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Re:Why I love Snapchat by goldenchrome on Thursday January 07, 2016 @05:15PM (#10861231)
I don't know what to say. I think OP did a good job of explaining what makes Snapchat so great, but their initial confusion and the confusion from the commenters within this thread boggles me. Recently I was in a room with a well-known VC who wouldn't believe a college student who said that they enjoy using Snapchat, as if they couldn't comprehend how anyone would like it.

Virtually all the comments are about how Snapchat confuses them and that there must be something seriously wrong with it. And yet the app is immensely popular. If you're one of those people, then Snapchat is not really made for you.

You might be able to understand why Snapchat is a beloved app by reading a report about what the millennials are up to these days but I encourage anyone dealing with this confusion to make an effort to talk to people outside of your normal social circles once in a while. This kind of empathy with others will make you much more effective when you're creating for people who are not like you.

Re:Why I love Snapchat by justin on Thursday January 07, 2016 @06:36PM (#10861682)
My initial confusion came from 1) not immediately understanding how the UI worked, 2) not being that interested in learning because few of my social network were one it. Once I invested a few minutes in understanding it out I loved it. I think the same would be true for many other people who "don't get it".
Re:Why I love Snapchat by dorian-graph on Thursday January 07, 2016 @06:42PM (#10861720)
It's concerning that those who don't get it then act confused about why anyone else would like it. It seems like out of 2 possible responses, the ideal should be b)

a) I don't understand it or see the appeal, then why do other people like it? b) I don't like it or see the appeal, but others do. Cool.

Re:Why I love Snapchat by Alex3917 on Thursday January 07, 2016 @08:33PM (#10862289)
I completely understand the appeal of snapchat; it's basically LSD in social network form... The intimacy of shared human experience, the infinite nowness, the mindfuck UI, the altered values, the sense of sacred space, etc.

But much like acid, I feel like I wouldn't be able to engage with it everyday without weird things happening to my brain. I totally support people who use it, just personally I'm content with mostly experiencing it vicariously through other people.

Re:Why I love Snapchat by arthurcolle on Friday January 08, 2016 @12:14AM (#10863075)
Completely agree; interesting remark. I was recently traveling with someone that spent probably a good 25% of her time on Snapchat. It was kinda (read: thoroughly) offputting
Re:Why I love Snapchat by mblevin on Thursday January 07, 2016 @09:00PM (#10862383)
Except most people's natural reaction when they don't understand other people's value systems is not empathy - it's criticism.

It happens on a much lesser level with food, music, movies, etc - the reaction from a non-fan to a 15 year-old girl's declaration that she loves One Direction is not "ok I see why someone could like this music and why this tribal affiliation is both socially useful to a teenager" but rather

Snapchat is the technology version of One Direction for a lot of adults. But also remember many adults couldn't understand why teenage girls went crazy for The Beatles in 1964 either.

Re:Why I love Snapchat by mattlutze on Friday January 08, 2016 @10:41AM (#10865606)
For social networks in particular, the "I don't get it, here comes the criticism" reaction is a good thing. If a new social network / app is going to grow a devoted, core group of user evangelists, there needs to be a clear delineation between the in-group and out-group to help them adopt the network as part of their personal identity.
Re:Why I love Snapchat by tomasien on Thursday January 07, 2016 @11:54PM (#10863024)
Snapchat is the most important social network right now among my friends. I'm 27 (so not core Snapchat demo but close) and very few of my friends work in tech. It's massive.

Instagram and Facebook are both close, but if something is happening there's a 5x better chance someone is going to Snap it than Insta it and 50x chance they'll Snap it than do anything with it on FB.

Re:Why I love Snapchat by lowpro on Friday January 08, 2016 @01:45AM (#10863345)
Being a 19 year old college student with many friends in high school, I can say snapchat is the most popular social network, followed by Instagram then Twitter, and lastly Facebook. If something is happening, people will snap and tweet about it, Instagram and Facebook are reserved for bigger events that are worth mentioning, snapchat and Twitter are for more day to day activities and therefore get used much more often.
Re:Why I love Snapchat by corobo on Friday January 08, 2016 @05:36AM (#10864021)
I think I may have crossed the age barrier of target market and not very recently (also 27). A year or so ago snapchat was massive within my friend circle, to the point where normal messages would be superimposed over a selfie or just a picture of whatever the person was doing or seeing right now. A few months back however it rapidly faded and everyone moved back to Facebook Messenger.

I'll be honest I'm not even sure why I'm posting this, but it was such a sudden movement - and everyone virtually the same time too - I wonder if anything's happened in the past 3-6 months to cause that

Re:Why I love Snapchat by tomasien on Friday January 08, 2016 @12:02PM (#10866331)
Interesting! I never get FB messanger messages but I know from the numbers that obviously it's huge.
Re:Why I love Snapchat by ocean3 on Friday January 08, 2016 @12:41AM (#10863152)
I assume in US? Here in India i doubt many know if there is something called Snapchat or even Instagram. Everyone's on WhatsApp.
Re:Why I love Snapchat by cmadan on Friday January 08, 2016 @03:31AM (#10863659)
Instagram is pretty huge in India already. It has about 6M monthly active users and is installed on almost everyone in my age group's (25-35) phones.

Snapchat on the other hand, most people won't know about it. However, I bet its drastically going to change in two years. Whatsapp is basically an SMS replacement - it lacks media rich features and as mobile internet speeds improve in India, people will gravitate towards apps such as Snapchat.

Re:Why I love Snapchat by ocean3 on Friday January 08, 2016 @03:39AM (#10863685)
I am in same age bracket. They barely know Instagram. It used to be facebook all the time now Whatsapp has taken over it. Why do you consider whatsapps lacking in media. You can upload photos, videos. If they allowed documents it would have been better.
Re:Why I love Snapchat by cmadan on Friday January 08, 2016 @11:50AM (#10866219)
Maybe our social circles are different :). Snapchat has high resolution pictures & videos, filters, adding captions, adding emoji to pictures, drawing stuff on it. Whatsapp photos and videos functionality is just barely better than MMS.
Re:Why I love Snapchat by ghrifter on Friday January 08, 2016 @01:30AM (#10863310)
Yes in US snapchat is huge. Especially among college students and highschoolers.
Re:Why I love Snapchat by Umn44 on Thursday January 07, 2016 @06:52PM (#10861784)
> This kind of empathy with others will make you much more effective when you're creating for people who are not like you.

Empathy has nothing to do with it, most people who use computers are stupid or if they are smart have irrational traits. Our ancient primate brain is easily fooled.

Apple's ipod was not technically superior to competing MP3 players. Steve jobs was not a genius, he was just taking advantage of the fact that people are stupid and into fashion.

The same thing applies for most things, take the videogame industry. Anyone who knows how a computer works and is not irrational knows DRM and locked down games are bad for games, the enlightened rational minority is outnumbered by the irrational majority. So corruption, appearances, crap products and the superficial rule.

Re:Why I love Snapchat by meat_fist on Thursday January 07, 2016 @07:45PM (#10862086)
This comment is very unempathetic. You're taking a very strong "if you don't agree with me you are stupid" approach, which is pretty much the exact opposite of empathy.

Also, most of the things that you've said are entirely subjective. You're stating your own opinions as fact, which most of us (me) would say is something a stupid, unempathetic person would do.

Re:Why I love Snapchat by NDizzle on Thursday January 07, 2016 @07:00PM (#10861837)
At a base level, I'm not sure why you'd do something to have it disappear. Why would I write anything or record a short video that would self destruct?! It seems like it's for meaningless stuff. If you follow that logic far enough that means the whole thing is meaningless.
Re:Why I love Snapchat by noelsusman on Thursday January 07, 2016 @11:47PM (#10862996)
It's all about lowering the stakes in social interaction. It's one of the reasons why Twitter became so popular yet people continue to be baffled by it. Facebook has utterly failed on this front IMO.

Most people realize that whatever they want to say to their friends is almost always unimportant and ultimately meaningless. This is how real life conversations work 99% of the time. When you post something to Facebook you're saying that whatever you have to say is important enough to put up on everybody's news feed and stay around forever. When you use Snapchat you're saying that whatever you have to say is worth a few seconds of your friends' time and then disappears forever.

It also plays against the slow realization by Millennials as they've grown up that everything they do on the Internet is permanent and they need to be careful about it. Snapchat let's you do whatever stupid shit you want as long as you trust the recipients to not save it and share it.

Re:Why I love Snapchat by AndrewKemendo on Friday January 08, 2016 @09:58AM (#10865256)
Thanks for that explanation, as it makes it much clearer to me why people would use it.

I think its a different mindset that says "I want everyone to see this" for what would otherwise be mundane things. I know I never have the urge to broadcast to my friends regular everyday stuff like sitting around or working, but a significant amount of people do. Not saying if that is good or bad, I think it's just different.

Re:Why I love Snapchat by 55555 on Thursday January 07, 2016 @07:18PM (#10861938)
Every real interaction you have in your life immediately disappears. Snapchat is like actually talking with somebody.
Re:Why I love Snapchat by NDizzle on Thursday January 07, 2016 @07:37PM (#10862041)
Can you tell who has read or seen your posts? I guess I mean, when I talk to someone I know they are there. I don't want to feel pressured to look at the feed every day on the chance of missing something.

I feel like the people I talk to, I already talk to. Internet people are internet people - and I'd like them to approach my missives at their own pace. Not have an inspector-gadget like timer associated with the posts.

Re:Why I love Snapchat by taternuts on Thursday January 07, 2016 @08:04PM (#10862164)
You can tell which one of your friends has viewed your posts on your personal timeline or directly
Re:Why I love Snapchat by facepalm on Friday January 08, 2016 @02:43AM (#10863518)
Except that you are not - if I talk with somebody for real, at least I know somebody listened to what I say (OK, or at least pretended to listen). Seems as if I could go through the effort to snap something and it would disappear before anybody sees it.

Does it also play on that basic human condition of not wanting to see options go away, so you frantically click through your friend's stories for fear of missing anything? I could imagine how that would get users hooked, but I wouldn't consider it a good thing.

Re:Why I love Snapchat by welly on Thursday January 07, 2016 @08:17PM (#10862230)
But why should interaction disappear if it doesn't have to? Snapchat is no more like talking with someone than Facebook Messenger is, with the exception that you get to keep your interaction with Facebook Messenger.

While I "get" your point, I think it's a stretch in terms of what Snapchat offers that I can't get elsewhere with a better experience.

But then, I'm well over 20 and from the comments on this post, definitely not snapchat's market.

Re:Why I love Snapchat by lelandbatey on Thursday January 07, 2016 @10:13PM (#10862686)
The reason snaps disappear is to enable one of the key effects of Snapchat which is low-stakes social interaction. Users feel they can be more relaxed in their interactions when they cannot be recalled later. To quote the article:

    There’s no public view count, follower count, likes count, or any other social
    dick-measuring contest. You can just put whatever you’re doing on Snapchat; if
    people don’t like it, who gives a fuck, you’ll never know. There’s no
    expectation of balling out 24/7.
    
    Consequently, on Snapchat I’ll post to my daily Story almost twice as much as
    I’ll post to Twitter and Facebook combined to reach only a fraction of the
    number of people. The cost of content creation is extremely low, and Snapchat
    makes it fun to think about what aspects of what I’m doing every day might be
    cool for other people to see.

Many people do feel social pressure to be "cool", to perform to the perceived expectations of the groups they belong too. Given that, many people clamor for "lower stakes" interactions. While the same "lowering of the stakes" could happen at a social level, and I believe that is something that's happening slowly over the long term, a much faster route is to use a tool that enforces lower stakes, such as Snapchat.

If you are someone who does not find the appeal in low-stakes interactions, then it's quite understandable that Snapchat may not appeal to you.

Re:Why I love Snapchat by argonaut on Thursday January 07, 2016 @11:06PM (#10862862)
No, Facebook Messenger is like talking to someone with a tape recorder sitting between you.
Re:Why I love Snapchat by mercer on Friday January 08, 2016 @08:27AM (#10864640)
Compare it to Twitter limiting your communication to 140 characters. Or Instagram limiting your posts to photos (as far as I know; never used it). Or Vine limiting you even more than Instagram. Or Tinder limiting you to swipes (compared to pretty much every other 'dating' app out there).

In all cases the limitation is rather arbitrary, and yet one of the primary defining aspects of each product. I don't think it's a stretch at all that the ephemeral nature of Snapchat is its main offering. I kind of wish more of my friends would use Snapchat, because I'm not always happy with the idea that everything I ever said to a friend via Facebook is stored and can be read and searched by them. And by Facebook.

Re:Why I love Snapchat by Nadya on Thursday January 07, 2016 @07:11PM (#10861900)
There's a certain beauty behind transient moments. It follows a separate line of thinking than that of people used to keeping digital archives of their lives.

The Japanese cherry blossoms are a bittersweet moment during the spring. People go flower-watching (花見) to admire the beauty and it is a happy time. But it is also a sad time, because it is only for a fleeting moment before the time has gone and another year must pass before you can see them bloom.

What makes them so special is that they do no last forever. If the cherry blossoms were in bloom year-round, they would not be any less beautiful - but I do not think they would see as much popularity. They would become commonplace and ignored.

Not everything needs to live on forever - and some things would "suffer" if they did.

Re:Why I love Snapchat by sveit on Thursday January 07, 2016 @07:07PM (#10861875)
If you have a face-to-face conversation with a friend (assuming no eavesdropping devices are around) everything you say "self destructs". You'll feel freer to say certain things knowing that they will only persist in your friend's memory.
Re:Why I love Snapchat by superuser2 on Friday January 08, 2016 @01:57AM (#10863385)
People get sidetracked from actually enjoying their friends' virtual company when also given the role of curating/polishing an online presence. Not worrying about the impression your profile makes is freeing.
Re:Why I love Snapchat by andylei on Thursday January 07, 2016 @07:29PM (#10861999)
life is meaningless. everything is meaningless.
Re:Why I love Snapchat by engulfme on Thursday January 07, 2016 @07:30PM (#10862006)
It's not really intended for things you'd want to persist forever. If you'd like to, you can easily save the image or video. The idea is sharing your current experience with others in a way that you cannot really on Facebook or Instagram.
Re:Why I love Snapchat by flycaliguy on Thursday January 07, 2016 @10:15PM (#10862696)
No more fleeting then an unrecorded exchange between two people.
Re:Why I love Snapchat by nottheissue on Thursday January 07, 2016 @11:49PM (#10863008)
This appeal to the morality of empathy is actually not relevant to either the discussion or your comment.

>This kind of empathy with others will make you much more effective when you're creating for people who are not like you.

What you are describing is the action of gaining knowledge of other's likes/dislikes. This can be done entirely robotically i.e. completely without emotion. Knowing about others is only a part of empathy. The other part is actually exercising this emotion in your actions, choices, and interactions with other people.

I don't think not understanding snapchat (and not wanting to understand snapchat) is a display of a lack of empathy. There are many things that each of us choose not to spend time learning about. That is just a basic facet of life.

And, I find it extremely disingenuous to start blaming people of being "bad human beings" because they do not care to entertain themselves with a currently popular social application. Like really? Is this what we have lowered our discussion standards too?

This jump to appealing to some sort of moral high-ground to establish your point is logically fallacious at best. Especially when morality/ethics plays zero part in people's personal views/choices in regards to a topic e.g. this topic.

>make an effort to talk to people outside of your normal social circles once in a while.

You do realize that the majority of Snapchat's users are most likely using it to participate in THEIR social circles, right? To each their own. It's perfectly fine to NOT be in some social circles.

I am seriously amused that the top comment is an appeal to ethical standards in regards to people's personal opinions about an app. Very amused! :D

Re:Why I love Snapchat by mgalka on Friday January 08, 2016 @12:01AM (#10863039)
You should reread the comment. It doesn't say everyone needs to use Snapchat, just don't insist it's stupid merely because you don't understand it.
Re:Why I love Snapchat by nottheissue on Friday January 08, 2016 @12:45AM (#10863169)
I never called anything stupid. Nor is it the case that I don't understand the comment. You actually pointed out no problem with my comment specifically, you merely accused me of "not understanding" and needing to "reread" the comment. How very unempathetic and condescending of you.

I also never said that the comment was saying that "everyone needs to use snapchat".

Maybe you should either address specific points made in someone else's comment or avoid being outright rude in an otherwise intellectual and civil discussion? Just a thought.

EDIT: I also would expect discussions on a site like this to not devolve to false dichotomies of either total agreement or total disagreement with someone else's position (comment).

If you read my comment carefully you will easily discern that my focus is on the lack of necessity for bringing an appeal to "empathy" into the discussion.

Re:Why I love Snapchat by Tenhundfeld on Friday January 08, 2016 @02:34AM (#10863494)
I honestly cannot tell if you're trolling.

I don't see anyone appealing to a moral high-ground. You're the only one talking about ethics.

Let me distill the OP's comment for you: 1) A lot people seem to be complaining about Snapchat being confusing and saying there's something wrong with it, etc. 2) Yet Snapchat is extremely popular with certain groups. 3) If you want to understand why it's popular, try to understand the groups that are using it. 4) In general, that type of empathy (or the ability to understand and share another person's experiences and emotions) can be useful in helping you create things for other people who are dissimilar to you.

You're the only one talking about people being bad or good in relation to their understanding of Snapchat... unless comments have been edited or something.

And mgalka isn't saying you said it was stupid. He was paraphrasing the original argument, because he thought you didn't understand it. Bleh, this type of bickering is pointless, hence my troll suspicion.