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Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by xenadu02 on Monday September 19, 2016 @08:34PM (#12535993)
> "As a PST file or exported MSG files, this could be done though, yes? > The issue is that these emails involve the private email address of someone you'd recognize, and we're trying to replace it with a placeholder address as to not expose it."

From the way it reads it looks like he is asking how to bulk remove an email address from the archived messages so when they are turned over they don't contain the redacted email address.

I assume it would be embarrassing and/or problematic to share the email addresses of various ambassadors and other government officials in public records. You could also read something nefarious into it if you want.

This whole fishing expedition is hilarious and transparently political. The Bush administration ran private email servers to avoid FOIA requests, then nuked millions of saved emails when his term was up to avoid handing them over. I didn't see any huge circus or massive outcry about that.

The idea that we should be able to immediately read all the correspondence written by any public official also seems silly... it just encourages public officials not to use email. People are allowed to have private conversations. A reasonable compromise might be a time limit... say emails are held sealed for X years after leaving office, then made public?

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by danso on Monday September 19, 2016 @08:40PM (#12536019)
The removal of private email addresses should be left to the State Department who was in charge of releasing those emails. In the emails released so far, Clinton's actual address has been removed from the To: field (physically, as in it was whited-out) as is at least one name from the From: field

http://graphics.wsj.com/hillary-clinton-email-documents/pdfs...

But I could see this as a result of incompetency, that is, the IT person didn't realize that it's not up to him to redact addresses, the State Dept. could do it. I know that sounds naive but we're talking about an IT person who posted this question on Reddit using an account easily connected to him, so, incompetency is inherent in the scenario.

edit: Apparently, there is a Slashdot user named "StoneTear" who has been posting since 2002 and has made reference about working in government and knows about their data retention policies. So that mostly rules out the possibility of IT-guy-is-just-the-Senator's-nephew-in-law-who-got-asked-because-to-do-IT-because-no-one-else-was-around:

https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/09/19/2239234/computer-sp...

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by cookiecaper on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @01:24AM (#12537267)
I think people are being way too harsh on this guy. Most people make a habit of using the same username everywhere and it's not a problem until there's a sudden national interest in every cat photo they've commented on.

2 years ago it wasn't even clear that HRC would run, let alone that her emails would become such a large and specifically scrutinized aspect of the campaign. Yes, it would've been better if Combetta had the foresight to avoid this sticky situation, but I don't think it's reasonable to claim he's incompetent because of this quite unusual confluence of events.

His two mistakes were using a known username and calling attention to how "VIP" his VIP was. Some people will say the only purpose for the latter is to brag, but I disagree. People on online forums are frequently both hostile and caustic. A likely response to his question would be "Tell them you can't do that". Combetta's emphasis on the VIP's stature was a pre-emptive attempt to get the help he needed without bickering about whether or not he had authority to shut down the request. Since that was obviously not on the table for a sysadmin trying to earn a living, he needed to make it clear that he was dealing with orders originating from well above his pay grade.

People will also say Combetta should've known this was illegal, which I think is silly too. HRC is a laywer. Everyone in politics is a lawyer. There is no intrinsic moral compass around email retention policies, and even if you say "Hmm, that doesn't sound fair", well, we all know that the law isn't perfect -- unfair doesn't make it illegal per se, and none of us would be employed if we had the full moral latitude we'd like to decline employer requests (for example, there's a good argument that modern marketing as an industry has deep moral flaws, but how many companies can afford not to market themselves? There's a lowest-common-denominator factor that drags everyone down. The option becomes indigence or compromise, accepting that everything is not necessarily as we'd like it to be).

If your client is a bunch of lawyers, and you're an IT guy (not a lawyer), and you work for a contracting firm that treats this like a legit request, you're going to assume that what they're asking is legal. Unless something is fundamentally and blatantly immoral (and I don't believe specific sniggles over email retention laws are), I don't think he should be blamed for complying with the directives issued by his clients and allowed by his firm.

This is an embarrassing time for Combetta, to be sure. Let's not unjustifiably heap it on. As far as I'm concerned, he should be fully covered by respondeat superior.

I say all this as someone who is probably going to vote for Trump and thinks that HRC should be prosecuted.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by DanielBMarkham on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @04:00AM (#12537912)
Bias disclaimer: I'm voting third party, so a pox on all of their houses.

I can't help but fret, however, over how lame Congress has become in the last few decades. Congress is a separate but equal part of the government. In fact, if push came to shove, they're the ones who are supposed to have all the power. Congress can pick and fire a president under extreme circumstances. The president can't do the same with Congress.

But whether it's this fishing expedition or oversight of the intelligence community, Congress is missing in action and/or impotent. They serve subpoenas. Sometimes the people show up, sometimes they don't. They request evidence. Sometimes they get it, sometimes not. Sometime it takes years and they only get a little bit. Nothing happens.

If the Congress is conducting an investigation, even the idiotic political investigations they seem so good at, this is the government that is asking questions. People should be going to jail and/or disbarred for the types of shenanigans that regularly go on. But nope. It seems all too easy to say, well, it's just Congress, you know? Nobody takes any of that stuff seriously, right?

In the 1970s the Church Committee took apart the national intelligence apparatus and tried to fix a lot of problems. I don't see this Congress or any future ones being able to investigate and improve their own parking garage, much less anything of any national significance.

If your Congressperson is doing silly political stuff? Fire them and elect somebody else. But don't make the institution itself a politically powerless charade of a legislative body. That destroys a much-needed error-correcting mechanism.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by mozumder on Monday September 19, 2016 @10:14PM (#12536505)
> The removal of private email addresses should be left to the State Department who was in charge of releasing those emails.

Only for her work email account.

This is her personal email account that they requested to release, but it isn't under their control.

Employers aren't supposed to be able to control one's private email account.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by danso on Monday September 19, 2016 @10:35PM (#12536592)
Yep, but it became under their jurisdiction when it was discovered that she did government business via the private server. There are various different reasons why (and when) her email was requested by investigators. If I'm not mistaken, the existence of Clinton's private server was alluded to when Guccifer 1.0 hacked Sidney Blumenthal's emails, which included memos to her private address:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/sidney-blumenthal/hacker...

In an unrelated tangent, when the Secretary of State's original search found few emails involving Clinton's ostensible state.gov address, a Tumblr meme (which was in support of Clinton) caught someone's eye who then inquired how Clinton was sending messages if they weren't showing up on her state.gov account: http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/06/hillar...

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by mozumder on Monday September 19, 2016 @10:49PM (#12536640)
> Yep, but it became under their jurisdiction when it was discovered that she did government business via the private server.

No, it didn't.

It's still her private email account. They can request nicely to see them, but they can't forcibly see them without a warrant.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by danso on Monday September 19, 2016 @10:53PM (#12536657)
Maybe you should tell the State Department that:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/0801b24d47274f0fac60beedc5f2e...

^ Former Secretary Hillary Clinton failed to turn over a copy of a key message involving problems caused by her use of a private homebrew email server, the State Department confirmed Thursday...The email was not among the tens of thousands of emails Clinton turned over to the agency in response to public records lawsuits seeking copies of her official correspondence. Abedin, who also used a private account on Clinton's server, provided a copy from her own inbox after the State Department asked her to return any work-related emails.

The State Department did not get a warrant before asking Clinton and her staff to turn over emails that went through Clinton's server.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by snowwrestler on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @01:19AM (#12537244)
> The State Department did not get a warrant before asking Clinton and her staff to turn over emails that went through Clinton's server.

Only emails related to official business. The distinction is crucial to these questions of law, but is consistently forgotten or elided, even by this Hill article.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by ars on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @02:41AM (#12537604)
> Only emails related to official business. The distinction is crucial to these questions of law, but is consistently forgotten or elided, even by this Hill article.

It's not forgotten. No one believes her. (Except maybe you.)

She deleted the personal emails. Who does that? At most you don't turn them over, and then store them somewhere. Hard disks are cheap.

But no, she deleted them, making 100% sure no one could ever dispute her.

And I seem to remember an official email she did not disclose being discovered when the other person in the email disclosed it. So she is known to have withheld official emails.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by snowwrestler on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @09:12AM (#12539228)
Deleting personal emails is common and legal, even for the Secretary of State.

You're essentially arguing that a person who desires privacy is therefore suspicious. I would hope that folks here on HN recognize that's a bullshit argument.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by mkohlmyr on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @11:46AM (#12540406)
Not quite.

His argument is that she had the option to achieve privacy (by complying with the request and simply keeping her private emails). Instead they decided to not let anyone ever have the possibility to verify if she complied.

She chose to achieve privacy by making any future investigation impossible.

Is it legal? I guess, assuming she told the truth (and made no mistakes) about which emails were relevant. But personally I would like to hold people in office to a higher transparency and ethics standard than "strictly legal".

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by snowwrestler on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @12:43PM (#12540886)
If I came on here and said that Google should keep a copy of every email ever written or received in Gmail, just in case the police wanted to look at it later, how many folks here would think that is a good privacy policy? I'd guess not many. But that is what you're suggesting Clinton should have done with her personal email.

If a piece of information is stored so that it can be given to someone else later, that's not really very private. Privacy means the right to keep things away from others, and it includes the right to delete things.

Now maybe you want to argue that certain public officials should not permitted to have privacy while they are in office. That's fine, make that argument, but it's not the state of things now, legally or culturally.

And consider that there might be unintended consequences. It might deter some great people from considering public service. And it might put a hole in the legal concept of privacy that others will try to widen later.

I would argue that if we're going to be serious about legally protecting privacy, we need to be consistent. "Protect privacy, except for politicians I don't like" is not a particularly strong legal framework.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by mkohlmyr on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @06:12AM (#12546808)
You're bordering on the absurd here.

I don't even need to argue that certain public officials should not be permitted to have privacy while in office. She has a right to privacy. I am not arguing she doesn't.

I am arguing she made a series of poor choices that led to a situation where the only way she can live up to the standards we should expect from a public official (a verifiable paper trail for business pertaining to office) is by keeping a record of her private communications as well.

This is why you don't use your private email address for official business. If you want privacy while in office you don't use your private email server for official business. You aren't supposed to anyway. It's very simple and very reasonable.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by ars on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @02:26AM (#12545863)
The problem is you are taking her word for it. I think she's a liar, and her actions just reinforce that.

I do NOT demand she hand over personal email! No. Only that she make it possible for a 3rd party to sort her emails into private/public.

She has the right to delete personal email - but only if it's actually personal, and I don't trust her to be the one to decide that.

She brought this on herself by mixing them in the first place. Want to maintain your privacy when you know you job requires publicity? Keep your public and private lives separate. She chose not to.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by oh_sigh on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @11:48AM (#12540425)
We all agree with that. OP was saying that she deleted more than just personal emails - she deleted work emails as well.
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by mozumder on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @02:51AM (#12537654)
It's fine that she deleted her personal emails. Everyone does that.

No one really cares about this issue except the House Republicans. They really are trying their hardest to figure out something here, but are obviously coming up empty. It just makes them look foolish.

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Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by imron on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @04:42PM (#12543206)
Please stay away from weight rooms, swimming pools, and avoid running alone at night.
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Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by sctb on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @03:56PM (#12542789)
We've asked you to please comment civilly and substantively or not at all, and now you've added personal attacks. We ban accounts that continue to post this way.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by gozur88 on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @12:13AM (#12537008)
This is wrong, as a matter of law. It doesn't matter who set up the email account - any emails you generate as part of official business are official records. They're government property.
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by snowwrestler on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @01:14AM (#12537229)
> any emails you generate as part of official business are official records. They're government property.

But not personal emails.

Read the Hill article very carefully and see if it identifies whether we're talking about official business or personal. It doesn't.

The House GOP is careful to avoid making that distinction, because their goal is to feed a sense of impropriety--a goal which seems to be well-met here on HN, judging by the comments.

But the distinction matters, it does exist in law, and it is based on content and parties, not servers. Sending official State business email from a server does not automatically expose the full content of that server to federal record-keeping laws.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by gozur88 on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @04:41AM (#12538027)
>But not personal emails.

That's true.

>The House GOP is careful to avoid making that distinction, because their goal is to feed a sense of impropriety--a goal which seems to be well-met here on HN, judging by the comments.

No, the sense of impropriety was fed by Hillary Clinton herself when she turned over a tiny fraction of emails relating to official business and then destroyed the rest so nobody could ever retrieve them.

Honestly, that people can't see, by now, after the cattle futures, after the Rose Law documents, after the Clinton Foundation, after the destroyed emails, that this woman is crooked... I can't help but be amazed.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by snowwrestler on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @10:34AM (#12539812)
Again, to make this perfectly clear: she was only required to turn over official business emails. And was legally permitted to do what she wanted with her personal emails, including delete them.

It is nonsensical to say that following the law implies impropriety.

On top of this, the FBI recovered and reviewed many of the emails that she deleted, and did not find anything damning. They declined to recommend a prosecution.

Setting aside the politics of "it's Hillary Clinton and she's running for president," there is no evidence that she tried to break the law, or succeeded in doing so.

The evidence shows that she wanted some privacy, and even Hillary Clinton is entitled to that under the law.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by gozur88 on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @04:21PM (#12543016)
>Again, to make this perfectly clear: she was only required to turn over official business emails.

Again, to make this perfectly clear: she was required to turn over official business emails and she omitted thousands of them. She deleted the ones she didn't turn over and had the server purged.

It takes a lot of chutzpah to set up a server such that your personal email is intermingled with official government communications and then claim you're the only person who can go through that server looking for official email that shouldn't have been there.

>The evidence shows that she wanted some privacy, and even Hillary Clinton is entitled to that under the law.

People try to use privacy rights to cover criminal activity on a regular basis. That's why we have subpoenas and laws against destruction of evidence.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by stale2002 on Monday September 19, 2016 @11:14PM (#12536743)
There was a criminal investigation, and a freedom of information request. So yes, according to the courts, they WERE able to forcibly make her turn over the emails.
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by mozumder on Monday September 19, 2016 @11:25PM (#12536787)
Later on, but not at the point here.

He could delete all her private emails here if he wished.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by patrickg_zill on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @01:35AM (#12537322)
you raise the point: where in the timeline of subpoenas or other legal requests does the attempt at modifying the email archive, does Combetta's post fit?

My understanding: Combetta's post comes 1 day after Hillary had reached an agreement about turning them over.

So was she dealing in bad faith with the govt? To be determined I guess?

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by mozumder on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @02:52AM (#12537660)
Combetta is just trying to hide email addresses from spammers. How is that "bad faith"?

"Bad faith" is trying to expose personal email addresses to spammers.

The House Republicans would love it if they could publicize her private personal email address. It would render it useless.

The IT guy's job here is to make sure that doesn't happen.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by adamrezich on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @03:24AM (#12537768)
>Combetta is just trying to hide email addresses from spammers.

I honestly can't tell if you're being serious or not.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by patrickg_zill on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @09:26PM (#12544782)
I can't agree with your view of a possible motive. She owns the domain - she can change her email address at any time to a new one.
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by stale2002 on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @12:26PM (#12549676)
It is the job of the FBI to redact the information before it is released. It is ILLEGAL for the IT guy to change any of it when you are given a court order to turn over everything unmodified. But apparently he keeps accidentally bumping the delete key.
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by dragonwriter on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @12:30PM (#12549711)
> It is the job of the FBI to redact the information before it is released.

Its is the job of the FBI to redact information they choose to (or are required to) release in accordance with any legal, operational, etc., concerns applicable to the FBI.

OTOH, its quite possible that the Clinton camp anticipated that they might have reason to directly release some or all of the emails to entities other than the FBI.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by danso on Monday September 19, 2016 @11:53PM (#12536925)
So what is the point? A discussion about what could be possible? He could dress up as Osama bin Laden and crash his car through the White House gate but that doesn't mean that it's something that Secretary Clinton believes is necessary for her campaign.

Similarly, yes, he could delete the emails after being told they were part of an investigation, but that would lead to unwanted consequences. Could he have deleted them before any investigation started? Sure, then it would just be a cloud of suspicion, but no legal ramifications.

My original point was that as soon as Clinton agreed to turn over the emails, it was in the State Department's ballpark to determine which were eligible for disclosure, as the emails were written during her time at State and ostensibly dealt with State business. Not sure why you felt you had to argue that she had the capability of just destroying her servers. If she had done that, we wouldn't be having this discussion because she likely wouldn't be in the race.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by stale2002 on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @12:27PM (#12549684)
Not according to the FBI and the courts he can't.
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by generj on Monday September 19, 2016 @10:22PM (#12536545)
Yeah, a private email account which was used extensively for official government business.

With no work email account ever setup.

It's a matter of law that any and all work related emails on a personal email address are to be handed over for future FOIA requests, etc. upon leaving office.

If I used my personal email address for all communication with my companies clients for work, they'd demand all of those emails when I left the company.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by mozumder on Monday September 19, 2016 @10:47PM (#12536635)
> If I used my personal email address for all communication with my companies clients for work, they'd demand all of those emails when I left the company.

But they wouldn't be able to get them, no matter how hard they demanded.

Personal email addresses exist. Companies have to deal with that fact.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @12:04AM (#12536972)
> But they wouldn't be able to get them, no matter how hard they demanded

I work in securities. My work emails must be archived. If I send work email from my personal email (a) that is potentially illegal and (b) I must promptly turn them over to my archives. If I refuse b, I face civil and potentially criminal censure.

Blows me away how finance has stricter controls than the people conducting bombing raids.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by snowwrestler on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @01:02AM (#12537184)
This is not a relevant analogy because it's not under dispute that Clinton used her email address for personal conversations, and there is nothing in the Reddit post or the Hill news story that indicates whether we're talking about personal or official business emails.

If your employer tried to force Gmail to turn over to them all your emails with your spouse and friends, no matter the subject or content, you and Google would fight it. And rightly so.

The House GOP members of the Benghazi committee are trying their hardest to get their hands on Clinton's personal emails, to dig for embarrassing messages to release. They already have her official business emails; they have had them for years. And they have openly admitted that the entire purpose of the committee is to undercut her presidential campaign.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by ars on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @02:39AM (#12537590)
> They already have her official business emails; they have had them for years.

No, they have the emails she claims are official. Big difference.

And she has zero credibility here. Negative credibility even, if she claims they have all the official emails you can be 100% sure they do not.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by snowwrestler on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @10:49AM (#12539925)
So says you, but thankfully the law holds itself to a higher standard. Specifically, the law requires evidence of criminal activity to begin a criminal prosecution.

Your standard is that any time someone claims something, we can all act like the opposite of that claim is true, even if there is no actual evidence. By that standard, everyone is guilty until proven innocent. Again, thankfully, the law does not work that way.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by mozumder on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @02:48AM (#12537641)
And if they want more, they can always get a search warrant for them.

That would help the Republicans gain back some credibility if they did. Right now everyone considers this a colossal waste of time, exemplary of Republican waste.

Republicans are quickly finding that there are limits to their political powers.

The public needs to be forceful in telling the House to stop wasting government money on Hillary emails.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by ars on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @03:17AM (#12537749)
> And if they want more, they can always get a search warrant for them.

How would that help? She deleted them.

> The public needs to be forceful in telling the House to stop wasting government money on Hillary emails.

No, they need to tell the House that Hillary should be indited, that she is not above the rules.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by mozumder on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @10:06AM (#12539571)
> How would that help? She deleted them.

Sucks for them, then. Perhaps the House Republicans should have been quicker on their feet, instead of clowning around?

The public is in support of Clinton, and want House Republican members impeached and jailed.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by seanot on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @06:56AM (#12538511)
But the people running bombing raids regulate the securities industry. Therefore, they make the rules. This ain't Plato and Aristotle's polis.
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by generj on Monday September 19, 2016 @11:05PM (#12536699)
Oh, yes they could.

The easiest route would simply be to refuse me referrals. If I had a golden parachute deal, it would be invalidated by such an action. Any vested stocks I had would be in jeopardy. They can try to blackball me. They can cut off insurance benefits unexpectedly.

And all that before lawyers get involved...

If you do work on a personal email, your employer may later demand access to those emails. So don't do it.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by umanwizard on Monday September 19, 2016 @08:52PM (#12536091)
> The Bush administration ran private email servers to avoid FOIA requests, then nuked millions of saved emails when his term was up to avoid handing them over.

Who cares? "But the other guys are corrupt too!" is not a great argument for your candidate.

> I didn't see any huge circus or massive outcry about that.

We can all agree this is a problem.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by mcphage on Monday September 19, 2016 @09:01PM (#12536136)
> We can all agree this is a problem.

Funny how nobody seemed to think so until now.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by umanwizard on Monday September 19, 2016 @09:07PM (#12536172)
Who cares? Literally what point are you making?

Dude, do you think this is a football game? That scoring a point against your opponent negates points scored against you?

I suspect a big chunk of the people complaining about this would have complained even harder when Bush did it (if what you say is true), if they had been old enough to be aware what was going on, and had social media like we do now.

So, what is your point? How does Bush doing it matter literally at all to whether Clinton should get in trouble?

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by mc32 on Monday September 19, 2016 @10:08PM (#12536485)
One other aspect is that expectations change. While it was acceptable to send and receive email in plain text at one point and access email over http, that's likely not the case any longer.

In a fast paced environment, procedures and expectations can be expected to evolve accordingly.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by mcphage on Monday September 19, 2016 @09:25PM (#12536270)
> Literally what point are you making?

The point I'm making is that I don't think you, or anybody else actually cares about the emails—they care it's something they can criticize Clinton for. Before her, nobody gave a shit. After her, nobody will give a shit. They don't matter, except that they can be used to criticize Clinton. So of course nobody complained about it with Bush, because nobody cares about them.

> I suspect a big chunk of the people complaining about this would have complained even harder when Bush did it (if what you say is true), if they had been old enough to be aware what was going on

They wouldn't have. The rest of us had much bigger complaints to make, that complaining about deleting emails would have been a laughable waste of time.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by PKop on Monday September 19, 2016 @10:16PM (#12536516)
I served in Iraq and Afghanistan. I was held to a high standard in regards to OPSEC and security around classified information. Being as careless or purposely negligent as she was would have gotten me or anyone else court martialed.

Hillary Clinton is a grown ass woman. She knows what she'd doing. She held a position of high responsibility, that deals with highly sensitive intel that impacts many facets of national security, and had an obligation to keep her correspondence secure as well as open to FOIA requests.

That she didn't, and has repeatedly lied about it, should concern everyone. That she was willing to leave her server open to possible hacking simply for personal convenience and gain, should concern everyone. It does me.

How is it just deleting emails? She's literally hiding her tracks and doesn't want people to see what she's talking about. And when caught, she lies and deletes the evidence. I honestly do not understand how someone like you, who ostensibly is lecturing us about simply being rah rah for "our team" can NOT care about this. Honestly how can't you? You are literally telling us not to look at it through the lens of our favored political party. So then don't. How is this defensible?

I'm a little less familiar about previous instances, but if you're referring to Colin Powell's actions.. from what I've read they are no where near the extent to which she used private server for gov't communication.. BUT! I absolutely do not support him doing it either! If he broke a law, he should be prosecuted. I'd be ok with it happening even now.

Do laws and regulations have any meaning anymore if they don't apply to those at the top? We all have our favorites, and surely there is hypocrisy when we like to look the other way when it's "our guy/gal"... next time something like this happens I'll definitely care then too. A big part of it is about what kind of precedent it sets for future politicians. How much more will they hide from the public with no threat of consequences?

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by koube on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @01:21AM (#12537253)
He's not talking about Powell's actions, where Powell recommended that Clinton use a private email. He's talking about the Bush administration, who avoided any email controversy on their private email server simply by deleting all 22 million emails.

None of them broke any law, as laid out by Comey, who is famous for bashing heads with politicians. The law was executed by Comey faithfully and there was no crime to prosecute.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by PKop on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @02:18AM (#12537499)
Ok so this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controv...

Yea that's terrible. If there was evidence of a (possibly) compromised, unsecured personal server, with high level officials talking about national security on it (including Bush) then I would think it would be even worse. But it is bad as is.

Also, I think Bush was a pretty terrible president in many respects and overall I'm not a fan of his.

If he used, or personally signed off on the use of, then he should have been held responsible. As well as others that did so themselves.

And Powell's recommendation that Clinton use a personal server is a perfect example of an arrogant, entitled, self-interested "leader" who only cares about political expediency and convenience for themselves at the expense of destroying government transparency and risking security leaks and hacks.

As a General who above all should know this better than anyone, he's a disgrace for recommending this, in my opinion.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by jessaustin on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @09:03AM (#12539168)
As a General who above all should know this better than anyone, he's a disgrace...

If watching the pundit shows has taught me anything, it's that there are few classes of public figures more venal, hawkish, shameless, or blatantly self-serving than the military brass. It's a miracle they can convince anyone to follow their orders.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by gjolund on Monday September 19, 2016 @10:33PM (#12536583)
Great response, looking forward to seeing their reply.
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by umanwizard on Monday September 19, 2016 @09:36PM (#12536335)
> The point I'm making is that I don't think you, or anybody else actually cares about the emails

Based on what evidence?

> they care it's something they can criticize Clinton for.

I'm no fan of Trump either. I wish Clinton were a good candidate so she would wipe the floor with him.

> So of course nobody complained about it with Bush, because nobody cares about them.

I was 12 years old when Bush was elected. That's why I didn't care about whatever he may or may not have done.

You know absolutely nothing about me or anyone else and you are presuming people's motives without any evidence or justification.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by Retric on Monday September 19, 2016 @09:54PM (#12536425)
Based on nobody criticizing the several prior people in that same position that did the exact same thing.

Sure, if it was just one or two that's one thing, but A email is public in the first place and B when your the fifth person in a row to do something you generally assume that's just how it's done.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by newman314 on Monday September 19, 2016 @11:12PM (#12536733)
Does not make it right (for anyone). Equal rules should apply.
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by oh_sigh on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @11:51AM (#12540441)
Is there as much evidence available with bush as there is with HRC?
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by gjolund on Monday September 19, 2016 @10:31PM (#12536576)
I ran IT for a financial firm that went through an FBI investigation, if i had done this (like they asked repeatedly) I would have gone to jail.
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by oldmanjay on Monday September 19, 2016 @09:30PM (#12536305)
Are you trying to claim that no one complained about Bush? If so, I have to assume you are rather young.
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by mcphage on Monday September 19, 2016 @09:34PM (#12536317)
> Are you trying to claim that no one complained about Bush?

No, we complained constantly. But we had more important things to complain about then where his email server was.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by nitsujio on Monday September 19, 2016 @09:59PM (#12536452)
Mcphage is trolling when he says nobody cared about Bush's emails.

Politifact tells the truth of it: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/mar/15/...

Mcphage is trolling. Let's not feed him anymore.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by ben174 on Monday September 19, 2016 @09:45PM (#12536379)
On the football game analogy: yes, there are two teams. One of these teams will win. Both teams suck but at the end of the day, most people will want to vote for the person who made the most points.

It's actually exactly what it is.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by umanwizard on Monday September 19, 2016 @09:52PM (#12536414)
I am not discussing who you should vote for. I am discussing whether Hillary Clinton is a corrupt person. Those are two different questions.

If Trump[1] is even worse, then sure, vote for Hillary. But that doesn't mean that she's good or that people have to like her.

As an aside: if that were the argument Hillary fans had been making the whole time: "Yeah, we know Hillary is bad and corrupt, but at least she's way better than Trump, so you should vote for her", then I would respect them a lot more.

Instead, it's mostly been a chorus of "OMG, why are you dragging up conspiracy theories about her e-mails! You right-wing simpleton! Go back to Breitbart and argue about lizard people!"

Nothing is more annoying than people being smug when they're actually wrong.

[1]: Trump is Hillary's competition, in case anyone didn't know. Not sure why anyone is still talking about Bush.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by psyklic on Monday September 19, 2016 @11:37PM (#12536848)
This reads very presumptuously. The FBI stated she was reckless yet did nothing illegal. Reckless neither implies bad nor corrupt.
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by metiscus on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @12:17AM (#12537018)
Here is the thing. When you are cleared onto a classified project or given access to classified data, you sign several documents in which you accept responsibility for safeguarding our national security by protecting that information. If an employee of Lockheed Martin engaged in similar behavior, e.g. making references to SCI information outside of a SCIF, with only properly cleared personnel they could go to prison. Regardless of the markings she caused SCI information to be transmitted in the clear which shows a certain level of disregard for the policies that are in place to protect us and it would appear that she did so for her own convenience (if you assume the most pure motives). The reader will have to decide if this behavior, while adjudicated as reckless but not criminal is a simple instance of poor judgement by her handlers or indicative of deeper issues with the candidate.
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by the_trapper on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @01:01PM (#12541042)
Fun fact, Gary Johnson will be on every state's ballot this year.

Therefore, no there are NOT just two teams. Voting for the lesser evil is so much of what is wrong with the direction of this country today.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by jessaustin on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @08:59AM (#12539131)
...most people will want to vote for the person who made the most points.

This is true, and baffling. I try to vote as if the process matters, although I'll be the first to admit it's largely a waste of my time. Meanwhile, the morons who loudly declaim the fundamental importance of voting, care only about being "right". SMH.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by joemi on Monday September 19, 2016 @10:06PM (#12536479)
Is it possible that by Bush setting a precedence, it being done now is OK?
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by umanwizard on Monday September 19, 2016 @10:24PM (#12536548)
Why would that be the case? How do you think the law works? Just because the President breaks the law doesn't magically change the law...
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by joemi on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @01:08AM (#12537198)
Honestly, I don't know the applicable laws very well (or at all). This was just an honest question.

Given all the contention over the HRC email thing and specifically over this reddit revelation, I'm not so sure that the situation we have is clearly defined within the laws (otherwise why wouldn't everything be clear cut and decided already?).

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by koube on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @01:26AM (#12537273)
The law behind the mishandling of classified information is from the 1950s and is mostly outdated.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudenc...

What is clear however, is that judging Clinton's mishandling of emails as a crime, when only one person in a hundred years in completely different circumstances has been prosecuted for the same crime, would be unprecedented.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/07/heres-...

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by patrickg_zill on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @03:15AM (#12537743)
There was a guy prosecuted this year for similar security lapses. He went to jail.

Snowden wrote in wired, though the article doesn't cover the latest news https://www.wired.com/2015/09/snowden-people-get-fired-prose...

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by koube on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @03:42AM (#12537833)
Who should we believe? A writer from Wired Magazine? Or the director of the FBI who is also a lawyer?

There are several distinctions between the Clinton case and the Petraeus case.

* The Clinton case revolved around an unclassified context while the Petraeus case revolved around information taken from a classified context.

* The Clinton case involved data not marked classified (keep in mind emailing New York Times links to someone about about Snowden would be highly classified information), while the Petraeus case involved books that were clearly classified.

* The Clinton case showed no intent while the Petraeus case involved clear intent.

* The Clinton case involved an internal server while the Petraeus case involved open books given to his mistress.

* Clinton cooperated with the FBI while Petraeus intentionally misled the FBI.

Also, reminder that Snowden is a wanted criminal asking for a pardon for leaking 200,000 classified documents to the press, while taking refuge in the state of a geopolitical enemy. He will make scripted media appearances on behalf of Putin [1]. He is not a reliable source.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLC2WbIaq_Y

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by patrickg_zill on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @12:09PM (#12540606)
Those are great talking points.

Unfortunately, every single person that I know, that has a security clearance, can easily punch holes in almost all your points.

My views are based on what I have read and what I have been told by people with, collectively, 100+ years of security clearance holding.

* The Clinton private email server was not cleared for handling classified info. Yet classified information went through it as we now know.

* Some things were marked classified and some were not. This has no bearing on anything however. The onus is on the person who has the clearance to treat and handle all classified information properly regardless of whether it is marked properly or not.

* Clinton's intent: "If they can't, turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure."

i.e. take classified info, put into email form and strip the classified markings from it, then send to me.

Source: https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12605

I'll stop there. Basically your points are garbage.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by koube on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @01:17PM (#12541161)
You and your friends with your 100+ years of security clearance holding are free to have an opinion on Clinton's handling of her private email server.

What you cannot reasonably do, is take the legal opinion of the Director of the FBI, that the Clinton case is different from the Petraeus case, and disagree based on the fact that you have 100+ years of security clearance holding.

I have explained to you key points in James Comey's legal opinion that the Petraeus situation is not applicable to Clinton. I'm sure you're more knowledgeable than I in some area or another, however that doesn't change the fact that the legal position of the FBI has already decided. You can disagree if you want, in the same way people from the internet disagree that climate change exists. I am not interested your vague insinuations.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by patrickg_zill on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @02:07PM (#12541742)
I am not writing about the narrow issues of Petraeus vs Clinton but about the well known and well understood, by some 6 million current and former security clearance holders, methods and requirements of handling classified info.

Petraeus vs Clinton is a red herring, I didn't mention Petraeus. I was referring to the case of Brian Nishimura.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-05/peak-fbi-corruption...

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by koube on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @02:17PM (#12541857)
You linked to an article that only mentioned Petraeus in your previous comment. Regardless, Comey spoke briefly on Nishimura as well so my response is the same.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1607/07/wolf.01.html

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by SilasX on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @01:37PM (#12541369)
>federal law doesn’t prohibit the discussion of classified information over unsecured networks."

Seriously? "Oh, man, we sure left a loophole you can drive a truck through! Better update the training materials to make sure clearance holders know this is kosher..."

Sorry, but my prior on this claim is just way too low to casually accept that the analysis, as given in the first link, is plugging the relevant laws into the facts. Classified-material law just doesn't make sense if something like that is legal.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by joemi on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @01:12AM (#12537213)
Also, precedence can definitely matter in law sometimes. For instance, if someone does not enforce a patent or a copyright, that can sometimes lead to loss of such patent/copyright protections. Indeed, this isn't all that similar of a situation, but hey, who knows? I'm not a lawyer.
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by ethanbond on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @04:13AM (#12537951)
Uhh Bush is one of the least popular presidents ever, for a wide swath of reasons. It's not like he was some god above public opinion.
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by forgottenpass on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @11:26AM (#12540232)
Funny how nobody seemed to think so until now.

I did. This was just one of many mini-scandals under Bush that never really seemed to boil over.

I thought it was a problem then, still think it's a problem now, but now know why nobody held him to the fire: they were doing that shit too.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by adam12 on Monday September 19, 2016 @08:44PM (#12536053)
> From the way it reads it looks like he is asking how to bulk remove an email address from the archived messages so when they are turned over they don't contain the redacted email address.

You don't redact email addresses when you are subpoenaed by the f'ing FBI.

edit: My bad, it was the House Select Committee on Benghazi (July 2014). The FBI didn't take custody of the server until August 2015.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by kreneskyp on Monday September 19, 2016 @09:03PM (#12536145)
They were subpoenaed by Congress, but not until March 4, 2015. The initial request for emails was made by the State Department.

Edit: small mistake. The initial request did come from Congress and went through the State Department. It was not a subpoena though, that came later.

Edit 2: Since it was clear to some, the reddit post was dated July 24th, 2014. That's 7 months, prior to the first subpoena.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by rando444 on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @01:36AM (#12537325)
I think it reads worse than that

“I’ve done quite a bit already in the last few months related to this. Her team had me do a bunch of exports and email filters and cleanup to provide a PST [personal storage file] of all of HRC’s emails to/from any .gov addresses,” Combetta wrote. [0]

Exporting email and filtering it, but only for .gov addresses(?).. I would imagine that whoever subpoenaed those mails was requesting not just .gov communication, and I can't help but think that these sort of actions are suggestive of some deeper cleanup activity.

[0] http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/19/computer-tech-who-asked-ho...

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by eggy on Monday September 19, 2016 @10:53PM (#12536662)
I don't care much for Hillary or Trump, Democrat or Republican.

I think noting Bush's similar actions does not make Hillary's actions right. The old 'Two wrongs don't make a right' bit here.

There was plenty of anti-Bush press during his term too, so I can't answer to the lack of public outcry specifically on his email doings; perhaps, there was just too much other low-hanging fruit. Although, suspicions were raised blaming the Bush administration for the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami that devastated parts of Indonesia and Thailand, and other earthquakes [1,2]. Sure a lot of them are flat-earther types, but you'd be surprised how some of the links I googled on this were just political forums.

[1] http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/03-17-05/discussion.cgi.81....

[2] http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/12/306992.shtml

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by dilap on Monday September 19, 2016 @08:52PM (#12536086)
What adam12 said -- sure, running a private email server to avoid FOIA is just Bush-level shady (though I'd hope the bar acceptable behavior would be higher than 'Bush did it'). But modifying and deleting evidence to thwart a subpoenae from the FBI is real bad.
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by Retric on Monday September 19, 2016 @09:52PM (#12536417)
It's 7 months, prior to the first subpoena. This is a question for redacting information, which is fairly common when doing releases to congress etc.
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by dogma1138 on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @12:04AM (#12536973)
Do you really think that they didn't knew a subpoena was coming? Infact I would bet that they've consulted with a lawyer and this "redaction" was deemed as "shady but not criminal". Hilary might be "dumb" (as far as IT goes) but she ain't stupid.
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by Retric on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @12:06PM (#12540563)
If they thought it was going to cause a mess they likely would not have done it in the first place. If the opposition can make something look bad and you don't gain anything from it then what's the point.
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by dogma1138 on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @12:39PM (#12540862)
Hindsight is always 20/20.

Overall this sort of redaction smells like legal advice.

You define the record as the body of the message and archive messages without the headers, or at least without the sender and recipient headers in them. This might even be a valid interpretation of the US records act.

When asked why you can say this was the archiving policy and you stored the messages as a document and the headers were irrelevant since they did not hold any information.

When asked about who sent or received a specific email that has been redacted you can 'honestly' claim "I do not recall".

Overall this is pretty much exactly the borderline illegal narrative that a good legal counselor would provide in this case.

Of Course that advice was granted based on the premise that there would not be a trail that would make this look premeditated and suspicious.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by prklmn on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @12:12AM (#12536995)
This is called covering your ass just in case, not redacting.
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by dilap on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @12:53AM (#12537155)
ah, good point about the timeline. after the benghazi subpoena, but before the email subpoenas. not nearly as bad.
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by belorn on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @05:45AM (#12538243)
> The idea that we should be able to immediately read all the correspondence written by any public official also seems silly

Open government is silly? It has been a core aspect of democracy for a long time, and dates back at least to the time of the Enlightenment. People are allowed to have private conversations, but government are held accountable for decisions and the decision process. Transparency allows citizens of a democracy to control their government, reducing government corruption, bribery and other malfeasance. Is that what we are calling silly?

What it should do is encourage public officials to act lawfully and within the trust than citizens has given them. The idea of sealing emails "X years after leaving office" goes directly against the idea of classified documents, since that seal should only be added to information which will harm society and the public that elected the government. Embarrassing or corrupting showing information is not that.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by losvedir on Monday September 19, 2016 @08:59PM (#12536128)
> I assume it would be embarrassing and/or problematic to share the email addresses of various ambassadors and other government officials in public records. You could also read something nefarious into it if you want.

That's what I'm trying to understand here. Was it the case that they were just going to hand over the whole DB regardless, and are trying to keep personal info private (but still, e.g., leave the name so it's clear who's in the conversation)? That's, I suppose, kind of reasonable.

On the other hand, I'm vaguely aware that at least in some cases there's a legal discovery process, where you don't just hand over everything, but do certain searches for "relevant" info and hand over that [0]. Is that true or at all relevant here? That would be quite a bit more nefarious if they were trying to avoid the discovery mining process by changing the email addresses (without flat out deleting the emails). But it seems like instead of doing that why not just delete them?

[0] http://enterpriseit.co/microsoft-exchange/search-all-users-m...

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by Judson on Monday September 19, 2016 @09:43PM (#12536365)
> Was it the case that they were just going to hand over the whole DB regardless

According to Wikipedia, they turned over 30,000 pieces of paper.

I'm amazed that it isn't a requirement that documents be turned over in an electronically searchable format in most legal scenarios.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by generj on Monday September 19, 2016 @10:25PM (#12536552)
It's a pretty common tactic, especially in discovery for civil cases. Law firms routinely pay people to type up printed documents so they can be keyword searched.

I agree it should be a matter of contempt of court when clearly used as a delaying tactic.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by losvedir on Monday September 19, 2016 @09:40PM (#12536350)
As a follow up, I found this news article from Time[0], talking about a discovery process:

> Instead, as Clinton revealed Tuesday, her attorneys searched the trove of emails for certain email addresses and subjects. Baron argued that raises the possibility that they missed some emails that should have been saved for the public record.

> First, the lawyers searched all emails with a “.gov” email address in any address field, which yielded 27,500 emails—more than 90% of the total correspondence ultimately provided to State.

Those matching emails were turned over on Dec. 5, 2015 and Combetta posted on July 24, 2015. The optics of trying to change the email addresses ahead of a search by her lawyers for certain email addresses to decide what to turn over are certainly not great.

[0] http://time.com/3740357/hillary-clinton-emails-search/

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by anon946 on Monday September 19, 2016 @09:42PM (#12536364)
Wasn't it July 24, 2014?
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by monochromatic on Monday September 19, 2016 @08:45PM (#12536062)
We don't know the motive, but it seems at least equally plausible that this was in anticipation of responding to a discovery request that filtered on sender/recipient.

> The Bush administration ran private email servers to avoid FOIA requests, then nuked millions of saved emails when his term was up to avoid handing them over.

Citation needed if you're going to "correct the record."

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by desdiv on Monday September 19, 2016 @09:07PM (#12536176)
Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by joshmn on Tuesday September 20, 2016 @12:41AM (#12537123)
> I didn't see any huge circus or massive outcry about that.

There were just so many things wrong with the Bush administration. I have mad respect for George W, he's a nice guy, and talks a little funny (to a northerner), but some of the things he did just... I don't even know.

Re:House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's emai... by newman314 on Monday September 19, 2016 @11:08PM (#12536717)
Well, given that they probably search for email addresses as part of ediscovery, it would be an easy way to avoid hitting the search filter.