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Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by grubles on Monday February 08, 2016 @08:49PM (#11062488)
Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by argonaut on Monday February 08, 2016 @11:35PM (#11063094)
Except that PayPal posted a strong earnings report in Q4 2015 (http://techcrunch.com/2016/01/27/paypal-shares-up-on-earning...). So this is just a coincidence of timing (new year, etc.).

My point is, I seriously doubt the CTO was forced out or left because he thought his stock was worthless. He is most likely leaving for any of the million other reasons people leave companies every day.

Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by hammock on Monday February 08, 2016 @11:44PM (#11063130)
Earnings is a lagging indicator
Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by VeilEm on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @12:24AM (#11063296)
Reality is a lagging indicator. All this schadenfreude on HN, so much eager anticipation for bad things, why do you people read this site? There is real malicious intent among a lot of commentators. A lot of posts recently have been FUD and cheap and low quality posts to business insider and other vapid blogs.
Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by 20years on Monday February 08, 2016 @11:44PM (#11063133)
It all seriousness - allowing another mega-bubble to get created just to burst again should be prevented. This is what regulatory safeguards are supposed to prevent but like the housing bubble and financial bubble, the nefarious types always find a way to game the system.

When this happens it so harmful to the little guy and all of the employees stuck in the middle.

Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by SixSigma on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @12:50AM (#11063395)
You can't boil water without bubbles.
Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by m3rc on Monday February 08, 2016 @09:27PM (#11062648)
Am I very dense or is this a reference to the tech bubble?
Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by astronautameya on Monday February 08, 2016 @11:51PM (#11063160)
The bubble is obv there, but that doesn't mean it has to go bust. We still have time
Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by richmarr on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @06:38AM (#11064633)
I feel like I've missed some vital perspective... why is there obviously a bubble? (I'm assuming "obv" means "obviously" in your comment)
Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by pbreit on Monday February 08, 2016 @11:29PM (#11063068)
I guess that's the reference but it doesn't make any sense.
Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by emodendroket on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @10:18AM (#11065802)
You might argue that it's wrong but I think the sense of it is obvious.
Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by zrail on Monday February 08, 2016 @09:32PM (#11062671)
Congratulations you got the reference. Gold stars for everyone!
Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by knowaveragejoe on Monday February 08, 2016 @09:42PM (#11062703)
I assumed people would be drawing this conclusion when I saw the top 3 threads right now. How do we know that is the case and not just statistical anomaly, though?
Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by losteric on Monday February 08, 2016 @09:52PM (#11062738)
That was just a joke, for now.

The idea that we're in a bubble on the cusp of collapse has been building over the past year, spiking when the feds raised interest rates, but there's no concrete evidence of a bubble popping. Yet.

Get worried when we see (multiple) high-level execs also resigning from Facebook/Twitter/etc. Especially if it's of their own accord...

Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by bjacobel on Monday February 08, 2016 @10:52PM (#11062942)
Multiple high-level execs left Twitter about two weeks ago - four at once.

http://recode.net/2016/01/24/twitter-ceo-jack-dorsey-confirm...

Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by djcapelis on Monday February 08, 2016 @10:18PM (#11062814)
Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by daveguy on Monday February 08, 2016 @11:59PM (#11063198)
HN bubble bubble?
Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by m3rc on Monday February 08, 2016 @11:36PM (#11063096)
yaaaaaaay
Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by ronnier on Monday February 08, 2016 @09:35PM (#11062687)
Have you figured out why some people gloat over it?
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Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by ditonal on Monday February 08, 2016 @10:19PM (#11062822)
Correction: people haven't been calling a bubble for the last year, it's been for the last 5 years:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2231352

So the majority of people called a tech bubble, unlike your claim that most people are "permabulls", and then there was a period of great growth and prosperity. There have been plenty of people predicting gloom and doom to happen before now and none of them are admitting they were wrong. So basically it's gone down exactly the opposite as you've described.

Eventually, the naysayers will, to an extent, be right. But it's ridiculous to act like financial market movements are obvious and we should all predict it perfectly. It's even ridiculous to act like a few resignations is indicative of a bubble popping. The strongest evidence that a bubble does not exist is all these weaker companies struggling, because in an actual bubble they would be propped up by the relentless speculation. Yet people point to failed companies as proof there's a bubble, even while many tech companies are doing great.

Either way, financial markets are very difficult to predict, unless you count predicting the same direction for years and waiting for it to be right. So stop acting like it's easy and obvious. If you really feel so strongly, put your net worth into shorting tech stocks and make a ton of money.

Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by orblivion on Monday February 08, 2016 @11:18PM (#11063038)
As you see it, if (hypothetically) an industry lasts for five years, and then collapses due to none of its promises coming to fruition, was it in fact a bubble the whole time? Would people have been wrong for calling it out the whole time, even if it took five years to happen?

Whether or not this describes Silicon Valley is a further question, but it sounds like based on your standard, you wouldn't give credit to a naysayer even if it did.

Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by ditonal on Monday February 08, 2016 @11:51PM (#11063161)
If hypothetically, the entire industry collapsed, sure, the people who called it a bubble were right. But an "industry collapse" means something like Google or Facebook shutting down with no competitor to replace it, almost every unicorn going broke, and most importantly the market cap of the entire sector hitting pre-2011 levels proving the growth was fake all along. That would be a really big collapse - to the extent that pointing to a bad Yelp earnings as evidence is a joke. In real bubbles, big, established players like Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers disappear and thousands of smaller shops get crushed. A collapse is not a few unicorns losing some value. Even if Uber got wiped out I wouldn't call it an industry collapse, and that scenario is already hard to imagine.

More likely, at some point we'll see a bad year or two, some hiring freezes and layoffs here and there, and people point to that as a bubble collapse that they "knew all along", even though they "knew" it during times when the sector grew more than it eventually receded.

In real bubbles, you see a insane amount of growth based on pure speculation, followed by a massive collapse. The justification for a "bubble" so far has been based on incredibly silly things like the engineers making 80% of what lawyers make or private valuations being high (which only affects a small number of people and is often inflated by things like liquidation preference incentivizing it to sound artificially high despite a significantly lower risk).

Companies like Zynga, Groupon, Living Social, Homejoy, Twitter and Yahoo struggling during a so-called "bubble" is not insane growth, it's proof the market has maintained skepticism over the years. And a few more unicorns falling over won't be a massive collapse either.

Every market has downturns. Not every downturn is a bubble. And an actual "bubble" existence hasn't been proven true despite repeated insistences for 5 years, and I highly doubt it will start now, unless we uncover massive, massive fraud.

Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by daveguy on Tuesday February 09, 2016 @12:04AM (#11063225)
Reply threshold. Saying a bubble bursting always involves a Lehman Brothers or Bear Stearns collapse (brother post) is pushing it. That was a leveraged bubble and it burst harder than most. In the dot com bubble most of the big names rode it out from AOL to Yahoo and Amazon. A bubble can pop without a Facebook or Google type company going down.
Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by fweespeech on Monday February 08, 2016 @11:39PM (#11063107)
Yes its wrong.

Shorting too early is an insane money losing proposition.

Re:PayPal CTO Resigns by rpgmaker on Monday February 08, 2016 @09:56PM (#11062749)
Is this supposed to be a clever comment? Paypal doesn't belong to that group of companies.