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Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by chx on Monday February 22, 2016 @12:14AM (#11148640)
I believe if you buy Amazon items then, even if they split the shipment, they won't charge you. The above sounds like you were buying from different merchants.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by deftnerd on Monday February 22, 2016 @12:34AM (#11148731)
All the items were eligible for free shipping, according to Amazon. Some of the items were from individual merchants, but all of those were FBA (so they were warehoused at an Amazon facility).

It's possible that even though they were eligible for free shipping, they weren't all in the same facility. If that was the case, I would understand why they were put into separate boxes.

What doesn't make sense is removing one item in a box by itself causing the shopping cart to reshuffle so a different item was placed in a box by itself.

I was irked enough that I want to find alternatives.

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by jfoster on Monday February 22, 2016 @02:31AM (#11149172)
Even if they weren't in the same facility, why would that make it understandable? How are you, as a customer, supposed to be concerned with which Amazon facility has what stock? (information you don't even have)
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by blowski on Monday February 22, 2016 @05:35AM (#11149870)
Agreed. Feels like Amazon outsourcing part of its shipping algorithm to customers.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by cwilkes on Monday February 22, 2016 @07:49AM (#11150432)
+1 I've had the same experience trying to get $35 of "qualifying goods" into my cart to only see that they weren't really telling the truth and having to pay for shipping with Prime for next day.

Oh and through some weird ability to rename time "next day" now means 2 days and "2 day" means 3 day delivery. Same day usually does mean same day -- which used to have a lot of items available for that but recently has seemed to have gone down. Still impressed that it can be done.

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by gherkin0 on Monday February 22, 2016 @12:39PM (#11152621)
It sounds to me like the algorithm is deliberately trying to outsource some of the "free" shipping cost to customers.

It's sort of like that bank transaction-ordering scandal from a few years ago, where banks ordered transactions unintuitively to maximize overdraft penalties.

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by fweespeech on Monday February 22, 2016 @10:01AM (#11151180)
They already outsource fixing the errors made by their algorithms to customers and the businesses that ship for Amazon.

Lol.

"Hey, lets merge these two colors, what could possibly go wrong?" is an algorithmic decision made by Amazon that happens far too frequently after I've gone home or to bed. :p

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by dheera on Monday February 22, 2016 @11:23AM (#11151908)
They could also just tell you "the items you want to buy cost $X for shipping" where X just happens to drop to 0 under certain circumstances. This is what everyone except Amazon does. Charging for shipping is entirely understandable. I too love free shipping, but it's actually us that have been spoiled by Amazon.

And with Amazon's low prices and 5% cashback I'm pretty sure even if they started charging for shipping that it would be still cheaper than anywhere else ...

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by Sir_Substance on Monday February 22, 2016 @04:03AM (#11149505)
>All the items were eligible for free shipping, according to Amazon.

What amazon says on their main page is very disconnected from reality. What it says on checkout is what matters.

When I buy stuff from Amazon, they have a little checkbox on the side that says "only items that ship to Iceland". Never the less, when I get to the checkout 90% of the stuff they show won't ship to Iceland.

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by CWuestefeld on Monday February 22, 2016 @02:00PM (#11153343)
I bet this is related to another quirk, where "sort by price" doesn't really result in things being in the expected order.

I suspect (because I have a similar challenge in our own ecommerce system) that the model underlying the representation of products has at least one additional layer of specificity, that's not directly revealed to the user. Consider that you're looking at Products, but what they're really manipulating are products as sourced from a particular supplier.

Each of those "supplier-items" has its own price (because with Amazon marketplace, the supplier gets to set their own), as well as its own potential shipping destinations.

When you project that into search results as a list of Products, what you wind up with is a list of "Products for which there's at least one supplier willing to ship to Iceland". And the sorting is something like "order by lowest price offered by all suppliers". When you click on that product to go to Product Details, and then just click "Add to Cart", they've lost the thread of "I need to select a supplier of this product that will ship to Iceland".

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by Sir_Substance on Monday February 22, 2016 @02:34PM (#11153588)
>I suspect (because I have a similar challenge in our own ecommerce system) that the model underlying the representation of products has at least one additional layer of specificity, that's not directly revealed to the user. Consider that you're looking at Products, but what they're really manipulating are products as sourced from a particular supplier.

There's no doubt that's the case, but it also isn't that big a problem to solve (at least for amazon, your mileage may vary, possibly my commiserations depending on how good/bad your system is to work on).

I know this because of the "Does amazon ship to...?" plugin, which can iterate over every seller instance of a specific item and return it's eligibility for shipping to your country, along with an independent shipping price and item price. It can process two dozen instances in about a second or two via whatever API it uses.

Considering this is possible and frankly not all that difficult, I'm placing the blame for amazon not using a bit of JS-foo to run this form of processing server side (where it will be way faster) and deliver results to my browser asynchronously as they are finished squarely at the feet of amazons marketing department. This has the stink of "if we show it to them anyway, maybe they'll buy it and send it via a shipping service" all over it.

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by valdiorn on Monday February 22, 2016 @07:33AM (#11150363)
hah, also from Iceland. Moved to the UK 2.5 years ago.

....man I love free shipping on Amazon... and also having a selection of product to choose from :)

I hope they don't up the UK limit as well, that would suck. I buy something from Amazon literally every week.

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by fermuch on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @10:24AM (#11159466)
Quick question: 2.5 years means "two years and five months", or "two years and six months"?
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by manigandham on Thursday February 25, 2016 @04:01PM (#11177762)
Commonly converting to decimals like that means 2.5 is read as 2 and a half = 2 years 6 months.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by wodenokoto on Monday February 22, 2016 @04:28AM (#11149604)
If that's the case, then it is false advertisement. Don't blame that on the consumer.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by Sir_Substance on Monday February 22, 2016 @04:51AM (#11149703)
Settle down sunshine, I'm warning him and giving him advice on where to get real info, not blaming him. Put your bush laywering back in your pocket.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by dang on Monday February 22, 2016 @03:12PM (#11153899)
This comment breaks the HN guidelines badly, and you've posted many uncivil comments before this as well. Please stop doing that.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by Sir_Substance on Monday February 22, 2016 @04:09PM (#11154315)
Oh jesus buddy, there's always one of you. If you care that much go find a mod to ban me (or are you a mod? I don't care), and I'll go find some other corner of the internet.

You're welcome to slowly turn this place into a dustbowl by bitching at people for having conversations if that's what you enjoy doing in a community, don't let me stop you, but let me remind you of this:

You weren't involved in the conversation, and your comment history is nothing but wandering around sticking your nose in robust discussion and whining that people aren't talking to each other via the predefined rules that you like, as if human conversation is based on your two favorite links. You're not contributing here, and there's not a single post in the last several pages of your comments that implies you care about, understand or have an opinion on anything posted here, so please shush and let the rest of us get on with our sharing.

edit: http://joshldavis.com/2014/10/03/heavy-handed-hackernews/

Looks like you've been doing this for at least 16 months, congrats or something?

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by dang on Monday February 22, 2016 @05:55PM (#11155032)
Yes, I'm a moderator here, and I agree, moderation comments are tedious and annoying (to write, as well as to read).

Please follow the rules from now on. That means posting civilly and substantively, or not at all.

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by pbreit on Monday February 22, 2016 @02:33AM (#11149175)
If they were "Prime" you should have gotten free shipping. FBA doesn't matter and I don't know what "eligible for free shipping" is. This story sounds fishy.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by jkestner on Monday February 22, 2016 @02:47AM (#11149226)
He doesn't have Prime.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by ajmurmann on Monday February 22, 2016 @12:21AM (#11148665)
The non-amazon shipped stuff on Amazon honestly had been a pain ever since they introduced it. If you have prime it mostly is just a huge nuisance.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by CydeWeys on Monday February 22, 2016 @10:28AM (#11151413)
A lot of it is such JUNK, too. Amazon has no qualms whatsoever about selling stuff that, frankly, belongs in the garbage. I've cooled off on Amazon a lot since earlier years because shopping on there is an experience fraught with angst thanks to trying to find the best trade-off between price and utility. Oftentimes the cheapest items for any given category (e.g. snorkel masks and touchscreen gloves, two recent things I purchased) are pure junk that aren't fit for their stated purpose.

Whereas if I'm in a brick-and-mortar store, I can at least evaluate the quality of something hands-on, and then have a better idea of if the cheapest is good enough. This is exacerbated by item descriptions that are frequently inaccurate, even showing the wrong photos. The third party sellers especially don't seem to be held accountable for much, and processing returns through them is often a disaster.

I fear that Amazon is creating damage to their brand by not establishing some minimum floor for product quality. Right now they rank somewhere between a dollar store and a Walmart in my mind.

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by brbsix on Monday February 22, 2016 @11:06AM (#11151734)
There are a lot of (POS) counterfeit goods as well. It is very difficult to be certain you're purchasing the genuine article. At least this has been my experience purchasing electronics from merchants on Amazon in recent years.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by coco1989 on Monday February 22, 2016 @01:05PM (#11152849)
I know - its like revenge of the show room.. I look for reviews on Amazon and then get it somewhere else..
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by stanmancan on Monday February 22, 2016 @12:24AM (#11148687)
I always make sure I check off the "Prime Eligible" checkbox when searching Amazon. It sucks to find an item, go to buy it, and finding out it's going to take 4 weeks and $25 to ship from the UK or something.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by tracker1 on Monday February 22, 2016 @02:40AM (#11149202)
I go a step beyond that, and will often also check Amazon as the seller. I've had too many mis-labelled products show up... Sometimes I forget, and that's usually when there is a problem.

I'm almost inclined to go prefer local stores again, as Amazon's pricing advantages seem to have slipped, and if they raise the cost of Prime again, I'm definitely out. I've been a pretty loyal customer to Amazon, but honestly, they're slipping a bit.

They should probably spend just a little more time on their core products.

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by logfromblammo on Monday February 22, 2016 @01:59PM (#11153333)
I ordered something from Amazon, with Amazon as the seller, and with the Prime filter checked. It was marked as having low remaining inventory. After I purchased, and the item failed to arrive with the rest of my order, I saw that it had been moved to a separate order, from a different seller, with an additional $10 shipping charge and an additional week of delay.

Look, Amazon, you have a real problem with sorting and filtering. What I really want is a way to order goods by the final, bottom-line price, including all taxes and shipping costs. If something costs $20 plus $10 in shipping, it should rank after a similar thing that is $25 plus $0 shipping.

The Prime filter is the only way I can even approach that problem from my end. It forces the cost of shipping to be included in the price of all items, at the expense of not seeing potentially cheaper items. But even then, Amazon can't even manage to sort correctly by price. Nor does it handle quantities in a package very well.

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by robryan on Monday February 22, 2016 @01:33AM (#11148963)
A lot of stuff is fine though and you will probably get it in similar time to Amazon standard shipping.

It would be hard if they let you search by say < 3 business days, < 5 business days in the same way they let you search prime only.

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by 7952 on Monday February 22, 2016 @09:12AM (#11150858)
I was going on a trip and needed some random stuff delivered the next day and was happy to pay delivery for it. It was a nightmare tryng to elimate marketplace sellers with longer delivery times and finding out that Amazon don't actually sell a lot of things I wanted.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by thirdsun on Monday February 22, 2016 @01:18AM (#11148923)
Same here, unless it's the only option and I really need the product, I'll only buy Prime-enabled products.

I really don't want Amazon to turn into eBay or Alibaba, but for many categories it already is if you scroll/paginate far enough.

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by dsp1234 on Monday February 22, 2016 @01:44AM (#11148999)
A friend of mine who does online arbitrage takes advantage of this. She'll take the lowest non-prime eligible price, mark it up 5% then set it to be 'fulfilled by amazon'. She knows that people will prefer Prime, even if a lower total cost item is available via free shipping.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by ec109685 on Monday February 22, 2016 @01:56AM (#11149046)
How does she get the items back to Amazon to let them fulfill them?
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by dsp1234 on Monday February 22, 2016 @12:57PM (#11152776)
Maybe I wasn't clear. She finds items in other places, ships them to the amazon warehouse, then sets the price +5%.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by dotch on Monday February 22, 2016 @01:42AM (#11148989)
Same. Especially with items like Apple accessories, this is really starting to hurt Amazon's reputation. Most of the reviewers for those products complain about receiving knock-off products and have no clue that they need to select the ones sold directly by Amazon to get the original one.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by iagooar on Monday February 22, 2016 @02:27AM (#11149162)
Heck, I do most of my buying on Amazon and am a technical person, and still find myself struggling to get it right.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by sc90 on Monday February 22, 2016 @01:36AM (#11148971)
What do you mean turn into ebay or Alibaba?
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by michaelt on Monday February 22, 2016 @05:02AM (#11149746)
A few months ago I was trying to buy some bright LED bulbs, and I tried Ebay and Aliexpress. I ordered some 7 watt bulbs, but (repeatedly and by different vendors) I was shipped bulbs that were closer to 4 watts.

Given that it happened several times with several vendors, I suspect there's a systematic problem due to incentives - higher power bulbs command higher prices, and most buyers don't have the test equipment needed to detect the fraud; and even when someone does detect the fraud you just have to refund them and claim it was an accident.

Needless to say, if the conditions of the market mean that fraudsters out-compete honest sellers, all the honest sellers have to quit or resort to fraud, and the market becomes useless to consumers.

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by randycupertino on Monday February 22, 2016 @03:39PM (#11154114)
I've noticed this with makeup. Amazon sellers have twice shipped me fake makeup "dupes" (not real products by the real manufacturer) instead of what I actually ordered. Now I go to sephora and buy makeup because I'm too worried about purchasing more fakes.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by thirdsun on Monday February 22, 2016 @02:16AM (#11149108)
As the other commenter suggested, I mean offering an endless stream of low quality products, not necessarily knockoffs, but simply bad products. Another commenter mentioned Apple accessoires, which is a good example - I think it would be in Amazon's interest to at least mildly curate these and other categories. Currently Amazon is close to useless when you don't exactly know what you want, which results in me researching elsewhere and buying on Amazon when I made a decision.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by x0x0 on Monday February 22, 2016 @01:37AM (#11148976)
a guess: full of shoddy and/or unsafe knockoffs
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by georgemcbay on Monday February 22, 2016 @06:39AM (#11150118)
Agreed. Not that I ever expect them to do it, but if they had a global filter to block anything not being fulfilled by Amazon from ever being see on their site, I would set it and never look back.

100% of the reason I use Amazon is fast and consistent shipping. That is the entire value for me.

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by Pxtl on Monday February 22, 2016 @12:24AM (#11148681)
I think everybody's been burned by that once. We keep using Amazon, of course, so it's obviously sitll working out for them.

Then again, my in-laws got burned by Amazon's various dark patterns enough times that they've given up on it. Can't say I blame them.

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by Silhouette on Monday February 22, 2016 @02:24AM (#11149142)
We keep using Amazon, of course, so it's obviously sitll working out for them.

For now. The thing about reputations in business is that they can deteriorate slowly over time and up to a point it won't matter because customers will favour convenience and the brands they know. Sometimes that point can be much further from where you started than most people would expect. However, if you ever pass that point and lose a critical mass of customers, you're in real trouble.

If Play/Rakuten/whoever they are these days had a decent web site and content management, they could make a fortune out of my household given our increasing frustration with Amazon cluttering up their own site. Unfortunately, they're actually much worse and not really a useful alternative at all.

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by Pxtl on Monday February 22, 2016 @02:46AM (#11149222)
Amazon's inventory supply chain is so many light-years ahead of the competition, especially here in Canada, I think they'll be able to screw up the UI for a decade or two.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by prewett on Monday February 22, 2016 @03:33AM (#11149405)
It may be light-years ahead of the competition, but if advantage doesn't produce a cost savings for the customer, it doesn't matter. I generally need about $20 of something from Amazon. At $35 I can generally find something else I will use. But if I have to buy $50 worth of stuff to get the cost advantage of free shipping, I'm much more likely to just go down to the store and buy it.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by hga on Monday February 22, 2016 @03:46AM (#11149451)
Back before my father and I decided to share a Prime subscription (I buy the stuff with my account and charge it to his credit card), I solved this by keeping in my deferred cart various items I wanted sometime in the coming months that I wasn't in a hurry to get. If you can take a long very about enough things it worked out pretty well, especially since your metric is to, over a year, pay less than a Prime subscription.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by WalterSear on Monday February 22, 2016 @10:27AM (#11151407)
I've switched to specialty vendor stores for dog food (wag) and electronics accessories (monoprice). I'll keep switching as better options come online.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by hacknat on Monday February 22, 2016 @08:57AM (#11150780)
I agree. I literally just did this and got free shipping, even though the items were spread out.