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Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by tyingq on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @10:26AM (#11479828)
Not trying to be snarky, but the biggest lesson here seems to be "don't operate without off-host backups". Cheap VPS providers don't typically offer that sort of thing as a standard feature. Even when they do, the backups would be on the same infrastructure, and easily wiped from the same (compromised) console.

You could have just as easily lost all the data in an accidental way, with no malice or 3rd party involved.

That said, I do empathize, and it's disappointing that a major player like namecheap would be so easily socially engineered.

Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by billmalarky on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @11:15AM (#11480266)
Yeah I'm pretty sure the data loss is not a namecheap specific problem. Speaking from experience I lost an entire website (zero backups including app code - it was a horrible technical debt perfect storm situation no VCS etc) in the huge TigerMate inmotionhosting hack back in 2011 so this is nothing new. It was a PITA but the site was nothing special so I wrote it off as a valuable lesson.

If you give a shit about it, back it up.

Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by matthewdrussell on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @10:33AM (#11479888)
We offer full backups with all managed servers/services

Self-managed a customer is responsible for their own backups. Just like with DO and that full server loss a couple of months back.

Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by tyingq on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @11:07AM (#11480184)
The key part of what he said there was "managed".

It's a $30 to $75 a month upcharge on top of the base VPS price. I don't think the OP was paying for a managed VPS.

Edit: Apparently, only the $75/month package includes backups. The $30/month package does not. (http://i.imgur.com/Iy7iacH.png)

Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by matthewdrussell on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @11:10AM (#11480203)
This was a self-managed/unmanaged VPS, correct.
Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by stephenr on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @11:15AM (#11480267)
> We offer full backups with all managed servers/services

Are those backups purgeable from the account control panel?

Honestly I'm not a huge fan of same-provider backup solutions. It seems like asking a fox to guard your sheep.

Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by tamar on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @11:49AM (#11480602)
No, they are offsite.
Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by joenathan on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @10:38AM (#11479936)
We who?
Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by gist on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @10:58AM (#11480104)
Example of on HN expecting everyone (newbies and all) to know who you are. This happens with DANG and SAMA comments as well. Back when PG used to comment also happened. Look at their profiles, really no explanation of who they are here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=pg

https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=dang

https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=sama

Why is it so hard to put info in your profile or to put a footnote in your comments for the newbies? Would you have your business act this way? Reply to a person's inquiry and not say who you are and what you do? Of course not.

Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by mikeyouse on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @12:24PM (#11480936)
He posted this down the thread which starts with:

> Disclaimer: I'm CIO @ Namecheap

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11479810

Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by prawn on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @05:18PM (#11483665)
Still not outrageous to think that people might be able to give rookies some context rather than check the full thread for other comments doing so.
Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by HemanHeartYou on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @12:07PM (#11480777)
given the context of the reply, any person of average intelligence should be able to figure it out (or just google)
Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by SixSigma on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @12:30PM (#11480986)
Well I read the reply :

"we offer service X"

could be from anybody trying to say they offer the service, not obvious at all it is a representative of Namecheap

Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by citricsquid on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @10:41AM (#11479954)
Matthew Russell is the VP of Hosting at Namecheap https://www.namecheap.com/about/team.aspx
Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by nxzero on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @11:05AM (#11480160)
What if any fault does Namecheap take with the breach and what is being done to resolve it?
Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by matthewdrussell on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @12:53PM (#11481215)
See my other comments in this thread
Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by nxzero on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @01:16PM (#11481452)
I've reviewed all 16 of your comments on the page and beyond sawing a single person at Namecheap didn't follow policy and blaming the user in question, I don't see anywhere that you've stated there's an issue with controls.

Am I missing something, or is Namecheap saying they didn't do anything wrong?

Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by djsumdog on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @05:34PM (#11483762)
You can't expect them to admit liability now can you? They offered the customer a year free of their shitty hosting without admitting fault after all.
Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by matthewdrussell on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @11:10AM (#11480209)
I work for Namecheap
Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by d--b on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @10:37AM (#11479925)
Second biggest lesson here: do not use weak passwords for emails.
Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by madeofpalk on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @11:17AM (#11480288)
Was interesting that the victim said they used 2FA for everything they considered important, but not email. I guess their email provider doesn't provide it?
Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by _vn5r on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @01:43PM (#11481762)
I was thinking the same. But in that case, maybe move to a provider that does support it?
Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by thomnottom on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @12:08PM (#11480793)
I don't see how that can be the biggest lesson. Someone at the service provider bypassed their own protocols in order to hand control of the system over to an unauthorized user. Even with local backups he would have needed to restore the servers because Namecheap royally screwed up.

Yes, you should always have more backups than you need. But wouldn't you be moving to a different provider after something like this anyway?

Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by tyingq on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @12:46PM (#11481149)
Yes, I would move. Impossible to do without the data, which is why it was the biggest takeaway to me.
Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by thomnottom on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @03:17PM (#11482666)
Understood. I guess my point is that almost every data story can end with "should have had better backups" as the lesson.
Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by baby on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @03:31PM (#11482809)
I think another lesson in security is that 2FA are sometimes completely broken because of real use-case where the user lose his second authenticator device. This is one of the reason I'm really iffy about setting up 2FA on my own accounts.
Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by stephenr on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @10:57AM (#11480094)
By "off-host" do you mean physical VPS host or hosting company?

I think a better suggestion/wording (depending on your intent) re: backups would be "don't operate without independent backups".

Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by vehementi on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @12:28PM (#11480972)
Did you make it through to the part of the article where he says "my biggest personal lesson is to make off-host backups"? Not sure why you're making this post.
Re:Namecheap live chat social engineering leads to loss of 2... by tyingq on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @12:40PM (#11481087)
Which doesn't jive with the either the title, or conclusion of the post.