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Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by deftnerd on Monday February 22, 2016 @12:34AM (#11148731)
All the items were eligible for free shipping, according to Amazon. Some of the items were from individual merchants, but all of those were FBA (so they were warehoused at an Amazon facility).

It's possible that even though they were eligible for free shipping, they weren't all in the same facility. If that was the case, I would understand why they were put into separate boxes.

What doesn't make sense is removing one item in a box by itself causing the shopping cart to reshuffle so a different item was placed in a box by itself.

I was irked enough that I want to find alternatives.

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by jfoster on Monday February 22, 2016 @02:31AM (#11149172)
Even if they weren't in the same facility, why would that make it understandable? How are you, as a customer, supposed to be concerned with which Amazon facility has what stock? (information you don't even have)
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by blowski on Monday February 22, 2016 @05:35AM (#11149870)
Agreed. Feels like Amazon outsourcing part of its shipping algorithm to customers.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by cwilkes on Monday February 22, 2016 @07:49AM (#11150432)
+1 I've had the same experience trying to get $35 of "qualifying goods" into my cart to only see that they weren't really telling the truth and having to pay for shipping with Prime for next day.

Oh and through some weird ability to rename time "next day" now means 2 days and "2 day" means 3 day delivery. Same day usually does mean same day -- which used to have a lot of items available for that but recently has seemed to have gone down. Still impressed that it can be done.

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by gherkin0 on Monday February 22, 2016 @12:39PM (#11152621)
It sounds to me like the algorithm is deliberately trying to outsource some of the "free" shipping cost to customers.

It's sort of like that bank transaction-ordering scandal from a few years ago, where banks ordered transactions unintuitively to maximize overdraft penalties.

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by fweespeech on Monday February 22, 2016 @10:01AM (#11151180)
They already outsource fixing the errors made by their algorithms to customers and the businesses that ship for Amazon.

Lol.

"Hey, lets merge these two colors, what could possibly go wrong?" is an algorithmic decision made by Amazon that happens far too frequently after I've gone home or to bed. :p

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by dheera on Monday February 22, 2016 @11:23AM (#11151908)
They could also just tell you "the items you want to buy cost $X for shipping" where X just happens to drop to 0 under certain circumstances. This is what everyone except Amazon does. Charging for shipping is entirely understandable. I too love free shipping, but it's actually us that have been spoiled by Amazon.

And with Amazon's low prices and 5% cashback I'm pretty sure even if they started charging for shipping that it would be still cheaper than anywhere else ...

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by Sir_Substance on Monday February 22, 2016 @04:03AM (#11149505)
>All the items were eligible for free shipping, according to Amazon.

What amazon says on their main page is very disconnected from reality. What it says on checkout is what matters.

When I buy stuff from Amazon, they have a little checkbox on the side that says "only items that ship to Iceland". Never the less, when I get to the checkout 90% of the stuff they show won't ship to Iceland.

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by CWuestefeld on Monday February 22, 2016 @02:00PM (#11153343)
I bet this is related to another quirk, where "sort by price" doesn't really result in things being in the expected order.

I suspect (because I have a similar challenge in our own ecommerce system) that the model underlying the representation of products has at least one additional layer of specificity, that's not directly revealed to the user. Consider that you're looking at Products, but what they're really manipulating are products as sourced from a particular supplier.

Each of those "supplier-items" has its own price (because with Amazon marketplace, the supplier gets to set their own), as well as its own potential shipping destinations.

When you project that into search results as a list of Products, what you wind up with is a list of "Products for which there's at least one supplier willing to ship to Iceland". And the sorting is something like "order by lowest price offered by all suppliers". When you click on that product to go to Product Details, and then just click "Add to Cart", they've lost the thread of "I need to select a supplier of this product that will ship to Iceland".

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by Sir_Substance on Monday February 22, 2016 @02:34PM (#11153588)
>I suspect (because I have a similar challenge in our own ecommerce system) that the model underlying the representation of products has at least one additional layer of specificity, that's not directly revealed to the user. Consider that you're looking at Products, but what they're really manipulating are products as sourced from a particular supplier.

There's no doubt that's the case, but it also isn't that big a problem to solve (at least for amazon, your mileage may vary, possibly my commiserations depending on how good/bad your system is to work on).

I know this because of the "Does amazon ship to...?" plugin, which can iterate over every seller instance of a specific item and return it's eligibility for shipping to your country, along with an independent shipping price and item price. It can process two dozen instances in about a second or two via whatever API it uses.

Considering this is possible and frankly not all that difficult, I'm placing the blame for amazon not using a bit of JS-foo to run this form of processing server side (where it will be way faster) and deliver results to my browser asynchronously as they are finished squarely at the feet of amazons marketing department. This has the stink of "if we show it to them anyway, maybe they'll buy it and send it via a shipping service" all over it.

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by valdiorn on Monday February 22, 2016 @07:33AM (#11150363)
hah, also from Iceland. Moved to the UK 2.5 years ago.

....man I love free shipping on Amazon... and also having a selection of product to choose from :)

I hope they don't up the UK limit as well, that would suck. I buy something from Amazon literally every week.

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by fermuch on Tuesday February 23, 2016 @10:24AM (#11159466)
Quick question: 2.5 years means "two years and five months", or "two years and six months"?
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by manigandham on Thursday February 25, 2016 @04:01PM (#11177762)
Commonly converting to decimals like that means 2.5 is read as 2 and a half = 2 years 6 months.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by wodenokoto on Monday February 22, 2016 @04:28AM (#11149604)
If that's the case, then it is false advertisement. Don't blame that on the consumer.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by Sir_Substance on Monday February 22, 2016 @04:51AM (#11149703)
Settle down sunshine, I'm warning him and giving him advice on where to get real info, not blaming him. Put your bush laywering back in your pocket.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by dang on Monday February 22, 2016 @03:12PM (#11153899)
This comment breaks the HN guidelines badly, and you've posted many uncivil comments before this as well. Please stop doing that.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by Sir_Substance on Monday February 22, 2016 @04:09PM (#11154315)
Oh jesus buddy, there's always one of you. If you care that much go find a mod to ban me (or are you a mod? I don't care), and I'll go find some other corner of the internet.

You're welcome to slowly turn this place into a dustbowl by bitching at people for having conversations if that's what you enjoy doing in a community, don't let me stop you, but let me remind you of this:

You weren't involved in the conversation, and your comment history is nothing but wandering around sticking your nose in robust discussion and whining that people aren't talking to each other via the predefined rules that you like, as if human conversation is based on your two favorite links. You're not contributing here, and there's not a single post in the last several pages of your comments that implies you care about, understand or have an opinion on anything posted here, so please shush and let the rest of us get on with our sharing.

edit: http://joshldavis.com/2014/10/03/heavy-handed-hackernews/

Looks like you've been doing this for at least 16 months, congrats or something?

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by dang on Monday February 22, 2016 @05:55PM (#11155032)
Yes, I'm a moderator here, and I agree, moderation comments are tedious and annoying (to write, as well as to read).

Please follow the rules from now on. That means posting civilly and substantively, or not at all.

Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by pbreit on Monday February 22, 2016 @02:33AM (#11149175)
If they were "Prime" you should have gotten free shipping. FBA doesn't matter and I don't know what "eligible for free shipping" is. This story sounds fishy.
Re:Amazon Free Shipping minimum is now $49 by jkestner on Monday February 22, 2016 @02:47AM (#11149226)
He doesn't have Prime.