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Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by beloch on Sunday February 28, 2016 @07:36PM (#11193095)

  "At the time scientists still believed there might be
   microbial life on the moon and Sagan had suggested a 
   nuclear explosion might be used to detect organisms."
Somebody in charge must have finally realized nuking the moon would have made the U.S. look insane, not strong. However, the most surprising thing to me is that Carl Sagan managed to find a scientific silver lining in this turd of a plan. Does anyone have more info on how a nuclear explosion might have been used to detect life on the moon? Would it have involved spectroscopic analysis of the debris cloud?
Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by jordanb on Sunday February 28, 2016 @08:35PM (#11193227)
Looking insane may have been the goal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory
Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by hindenburg on Sunday February 28, 2016 @10:42PM (#11193481)
According to the article, Dr. Reiffel said, 'The Air Force wanted a mushroom cloud so large it would be visible on earth.'

That seems a very odd thing for a physicist to say, given that of course a mushroom cloud wouldn't form in a vacuum. Perhaps Dr. Reiffel was not at his best on the day of the interview?

Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by justin_vanw on Monday February 29, 2016 @12:23AM (#11193735)
There are too many impossibilities and errors in this to even consider it as remotely factual.

- ICBMs can't reach the moon, or even anything remotely close to it

- Mushroom clouds don't form in a vacuum.

- The fact that some Air Force officer thought it would be a neat idea (if any of this is factual) does not in any way imply that it was even remotely considered by anyone with the authority to make such a decision, any more than seeing a person who works at the Apple store drinking a coke implies that Apple Inc is buying the entire CocaCola corporation.

Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by versteegen on Monday February 29, 2016 @05:53AM (#11194727)
By "mushroom cloud" they must have meant the ball of dust thrown up by an explosion at/below the lunar surface. That is why Sagan would have suggested it as a possibility for detecting micro-organisms.
Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by justin_vanw on Monday February 29, 2016 @07:59PM (#11200083)
But it still wouldn't make a cloud, it would just scatter dust, and each particle of dust would fall back to the moon in a ballistic trajectory (it would not last long at all).
Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by jld89 on Monday February 29, 2016 @05:07AM (#11194558)
It was probably just a metaphor to vulgarize what he meant. They wanted a big assed bomb.
Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by icebraining on Sunday February 28, 2016 @06:12PM (#11192839)
Reminds me of the conversation in Yes, Prime Minister regarding the nuclear missiles (Trident).

  - Does the RAF [Royal Air Force] agree on canceling Trident?
  - You could ask them. If you're interested in the opinion
    of garage mechanics. They'd want to keep it. They want to drop
    the bomb from an aeroplane. They just like dropping things on
    people, but they're no good at it. Couldn't even close the
    runway at Port Stanley. Probably never find Moscow, and if
    they did they'd miss it.
Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by teh_klev on Monday February 29, 2016 @10:26AM (#11195959)
Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by Terr_ on Sunday February 28, 2016 @08:07PM (#11193175)
Reminds me of a webpage "Nuke The Moon" [0] which satirically says:

> World peace cannot be achieved by sitting around on our duffs singing hippy songs to the moon. Peace can only be achieved through excessive acts of seemingly mindless violence.

> [...] And all the other countries would exclaim, "Holy @$#%! They are nuking the moon! America has gone insane! I better go eat at McDonald's before they think I don't like them."

[0] http://www.imao.us/docs/NukeTheMoon.htm

Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by bootload on Sunday February 28, 2016 @08:42PM (#11193247)
"Reiffel was approached by senior US Air Force officers in 1958, who asked him to 'fast-track' a project to investigate the visibility and effects of a nuclear explosion on the moon. "

Was the US Air Force capable of launching a missle to the moon in the late '50s, early '60's?

Lets say they chose the Atlas. Lets be generous and say the Atlas E was chosen (Lockheed , first launched in Feb 24, '61) [0] it was capable of an 820Kg payload into low orbit. The interesting bit, for the total life of this particular rocket there were "9 successful launches, 7 partial successful launches and 2 failures."

Hardly a reasonable plan to get a bomb to the moon. Nothing really happened until Wernher von Braun was put in charge of the F1 and by then the target was a manned mission.

[0] http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app3/b-2.html

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun#NASA_career

Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by valarauca1 on Sunday February 28, 2016 @08:59PM (#11193285)
a project to investigate the visibility [...] of a nuclear explosion on the moon

So the thought process was literally, "I wonder if we could see a nuclear explosion on the moon?"

Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by bootload on Sunday February 28, 2016 @10:09PM (#11193411)
@valarauca1 good point, though I'm sure there was a good reason behind this. Did someone think this might be a one-up on Sputnik? Anyway I'm glad it didn't go through. The success rates for US Air Force rockets at that time wasn't good.
Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by TrevorJ on Sunday February 28, 2016 @06:43PM (#11192945)
Sometimes I am reminded how incredible it is that we haven't managed to make ourselves extinct yet.
Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by revscat on Sunday February 28, 2016 @07:05PM (#11193010)
Oh we will, I have no doubts about that. If we are still here in any significant numbers 100 years from now it will be a miracle. Religious zealotry towards prophets and/or profits means climate change gets ignored.
Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by an_account on Sunday February 28, 2016 @08:45PM (#11193255)
You think climate change will wipe out a majority of people, and within only 100 years?

If so, you're ignoring science just as much as the religious zealots.

Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by username223 on Sunday February 28, 2016 @09:39PM (#11193354)
Global warming can't do it directly, but the resulting instability -- mass migration, famine, political and religious zealotry -- could certainly increase the odds of nuclear conflict. I doubt that a majority, i.e. 3.5+ billion, will die, but it won't be pretty.
Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by tonyedgecombe on Monday February 29, 2016 @01:57AM (#11193987)
I think most climate scientists will tell you they just don't know what will happen that far out.
Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by brbsix on Sunday February 28, 2016 @07:26PM (#11193063)
Political zealotry is just as dangerous, if not more so. A singularity or nuclear war is more of an existential threat than any religious ideology could ever be.
Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by mitchtbaum on Sunday February 28, 2016 @10:36PM (#11193467)
Well, if _you_ indeed have any nukes or involvement with those humans referenced in this story (as implied in your comment) and even if not, then this song might give you a smile.. and some pause before listening to someone who would feel no remorse for making Life extinct: [Randy Newman - Political Science ("Let's Drop the Big One")](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGO42gvCSPI)
Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by orionblastar on Sunday February 28, 2016 @09:01PM (#11193293)
The space race was basically due to the Cold War between the USSR and USA. Putting a rocket on the Moon, meant that it could reach the USSR and beyond if they wanted to.

Nuking the Moon meant that they could put a nuke to reach Russia and beyond.

Remember rocket science is the same if you are putting people on the Moon or just using missiles with nuclear payloads to hit an enemy nation.

It was a show of superior technology, and if they nuked the Moon it would have been one more step for longer range nuclear missiles.

Be glad that the cold war was fought in space via the space race instead of sending missiles to different places in the world or even to the Moon. Technology from the space race really innovated things and brought about the microchip and personal computers.

Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by okonomiyaki3000 on Sunday February 28, 2016 @08:27PM (#11193217)
It's not a big deal to nuke a small part of a lifeless rock but it is a big deal to put a nuke on a rocket and shoot it into space.
Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by username223 on Sunday February 28, 2016 @09:40PM (#11193356)
Speaking of crazy shit the US actually did do...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime

We already nuked space, just for fun.

Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by fennecfoxen on Sunday February 28, 2016 @11:18PM (#11193553)
"Just for fun?" They were trying to figure out whether they could detonate nukes in space to blow up incoming ICBMs, which were a real and growing threat in 1962 (unlike anything to do with the Moon).
Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by username223 on Sunday February 28, 2016 @11:31PM (#11193590)
The "fun" part was a flippant attempt to point out that the US had, at enormous risk and cost, and with previous mistakes, launched an H-bomb into space over 50 years ago. The ICBM part is new to me -- any further info?
Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by diskcat on Monday February 29, 2016 @02:47AM (#11194140)
the moon has more gravitational potential energy in it than all the nukes on earth times one million
Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by pizza on Sunday February 28, 2016 @10:57PM (#11193503)
Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by markrages on Sunday February 28, 2016 @11:34PM (#11193604)
Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by mr_tyzic on Sunday February 28, 2016 @04:56PM (#11192558)
Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by lyonlim on Sunday February 28, 2016 @06:45PM (#11192949)
Curious: What would such an explosion on the moon cause to the positioning of its orbit around earth? Would that affect the tides on earth?
Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by Synaesthesia on Sunday February 28, 2016 @07:01PM (#11192998)
Gravitational potential energy of moon = 7.35 * 10^29 J Energy of largest nuclear bomb (50 megatons) = 2.1 * 10^17 J

So the bomb is over 10^12 times weaker than the moon, affecting its orbit and the tides by one part in a trillion. Quite unnoticeable. Source: Wolfram Alpha

Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by simonh on Sunday February 28, 2016 @08:53PM (#11193274)
Either that, or it would blast the moon out of Earth orbit and send it on a journey across the galaxy.

Source: Space 1999

Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by analog31 on Sunday February 28, 2016 @07:49PM (#11193131)
I wonder if a more interesting effect would have been the spewing of debris into earth orbit. The moon doesn't have an atmosphere to damp the ejection of material from an explosion.

Although, I suppose this also happens if a meteor hits the moon.

Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by ChuckMcM on Monday February 29, 2016 @12:06AM (#11193687)
Its a reasonable question. If you did it such that the explosion was on the earth facing side, you would impart a significant amount of energy to the material ejected. Some of that would move in a retrograde motion to the moon, thus reducing its orbital velocity and lowering its orbit relative to the moon. Other material would have the opposite effect, and material ejected perpindicular to the orbital plane would find itself in a very strange orbit indeed (probably reconnect with the moon later as the orbits eventually intersected).

I can't imagine though that you'd get enough of it into an orbit that intersected the Earth's atmosphere to do any sort of damage. You might have some great meteor showers as it entered the atmosphere but probably no chunks big enough to reach the ground.

Re:The US Air Force's plan to detonate a nuclear bomb on the... by ogig on Sunday February 28, 2016 @07:02PM (#11193002)