not take into account remote positions. Many countries can/will fine, blacklist, and deport you if they find out you worked while within the country without a work visa; and it's _those_ people that you need to be able to convince "I'm not taking your jobs away!" to.

I'm a US citizen so I haven't looked into it from your POV, but I do know that a trip to Canada, for example, allows working remotely as long as:

* you work for an American company with no Canadian offices or branches[1],

* you are paid in American dollars, and

* that payment is deposited into an American bank account.

Again, depends on the country you're visiting (and possibly the country you're a resident of), so I'd double check before working on a trip just to be safe.

[1] If your company has branches where you're going, the safest bet is to get them to help arrange the trip. A have a family member that travels a lot on business and has been denied entry to countries while on business trips specifically to train the local branch, because even then it's a delicate situation.

Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by gambiting on Thursday February 16, 2017 @11:46AM (#13661342)
No, but a text saying "we'll see you at work 8am on Monday" as you are entering Australia is probably good enough reason to be denied entry if you have a tourist visa.
Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by tom_mellior on Thursday February 16, 2017 @02:24PM (#13662757)
It probably is, yes. Does that actually happen on this TV show?

(Not sure why I get downvotes but no clear answers to simple yes/no questions.)

Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by leesalminen on Thursday February 16, 2017 @05:15PM (#13664064)
Yes, this exact scenario occurs quite frequently on this Netflix show. It's almost invariably a 20-something working as a server at a restaurant.
Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by ythn on Thursday February 16, 2017 @10:45AM (#13660770)
USA is a surveillance state. Here in UK we are much more progressive and respecting of peoples' privacy /s.
Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by aw3c2 on Thursday February 16, 2017 @10:50AM (#13660838)
USA, Australia, UK, Canada (other comment branch). Sounds like the Five Eyes?
Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by Mikeb85 on Thursday February 16, 2017 @10:34AM (#13660656)
Canada requires this too. I'm sure other countries do as well.
Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by mirimir on Thursday February 16, 2017 @10:19AM (#13660505)
That's unworkable. OK, maybe Facebook. But going without social media is no longer workable. Too much depends on it: family, friends, education, work, etc.

However, what is workable is keeping your social media clean. Compartmentalize anything questionable, anything potentially embarrassing etc, using pseudonyms. And compartmentalize those pseudonyms on separate hardware, and avoid linkage through IP address, activities, interests, friends, etc.

Edit: It's cool to hear from itshoptx and gravypod that it's possible to go without mainstream social media.

Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by itshoptx on Thursday February 16, 2017 @10:33AM (#13660645)
I would respectfully have to disagree with you concerning social media.

- I've been in IT 20 years and have no social media

- I meet my friends in person, since they're all local, save 2, and we prefer to talk or text

- I've never had a potential employer bat and eye or even care that I have zero internet presence. In fact, many have said they prefer it because I'm not distracted whilst at work. Besides, I enjoy being something of an anachronism where this is concerned. Granted, my stance is my own and I encourage others to do what works for them. I have considered that when I travel I may be harassed because the powers that be will assume I am lying since everyone else seems to have social media accounts.

Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by tornadoboy55 on Thursday February 16, 2017 @10:41AM (#13660721)
Your method also only works if you have a small social circle or don't go out much. Good luck planning a big party or trip without a Whatsapp/Telegram/Facebook group chat..
Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by purple-again on Thursday February 16, 2017 @10:54AM (#13660873)
You understand that society did just fine for thousands of years without these things right? Maybe if you are 20 the social norms have changed so drastically that calling someone is unthinkable but I rather doubt that. Certainly for my generation and above ('84) it's not required.
Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by ashark on Thursday February 16, 2017 @11:24AM (#13661158)
We used to have to call[1] several people to organize a gathering/outing, in the distant past of 15 years ago. If someone wasn't home you just had to try again later and/or leave a message, which they would only hear when they got home. Maybe every now and then someone would miss something because of this, though not often. Shockingly, it worked just fine.

[1] from our homes, obviously, since that's where the phone is, unless you were one of the rare high school students carrying a cellphone that had a usable amount of minutes on it, and even then cell call quality was (is...) so crap that you'd prefer your home phone.

Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by drusepth on Thursday February 16, 2017 @02:52PM (#13662992)
While I generally agree with your sentiment, FWIW I'm a 25-year-old and I haven't answered a non-work phone call in several years. If friends/family want to contact me, they can send an IM or leave a voicemail and hope I call voicemail in the next week or two.

I haven't even had the sound/vibrate on my phone turned on for about a year now (which, honestly, is probably the most liberating decision I've made since then), as there's nothing in my life that can't wait however long it is until I check my phone next.

Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by Frondo on Thursday February 16, 2017 @11:33AM (#13661223)
I am pushing 40 and everything is planned on Facebook now. That's the main reason I have an FB account, to keep up with events. The secondary reason is to keep up with conversations people are having on there, at the events they're planning on there.

My social circle is decidedly non-techy, too.

I don't think there is a generalizable rule.

Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by bfuller on Thursday February 16, 2017 @12:19PM (#13661687)
In the past most people never went outside the 20 mile radius where they were born. keeping up with friends around the globe is a lot easier using social media
Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by thunderstrike on Thursday February 16, 2017 @11:38AM (#13661260)
Social norms have drastically changed, but not to that degree.
Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by purple-again on Thursday February 16, 2017 @10:51AM (#13660841)
I'm only 32. I live in a different city than I grew up in which was a different city than I went to school in. I don't use any social media sites (tried google+ but none of my close friends helped it so I left quickly). It's never been an issue. My friends from all three cities made it to my wedding and no one has an issue texting me when a group camping trip is being. planned. It's perfectly workable unless you feel the need to see what everyone is doing everyday, which never appealed to me.
Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by gravypod on Thursday February 16, 2017 @10:25AM (#13660561)
Unless you call hacker news social media then you can definitely do it. I do it. I just call or text the people I care about when I'm thinking of them.

Nothing is needed from social media.

Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by Forbo on Thursday February 16, 2017 @10:32AM (#13660633)
Yes, I love giving in to chilling effects that modify my behavior out of fear of consequences!

Or perhaps a government shouldn't be party to my social life?

Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by gravypod on Thursday February 16, 2017 @02:39PM (#13662886)
> chilling effects that modify my behavior

I never modified my behavior. I just don't like the layout/UX of facebook/twitter.

> out of fear of consequences

This isn't being done for any specific reason, it's just a side effect of my dislike of their UI, management, and moderation.

> Or perhaps a government shouldn't be party to my social life?

If I'm texting, the government has it. I don't know what you are on about.

Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by mirimir on Thursday February 16, 2017 @10:42AM (#13660745)
I don't like it either. But it's irresponsible to counsel people in ways that set them up for suffering. Protesting should be a conscious choice.
Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by rc_bhg on Thursday February 16, 2017 @10:12AM (#13660430)
A fun prank: Create realistic facebook profiles for people you hate, and send links to CBP right before they travel.
Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by zackbrown on Thursday February 16, 2017 @10:56AM (#13660892)
> A fun prank: Create realistic facebook profiles for people you hate, and send links to CBP right before they travel.

During the Chinese cultural revolution in the 1960s, anyone could anonymously post the names of "people they hated" as suspected counter-revolutionaries on public bulletin boards. A "fun prank," maybe, except that many of those reported were executed. [1]

This was contemporary with humans traveling into space. We're not out of the woods today—if anything, technology has raised the stakes.

[1] https://books.google.com/books?id=AfIydrsE6aMC&pg=PA163&lpg=...

Re:What could happen if you refuse to unlock your phone at t... by egman_ekki on Thursday February 16, 2017 @04:18PM (#13663654)
it is illegal to create a profile for someone else, i.e. to impersonate someone: http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2011/11/fake-facebook-profi...