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Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by Eridrus on Thursday February 25, 2016 @03:08PM (#11177394)
No kidding, this was the weirdest shutdown statement I've read in a while, "we found users who derive commercial benefit from using us... so we're shutting down"
Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by IkmoIkmo on Thursday February 25, 2016 @04:13PM (#11177844)
I think he did touch on that though. Essentially he's selling bread, and he's got to buy scarce flower at high prices in a convoluted system from a small number of farmers, and be forever at the mercy of the flower selling farmers. Only it's data instead of flower.

Further, the data sometimes is bad and causes inaccuracy issues for customers without him knowing, this causes lots of complaints that he has no control over, something that isn't feasible when charging money to commercial users. Not just that, but the price of data is ever increasing, free data is becoming restricted and he needs to restructure as data suppliers go out of business or restructure their API.

I mean there are obviously solutions, like generate his own data etc. But it really looks like he's got other opportunities to earn a living and this isn't the lowest hanging fruit for him.

What I DO find strange is why he's not selling it. I just can't imagine not at least one of the company's he's buying data from wouldn't buy this at a discounted price if need be. Some money is better than nothing.

Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by jgrall on Thursday February 25, 2016 @04:22PM (#11177894)
Creator of Just Landed here. Actually, I have been approached by a number of companies over the years about selling Just Landed, including some household names. The trouble is, almost none of them wanted the app – they just wanted me as an employee. These weren't companies I could get super excited about working for - especially since I love being an entrepreneur and working for myself. Of the few who did want the app or the tech, their quality bar/taste wasn't a good fit, and I worried about how they would treat my users. It was never about the money. Time is my most valuable scarce resource.
Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by mikecarlton on Thursday February 25, 2016 @04:36PM (#11178019)
Thanks for building this, I've been a low-volume user since sometime in 2013. I'll miss it, but completely understand your reasoning.
Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by annnnd on Friday February 26, 2016 @03:12AM (#11180346)
Hmmm. If it's about users, then why shutter the service they depend on? I am sure you have throught about this a lot and are probably tired of investing more time and energy in this project, but if you have hundreds of thousands of users, you have a huge opportunity on your hands.

How about:

1) start building your own set of data to complement the bought data. Every time there is an inaccuracy, approach the airline company and start using their data directly. Later on, you can even become one of the companies who provide data to others. When there is a problem ("the data companies are not doing their job") there is an opportunity.

2) change the pricing model to charge big users more. They should be your bread and butter, because they get paid to use your app. You are just a small additional cost to them. You can even lower the initial price tag and charge more for enterprise usage... Since you are better than others (see 1.) the enterprise users will be happy to pay more.

3) failing that, sell to an entrepreneur who will continue. I am sure there are many interested persons and your users would be better served if someone picked up where you left off. Hell, I am interested... :)

Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by unclebucknasty on Thursday February 25, 2016 @08:47PM (#11179328)
Ever think about contractualizing the things that concerned you (like user-treatment) and getting a conditional employment contract, which also featured a limited term?

I hear you on the time point. Thing is, it's hard to get to that place where you have an offer on the table. Starting over would have a time cost, so over the long term, you might've been able to buy yourself more time with the time you'd already invested.

Of course, that also depends on the amount of the offer.

Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by morgante on Thursday February 25, 2016 @08:36PM (#11179294)
The app is great and I actually think a business model could be found (though I can totally understand your weariness).

Have you considered selling it to another entrepreneur to carry on instead of shutting down completely?

Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by tw04 on Thursday February 25, 2016 @06:15PM (#11178626)
Not to be that guy, but I think you mean flour? Sorry, it threw me off and had to re-read a few times.
Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by IkmoIkmo on Friday February 26, 2016 @12:31AM (#11179950)
Thanks!
Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by nostrademons on Thursday February 25, 2016 @04:35PM (#11178000)
I think that what the other posters are touching on is: why sell bread at all? Why not sell beer? Or ethanol, to gasoline companies? You have a source of flour, and you also have access to customers who are deriving their livelihoods from your product. If the bread market is tapped out and too competitive to make a profit, why not turn around and seek other markets?

In my experience, consumer mobile is pretty much tapped out - it's very difficult to make a living as an independent app developer. But the enterprise market is still booming. Now that the giant consumer applications (WhatsApp, Instagram, Uber, Instacart, etc.) have been found, there's a long tail of smaller niches that'll pay good money for specialized services.

Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by duderific on Thursday February 25, 2016 @05:03PM (#11178205)
But he doesn't have the source of flour -- he gets the flour (data) from unreliable/expensive sources and turns it into bread. The people with the data are the ones who are in the leverage position.
Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by quadrature on Thursday February 25, 2016 @04:19PM (#11177873)
hate to nitpick, but you might appreciate that its called "flour". good analogy !.
Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by aws_ls on Friday February 26, 2016 @09:15AM (#11181428)
Perhaps, the HN dupe detection algo needs to be slightly improved to check parent comment? :-)
Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by motdiem on Friday February 26, 2016 @02:56AM (#11180310)
You touch an important point. I'm in the process of winding down an app that relies on scraping a variety of badly formed data - there is commercial interest, but it is really difficult for me to make people pay for something if I can't guarantee the quality of the data- which after struggling for a couple of years chasing obscure data format changes, I was not looking forward too. I'm sure there were other factors, but I completely understand the app creator's decision to shutdown rather than enterprise up with that in mind.
Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by colmvp on Thursday February 25, 2016 @05:41PM (#11178418)
I've worked in a similar situation, providing pricing/inventory information to buyers from vendors, and it's hellish as a middleman with limited clout to ensure vendors remain consistent in transmitting up-to-date pricing and inventory. When one side encounter inconsistencies, middlemen always get the blame despite the other side being responsible for providing the information. Hence why I sympathize with the app developer.
Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by brianwawok on Thursday February 25, 2016 @03:36PM (#11177592)
Commercial people using your app vs commercial users willing to pay 500 times the current price are 2 very different things.
Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by jgrall on Thursday February 25, 2016 @04:34PM (#11177991)
You got it. To profitably support commercial power users I would have had to change the business model to a pay-as-you-go subscription model. I considered doing this in a way that wouldn't shut out my casual users (for whom I created the app in the first place, and who are still the majority), but I had serious doubts about the willingness of taxi and limo drivers to pay for Just Landed on an ongoing basis.

The proliferation of half-decent free flight trackers (albeit without the unique airport pickup focus), the other systemic problems mentioned in my post, and the increasingly common cannibalization of utility apps by Apple's iOS itself, led me to the conclusion that such an endeavor was likely doomed to fail.

Just because you can find passionate users doesn't mean you've found a good business, and that was the case here.

Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by lucio on Thursday February 25, 2016 @06:11PM (#11178604)
Have you tried it? What if instead of "we're shutting down", you'll say "from now on the service will cost 5 bucks a month" (or we'll close)" and see what happens?
Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by pbreit on Thursday February 25, 2016 @04:11PM (#11177824)
Why "500 times"?
Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by mst on Thursday February 25, 2016 @04:23PM (#11177902)
Because that was how much more data they were using than the early users.
Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by brianwawok on Thursday February 25, 2016 @05:23PM (#11178313)
Exactly from the article he said they used 500x more data (which I am sure is a total broad guess, but I could easily imagine 100x or more for someone hitting an airport up every day)
Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by estefan on Friday February 26, 2016 @07:51AM (#11181085)
It's like "After 4 years we finally found our most potentially valuable users but don't want to charge them and would rather shut down..."
Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by untog on Thursday February 25, 2016 @04:49PM (#11178108)
Corporate customers that are paying you money would be a lot more demanding. And it sounds like this was only ever a side project.
Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by mathattack on Thursday February 25, 2016 @06:22PM (#11178664)
Yes - charge a lot more money for a smaller user base.
Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by wantreprenr007 on Thursday February 25, 2016 @07:33PM (#11179038)
Failure to monetize such as hypertargeted/local ads/deals or freemium features.

Winners tend to turn challenge into profit opportunities rather than give up and disappoint many people when they had something sizable which could be sold to someone whom can fix it or fix it themselves.

Too often, when people whom are uncomfortable with uncertainty and don't know what success looks like, they give up and throw away opportunity which may never come again because of their past behavior / reputation for not finishing things. My cousin nearly had a florist shop by having tons of orders, but gave up when he didn't know what to do by feeling overwhelmed... and I was so disappointed that he didn't handle it better to come out ahead in something he had passion and opportunity that passed by. (Self-sabotage or novice mistakes, who knows.)

I see these shutdown notices not as some self-deprecating contrition but as braggging about letting people down, destroying value and wasting their and all their customers' and investors' time and money... don't shutdown when you have a good team and customers, pivot or sell. (Don't squander assets: talent, social or capital.)

Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by girvo on Friday February 26, 2016 @06:02AM (#11180824)
What an entitled smug attitude. No wonder you posted it under a throwaway.
Re:Just Landed Is Shutting Down by HeyLaughingBoy on Friday February 26, 2016 @08:08AM (#11181148)
I agree that it was poorly stated, but there is some truth in there that's worth considering.