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Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by largehotcoffee on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @12:10PM (#12598853)
I cannot recommend Coinbase at all. I operate an adult comic book publisher and they shutdown our account without notice and blamed the bank they work with (despite the fact that we were not converting our BTC to USD). All support tickets took 3 - 5 days to get a reply and it was always unhelpful.

For a company like ours the whole appeal of Bitcoin is the anonymity, so our readers don't have to worry about buying lewd comics and having it show up on their statements. Coinbase tarnishes what Bitcoin stands for and they do not protect artists/publishers.

Do not use Coinbase.

Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by barmstrong on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @03:27PM (#12600530)
Coinbase CEO here. I think this boils down to a misunderstanding about what our product is.

There are some companies which operate purely in the digital currency world, and never store people's money. They are not regulated businesses. I'm glad these exist (and it sounds like this is what you are looking for) but this is not Coinbase.

Coinbase is an exchange that integrates with the traditional financial system to help people convert their local currency into and out of digital currency. I wrote a post about this here which may help: https://medium.com/the-coinbase-blog/coinbase-is-not-a-walle...

When you say Coinbase tarnishes what Bitcoin stands for, I have to disagree. We are enabling millions of people to get access to digital currency so that it can succeed. We do this successfully by playing by the rules in the existing ecosystem. You may not like these rules, but if you want millions of people to have easy access to digital currency (so that a new economy can develop etc) we are the greatest ally you have on that mission.

One company can't play both roles, of integrating with the existing financial ecosystem, and creating the brave new world that you want to see. That role probably needs to be filled by separate companies.

We are much closer to Stripe and other businesses which don't allow adult businesses either. https://stripe.com/blog/why-some-businesses-arent-allowed

Further reading: https://medium.com/the-coinbase-blog/building-the-bridge-why...

Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by largehotcoffee on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @04:56PM (#12601308)
>playing by the rules in the existing ecosystem

Are you implying that by supporting my business you would not be playing by the rules? If that's what you're saying, you don't seem to be fully aware of the rules. That, or you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the financial ecosystem or somehow believe that a company selling mature content is not "playing by the rules".

My business has a physical store, existing relationships with banks, existing relationships with credit card companies, approval to sell adult comics on Amazon, and even approval to sell with PayPal (yes, they know we sell adult comics). When our customers requested we accept Bitcoin we turned to Coinbase, and you banned our account without providing a reason.

It's ironic, given their history, that PayPal is more accepting of merchants like myself than your company.

This is why I chose to speak up.

You may be an ally to the big banks, but you are not an ally to small businesses or consumers.

Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by barmstrong on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @06:06PM (#12601725)
There are many banks with many rules out there. Paypal may be in a different negotiating position than we are. Believe me, I'd love to support all legal businesses (including yours). Sorry we couldn't get there yet - we may be able to eventually.
Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by largehotcoffee on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @06:19PM (#12601801)
That was a good response! I hope you get there too.
Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by CyberDildonics on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @04:05PM (#12600860)
I've had and heard somewhat similar experiences as the person you are replying to. Buying? No problem. Selling? An error, but only once you go the actual page to do it. No notification on the main accounts pages and no information with the error. Just something like 'there is a problem please contact support' (which of course means waiting a couple of business days).

If I want terrible, uninformed, opaque service only when it is convenient for the other party, I can already get that at every bank I've ever dealt with.

You could be better than that, but it is hard to believe that that is what you are trying to do.

From your link: "As a result, the decision to support a business is not solely up to Stripe; it involves the various financial companies in the credit card processing chain. Their restrictions tend to be broad and, as a result, often pretty confusing."

You don't deal with visa/mastercard payment network companies do you? If not, how can you have the same rationalizations as Stripe? And of course if you share the same problems as credit card companies (of which there are SO many), what problems are you solving?

Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by barmstrong on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @06:08PM (#12601737)
https://medium.com/the-coinbase-blog/building-the-bridge-why...

We do deal with visa/mastercard networks. They have rules, as do other financial institutions we work with.

Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by MichaelBurge on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @04:57PM (#12601311)
I notice that BitPay - a Coinbase competitor - seems to be able to interact with the US banking system, accepts Bitcoin, and allows adult content(they made a deal with Verotel, for example).

Is it just that payment processing is an easier problem than storing money and acting as an exchange? So perhaps Coinbase's larger scope comes with more restrictions?

Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by tluyben2 on Thursday September 29, 2016 @01:25AM (#12603443)
I know your pain, but that said; you don't have to be 'another Paypal' by being a bastard about things; fast response and explaining why you do the things you do instead of just closing an account and saying 'rules blah' when being publicly (on HN) (and yes, I am aware of the scheme rules, hence I know your pain, but explaining yourself will keep people happy, hiding behind banking & scheme rules with unhelpful canned responses does not) outed for what you did is not acceptable in this day and age. Paypal is hated by many for this behavior, as is Google. Why do you want to join those ranks instead of explaining things like you did here?
Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by ActsJuvenile on Thursday September 29, 2016 @04:43PM (#12608618)
Your verification system is completely broken Brian. All my attempts to verify for past two years give "Unknown error". Any attempt to upload a new ID goes back to main screen.

I am exhausted from waiting for a reply from your helpdesk: they just send the same canned reply, when this might be a code bug in your verification workflow.

On a side note, you have raised 100mm+ from VC. How do you ever hope to deliver these VCs a profit? Is Coinbase going to be a write down for these VC funds?

Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by sushid on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @05:54PM (#12601657)
I cannot recommend it on good faith either. I've had confirmed ETH tractions (20+) simply not show up on my account due to an "error." Not "pending," but straight up not there. Mind you, this was worth around 2-3k USD and I've transferred coins back and forth from the same addresses before.

I had to add up all the transactions from their logs to figure out they made the mistake on their end. I got it all resolved but to have cryptocurrency transactions disappear after it's been registered?? Just boggles my mind as to how this could have happened.

Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by gnarbarian on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @12:29PM (#12599010)
From a consumer side I've used coinbase because of its great website and simplicity compared to alternatives I saw when I signed up a year ago. It offered a polished interface that helped me feel more comfortable about purchasing Bitcoin and making exchanges.

I understand that many of these qualities are somewhat superficial when it comes to security and reliable service. What competing companies out there do a better job in your experience?

Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by sidko on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @01:10PM (#12599392)
There are horror stories on the consumer side too. Multiple withdrawals when only one was instructed, delays in getting money after a buy/sell, locking people out of their accounts still with Bitcoin in them without providing a reason, canceled buy orders during a volatile market, and what not.

r/bitcoin is littered with such user complaints. It is sad that the best way to get support on Coinbase issues is to go on reddit to complain.

Many people have moved to Circle for a smoother consumer experience.

p.s. no relation to either Coinbase or Circle except as a consumer.

Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by MichaelGG on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @01:47PM (#12599709)
Coinbase blocked my personal account, holding my Bitcoin until I provided photo ID. Just to get access to my money already purchased.

Then they incorrectly decided my immigration status and removed my bank connection.

I closed my account and asked for my inappropriately obtained information to be deleted. They refused to "protect" me from "identity theft". Screw them.

Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by beaner on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @01:15PM (#12599433)
r/bitcoin also has a vendetta against Coinbase because they're for a blocksize increase. That forum is actually incredibly childish (just read the comments). You don't find the same concentration of complaints in other cryptocurrency reddits, and r/bitcoin definitely is not the only one or the most important.
Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by barmstrong on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @06:10PM (#12601755)
Coinbase CEO here. This is (sadly) quite accurate.

The other reason you see so many complaints there is that there are many scammers trying to buy digital currency with stolen credentials, and a common scammer tactic is to appear angry (via support channels, or any public forum) in the hopes that we will approve their purchase.

Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by homero on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @07:46PM (#12602254)
Nah you're just too busy pumping ethereum
Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by selestify on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @01:44PM (#12599683)
Which is the most important?
Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by jboggan on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @01:53PM (#12599752)
"Multiple withdrawal when only one was instructed" - I believe this was because they were using MongoDB in the early days for financial transactions.
Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by bkolobara on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @02:16PM (#12599928)
Happened to me 2 weeks ago. I got a call from my bank asking for approval to send back the duplicate transfer after one week. For a second I hoped they will not notice :) After this I don't trust them to handle my money anymore.
Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by 0xmohit on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @02:16PM (#12599925)
Quoting from circle.com:

  No fees to move money, and no limits on how much you send or
  receive each week using your Circle account.
Naive question: how do they make money?
Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by aianus on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @02:42PM (#12600153)
Bid/ask spread on the price of selling/buying bitcoin for dollars.
Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by 0xmohit on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @04:28PM (#12601069)
And what's the spread like? Fixed or otherwise?
Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by rhizome on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @06:39PM (#12601932)
Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by miend on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @01:43PM (#12599670)
Very easy to use Circle to purchase bitcoin with a regular card, then move that bitcoin to your own external wallet. I can recommend this as a smooth experience.
Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by mr337 on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @12:45PM (#12599161)
I have heard of really bad horror stories on the merchant side.

While on the consumer this its great, if the merchant side is horrid, you can bet it will hurt the adoption of bitcoin.

Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by davef1 on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @03:14PM (#12600423)
Coinbase employee here. We're providing the bridge between finance 1.0 (e.g. banks) and finance 2.0. This means we're subject to requirements of the banking partners we work with and can only support merchants within their comfort level.

Unfortunately there are times when we would like to support a merchant but can't, but its a hard thing to keep the bridge open. You can read more here: https://medium.com/the-coinbase-blog/building-the-bridge-why...

Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by ActsJuvenile on Thursday September 29, 2016 @04:44PM (#12608627)
Your verification system is completely broken Dave. All my attempts to verify for past two years give "Unknown error". Any attempt to upload a new ID goes back to main screen.

I am exhausted from waiting for a reply from your helpdesk: they just send the same canned reply, when this might be a code bug in your verification workflow.

Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by ceejayoz on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @12:46PM (#12599172)
I doubt it matters to Coinbase's bank whether or not you're converting to USD.
Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by onion2k on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @02:26PM (#12600030)
If customers are paying BTC in to a Coinbase account, and the account holder is removing the coins as BTC, then why would the bank's policies impact anything? It's understandable, because (presumably) financial regulations mean Coinbase can't offer a "no USD withdrawal" account that doesn't have the link to the bank, but it's a shame too.
Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by ceejayoz on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @02:45PM (#12600186)
I'm certain there's a contract provision involved along the lines of "We will only provide banking services to you if you agree not to engage in or serve customers who engage in our prohibited industries in any manner."
Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by gennata on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @07:52PM (#12602283)
I find it odd how in all these first employees articles they are all investors now. Would you want to raise from someone who just happened to be a first employee??
Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by nikanj on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @10:43PM (#12602969)
First employees have an excellent vantage point to the growth of the company, and are bound to learn tons about running a company.

I would gladly raise from someone who's gone through the gauntlet, as opposed to someone who won the birth lottery and is investing money from the bank of mom and dad.

Re:Employee #1: Coinbase by Ar-Curunir on Wednesday September 28, 2016 @07:32PM (#12602183)
Just so you know, Bitcoin doesn't provide strong anonymity either way.