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Re:The Surreal Story of StubHub Screwing Over a Kobe Fan by soneca on Thursday January 07, 2016 @10:46AM (#10858520)
Not sure you can hold a marketplace to the same standards of a company delivering its own product.

I don't need to reed any user agreement to know that. And Stubhub is clearly a marketplace. I would assume this site is just the same as eBay or Airbnb. I know that are some responsibilities of a marketplace, but I also know that I'm ultimately trusting the other transaction part (not the marketplace).

If I think this risk is too high, I don't use a marketplace (personally, I never bought anything through eBay or equivalents myself precisely because of this).

Re:The Surreal Story of StubHub Screwing Over a Kobe Fan by mikeash on Thursday January 07, 2016 @10:58AM (#10858621)
eBay takes complete responsibility for the transactions that they facilitate. eBay guarantees that your item will ship and be delivered within a certain time and will be as described. The seller can still mess with you, but the timeframe is limited and eBay will handle the dispute. AirBnB is more of a "sucks to be you" style when it comes to canceled reservations, which is pretty weak.
Re:The Surreal Story of StubHub Screwing Over a Kobe Fan by URSpider94 on Thursday January 07, 2016 @11:49AM (#10858978)
At the end of the day, the most eBay will do is make sure you get your money back if the seller doesn't deliver. That's exactly what StubHub did, AND they offered him hundreds in gift certificates as well.

The problem here is that getting one's money back doesn't feel like enough, because you're losing out on massive appreciation of the purchase between when you bought it and now.

This is one of the most difficult customer service issues to solve, because the cost to correct the situation in the customer's eyes has no upper bound.

Re:The Surreal Story of StubHub Screwing Over a Kobe Fan by mikeash on Thursday January 07, 2016 @12:07PM (#10859145)
With eBay the seller also has to deliver in a timely fashion. You're right, if they fail then the best that happens is you get your money back, but you find out reasonably quickly whether or not they're going to perform, and there's never any confusion about whether or not the transaction has completed.

So a big part of this problem is that StubHub is letting sellers cheat buyers out of massive appreciation by not giving them a reasonably deadline for delivery, nor penalizing the sellers for failing to perform.

The potential costs to correct the situation don't have to be an issue, because StubHub could conceivably push those costs onto the seller trying (and in this case apparently succeeding!) to cheat the system. They could write their seller contract to state that the seller is responsible for all costs borne by StubHub acquiring replacement tickets, and that would remove their incentive to pull stunts like this.

Re:The Surreal Story of StubHub Screwing Over a Kobe Fan by URSpider94 on Thursday January 07, 2016 @06:30PM (#10861651)
As others have mentioned, in many cases the seller doesn't physically have the tickets at the time of sale, and might only get them a few days before the game. Ticketmaster cooperates with venues to do this to -- dum dum dum -- avoid ticket resale. That's the problem.
Re:The Surreal Story of StubHub Screwing Over a Kobe Fan by mikeash on Thursday January 07, 2016 @07:17PM (#10861932)
If they're going to support such tickets then they need some big "seriously, deliver what you sold" penalties for bad sellers.
Re:The Surreal Story of StubHub Screwing Over a Kobe Fan by QuotedForTruth on Thursday January 07, 2016 @10:56AM (#10858603)
This would be fine if they weren't advertising a "Fan Protect Guarantee." They are offering additional safe guards or at least the appearance of them to encourage buyers to take on that risk. It is extremely shady when they then don't follow through.
Re:The Surreal Story of StubHub Screwing Over a Kobe Fan by mikeash on Thursday January 07, 2016 @11:00AM (#10858638)
They technically did follow through. Their guarantee is to provide comparable tickets or a refund. Comparable tickets were not available (because their idea of "comparable" includes "at the same price," ha ha ha) and they provided a refund.
Re:The Surreal Story of StubHub Screwing Over a Kobe Fan by Dylan16807 on Thursday January 07, 2016 @12:52PM (#10859471)
They did not follow through on actually protecting the fans, just restoring the original money. They are presenting the appearance that they will ensure the purchase, while the terms actually promise no such thing.
Re:The Surreal Story of StubHub Screwing Over a Kobe Fan by mikeash on Thursday January 07, 2016 @02:45PM (#10860205)
Yeah, the "Fan Protect Guarantee" is more like "Fan Protect Guarantee Unless The Price Goes Up A Lot."
Re:The Surreal Story of StubHub Screwing Over a Kobe Fan by DrScump on Thursday January 07, 2016 @10:26PM (#10862728)
This.

The old Stubhub (pre-eBay) made a BIG deal of denied-at-door situations, and local managers had broad discretion to source replacement tickets, even at higher cost.

Nowadays, they realize that doing so is not profitable in the short term.

Re:The Surreal Story of StubHub Screwing Over a Kobe Fan by URSpider94 on Thursday January 07, 2016 @06:32PM (#10861668)
What? A company oversold its guarantee by using creative definitions?

Next thing you know, people are going to start offering a lifetime guarantee that's only good for the lifetime of the product! ;)