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Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by lvspiff on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @01:17PM (#10779317)
Working at a public university I can say the recent move towards "contact us" pricing without including ANY pricing information has led to us not being able to look at many products. The way it works in my state is unless the vendor is already licensed with the university I'm not allowed to contact the vendor except to get a quote. If you start to give me a sales pitch asking questions about needs I am going to cut you off and hang up because its illegal for me to work with the vendor prior to an agreement in place. If your product is over 25K then I have to conduct an RFP which then means your company gets to make a pitch on paper and good luck convincing your product that I want is better than no name product I've never heard of from Oracle/IBM because they can undercut you because procurement has no clue what features/setup costs will be additional in their product that isn't in yours. They just go with what is cheaper.

On the other hand you give me up front on your website 1 user pricing I can take that public information and multiply it by the number we need, send it up the chain, make a convincing argument for sole sourcing, and then you will suddenly look like heroes with procurement because they were able to get it "so much cheaper" because I just multiplied what it cost for 1 * 30,000 (e.x.: number of students).

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by voltagex_ on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @04:14PM (#10780434)
Agreed - people are going to face a lot of the same issues in any state or federal government organisation in many parts of the world.

If SpaceX posts pricing publicly [1], you really have no excuse as a tiny SaaS startup.

[1]: http://www.spacex.com/about/capabilities

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by vehementi on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @11:02PM (#10781876)
I can't find the link but the reason pricing is hidden is because you do this

"It costs $10,000" ...if they don't balk: "per month" ...if they don't balk: "per user" ...if they don't balk: "per CPU"

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by retube on Wednesday December 23, 2015 @03:40AM (#10782503)
... if they don't balk: "per register" ;)
Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by noahmbarr on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @06:22PM (#10781043)
There's a reason prices are always hidden in jewelry store display windows. There's a little price tag on each item, but it's always tucked out of sight.

IMHO, there's pro's/con's to publicly listed pricing. There's definitely no hard and fast rule. Some con's to consider: [1] It anchors prospects at certain price points (can be good and bad), [2] It might scare people off before you can value sell them and justify your pricing.

With enterprise SaaS, it entirely depends on: [1] what you're selling, [2] who you're selling to, and [3] the buyers' journey you're looking to accommodate / create.

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by XorNot on Wednesday December 23, 2015 @12:10AM (#10782076)
WOW.

I did not know they did this. But that is awesome. When trying to buy things even with a substantial budget in research, "contact us" was the most irritating thing - I don't need the damn up sell, but I do need to know whether you're thinking 10k or 50k.

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by jandrese on Wednesday December 23, 2015 @12:08PM (#10784283)
I hate when the salesguys are then put off because you made them go through the apparently difficult process of generating a quote and then didn't buy their product.

If you had given me even a ballpark price up front I wouldn't have wasted your salesman's time!

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by caseysoftware on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @01:55PM (#10779540)
Great points. I've also seen another pattern with per user or consumption-based systems...

When something is low enough to experiment with and still fall into the "petty cash" area, an employee can buy a little (or for a month) and test it out. If they're somewhat successful, they can expand it out to their immediate team, still with a tiny budget. As they prove out usefulness/value and expand their users/usage, obviously the cost goes up.

But by the time they have to "Get Approval" from someone really high up - like a VP or procurement group - they have X users or Y months of success. Selling it to the higher ups then becomes easier and a more likely sale.

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by douche on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @02:09PM (#10779619)
That was pretty much the Yammer sales strategy, as I observed it. Infiltrate the customer by making it free and easy to sign up an organization, build a user base organically, without having to involve those controlling the purse-strings. Eventually, there's enough people using it that compliance and security becomes an issue, and the business sort of has to pay for the enterprise support to CYA.
Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by troels on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @04:43PM (#10780583)
Credit where credit due - I think Basecamp were one of the early ones to perfect this strategy.
Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by DenisM on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @07:07PM (#10781209)
It's an old hat trick. VP of MS SQL Server was telling the same story about MSSQL around 1999 at a division meeting. For on-premises products it's even more sticky.
Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by enraged_camel on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @02:36PM (#10779818)
Context: I work for a professional services firm. We sell, implement and customize enterprise software for large organizations, including public universities.

We NEVER provide pricing upfront. This is despite the fact that our software vendors have their prices listed clearly on their pricesheets. We know the price of a user license. But the first time our clients see the price is after we've performed our due diligence, learned the ins and outs of their business, and are sitting in front of their C-level people presenting the final proposal along with the Scope of Work document that outlines implementation details.

The reason we don't provide prices upfront is because it commoditizes the software and therefore our skills and services. It encourages clients to do an extremely shallow feature-by-feature comparison of the competing products. Doing that makes sense when purchasing commodities such as toothpaste or laundry detergent. You can look at two products at the shelf, compare their features, and go with the one that you think is better based on the messaging on the package ("25% more whitening power!"). But enterprise software is not like that. It is very complex and the price of the software is often only a small part of the final price, which is frankly unknown at the start of the engagement. That's why me giving you pricing information wouldn't help you one bit (in fact it could make you look bad to your superiors when the final price is several times higher than what you gave them originally).

Here's the thing: most of our clients LIKE the fact that we don't discuss price upfront. They understand that software is a different beast, and its value is dependent upon how well it fits into and/or can be molded into the needs of the business. Only very inexperienced purchasers push us for price, and over the years we've found ways of disarming or at least sidestepping them.

The bottom line is that companies who provide price upfront end up competing on price. And history has shown us that that's a race to the bottom.

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by rsync on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @03:30PM (#10780199)
"Here's the thing: most of our clients LIKE the fact that we don't discuss price upfront. They understand that software is a different beast, and its value is dependent upon how well it fits into and/or can be molded into the needs of the business. Only very inexperienced purchasers push us for price, and over the years we've found ways of disarming or at least sidestepping them."

I am not sure which side of that interaction to hold in more contempt ...

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by dikdik on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @04:34PM (#10780544)
This carrot peeler has a variable value to customer, dependent on how much the customer will use it. We won't put the price out there until we know how valuable it is to our customer.

LOL.

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by enraged_camel on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @04:57PM (#10780651)
Nope.

A better analogy is a toolbox. That's our combined product and service offerings. While each toolbox has ~50 different tools, most customers end up needing only a subset. Furthermore, they need each tool to be customized to their specific use case. So we use our technical skills and knowledge to modify those tools, package them and offer them as a customized solution.

That's why it would be silly for us to say "each toolbox costs X dollars." Each solution has a different price depending on what the customer wants to get out of it.

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by friendzis on Wednesday December 23, 2015 @03:17AM (#10782451)
Your arguments are against providing exact pricing, that are rather obvious. The discussion seems to be about ballpark estimates. I'm not sure how to display this, but something along the lines seems reasonable: "Moderate installation at local high-school should fall under 1M, while a state University might get basic feature-set for 10M". Large enterprises have whole departments for price-bargaining, but the smaller ones and especially public ones want to know the ballpark before issuing an RFP
Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by jsmeaton on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @06:55PM (#10781162)
By the sound of it, your pricing strategy makes sense for the kind of product or service you sell. By comparison, a company selling a single product should (in my opinion) have pricing available for at least their smaller tiers.

Professional services and a single SaaS product are very different.

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by paulddraper on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @11:34PM (#10781975)
Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by lifeisstillgood on Wednesday December 23, 2015 @02:58AM (#10782423)
Perfect
Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by enraged_camel on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @04:16PM (#10780449)
Not sure I understand. Can you elaborate?
Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by dsacco on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @03:19PM (#10780134)
The bottom line is that companies who provide price upfront end up competing on price. And history has shown us that that's a race to the bottom.

As a counterpoint to this, my cofounder and I have been very successful with our own security consulting firm with the opposite philosophy. We have not found transparent pricing to be an obstacle in landing lucrative clients. I also haven't seen any race to the bottom of "commiditization" in our industry. One of our closest competitors also publicly lists weekly rates.

I don't know that they care one way or another. It's not as though we champion transparent pricing in our sales pitch - it's simply one more available piece of information on our website. Potential clients still need to contact us, they just know what to expect. We haven't found that we have pressure to reduce our prices or compete on price as a result. Granted, we cater to more YC companies than we do Fortune 500s, but we still serve both, and the firm does very well.

The vast majority of our work comes in through referrals, which probably changes things a bit. I think there is merit in either approach, enough that it's not fair to say one definitively causes this or that as a result.

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by totalrobe on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @03:43PM (#10780273)
I'm not sure this is a great comparison.

Consulting rates and enterprise software pricing are two different beasts, especially when hosting infrastructure is involved...

On top of this, enterprise buyers are not always going to be sophisticated enough to determine whether their business requirement means they need module a or b or feature x vs. y from a random enterprise suite.

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by enraged_camel on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @04:28PM (#10780511)
Commoditization is not going to be an issue in highly technical fields such as security consulting, which is why your approach works for you.

In our field though, there are a lot of competing products, and a lot of them are either free or very cheap. And at a high level, they have similar "features" and "benefits". But once you get down to the nitty-gritty, there are tons of differences. That's why we spend a lot of time and effort educating our clients on those differences. We have to demonstrate the value first before providing the price in order to avoid sticker-shock.

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by dsacco on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @04:31PM (#10780526)
That's a fair point. I misunderstood you, I thought your firm was also providing technical consulting, not SaaS products.
Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by phoogathrw on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @07:22PM (#10781271)
>Here's the thing: most of our clients LIKE the fact that we don't discuss price upfront.

Sorry, but absent reliable data, I'm calling BS here: I've never, ever met someone who likes having to call some random salesman to get a price and figure out if the service is even within a order of magnitude of their budget.

In fact, most people I know detest those kinds of games.

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by jarcoal on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @07:33PM (#10781319)
My experiences mirror the OP, in fact I even had a prospect tell me recently they were thrilled I didn't jump right into pricing/licenses.

Most are not calling to get a price, they're calling to learn more about the software to make sure it's a fit.

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by phoogathrw on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @07:42PM (#10781356)
Have you considered that your customer might have just been telling you what you wanted to hear in the hopes of getting a discount?
Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by tacticus on Wednesday December 23, 2015 @01:59AM (#10782316)
or the customers that just skip them to a supplier with less contempt for their users
Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by coderdude on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @08:47PM (#10781549)
I'm bugged if I have to hop on the phone to talk to someone about something I saw on their website. That's about as un-Internet as you can get. You might as well ask me to send you a postcard.
Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by thisone on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @04:26PM (#10780498)
After a few interactions with enterprise "call us" pricing that went crazy and one where the quote went from £10k per seat to £1.5k per seat (for the exact same fit out), I always feel like I'm about to get screwed when I pick up the phone.
Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by lvspiff on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @03:14PM (#10780086)
Totally understand and agree with your observations as a pro services firm. That is the funniest part of the university I work at - say your company implements a solution for us like Product X. Well then all the sudden we can explore your ENTIRE product/service catalog with you without consequence because we have an agreement with you (for whatever). So even though you sold us product X we can also look into service Y where I'm not as concerned with cost but getting the right one. To say however they LIKE not discussing price upfront seems a bit disingenuous - yes I would want to discuss the service first but I am going to want an idea of what its going to cost to put that into my budget/grant/etc to see if it fits, especially if funded by the state. My university may be different though as I've found out many times over.

I imagine getting that first contract though wasn't easy - as that initial connection had to likely come through an RFP? and what is the ratio of RFP submission to actual customer?

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by enraged_camel on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @04:16PM (#10780443)
>>yes I would want to discuss the service first but I am going to want an idea of what its going to cost to put that into my budget/grant/etc to see if it fits

That's the thing though: it's an extremely wide range. For example, anywhere from $25,000 to over $1,000,000. It's impossible to say upfront whether it will fit your budget.

The reason we take a consultative approach (as opposed to a traditional sales approach and leading with the price) is because we want you, the customer, to control the scope of the project. We work with you to understand your requirements, then prepare a preliminary proposal and SOW with the price. You can then say, "well, this is a bit out of our budget, but maybe we can postpone features X and Y until the next phase" and we go back and forth until the final scope and associated price are acceptable to you.

I can't disclose our ratio of RFP submission to customer. But the thing about RFPs is that they are rarely objective. In the vast majority of cases, the client's preferred vendor helps the client write the RFP. And in a lot of cases we end up being that vendor, because the clients trust us after seeing our methodology.

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by lvspiff on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @05:11PM (#10780721)
>>In the vast majority of cases, the client's preferred vendor helps the client write the RFP

Thats surprising - In my state (NV) someone would be fired for that as it would be considered collusion.

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by enraged_camel on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @06:56PM (#10781167)
That's what many people think, but it's actually not true (at least not in the states I've worked in). There's a cottage industry that provides advice on how to navigate through the RFP process, and a lot of the advice is based on controlling what goes into the RFP when it is written. Take a look at this set of slides:

http://www.slideshare.net/pmcloughlin1/how-to-help-your-cust...

The most important thing to understand about RFPs is that they aren't designed for making the "most fair" selection. They are designed for making the "safest" selection. An RFP is basically a CYA (cover your ass) mechanism for the procurement team. That's why collaborating with preferred vendors when the RFP is being written is a very common practice. Teams writing the RFPs rarely have the subject matter expertise necessary. So they receive help (which is a good thing).

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by patrickmclaren on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @06:06PM (#10780992)
I wonder if withholding pricing information is simply a negotiation tactic that exploits the sunk cost fallacy. If not, funnel conversion rates should be invariant of the stage at which pricing is disclosed, right?
Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by frik on Wednesday December 23, 2015 @02:29AM (#10782377)
> But enterprise software is not like that. It is very complex.

That's exactly why SaaS disrupt traditional enterprise on-premises software - too complex (installation, user interface), too expensive upfront.

If the software requires no 3 weeks installation phase, no handbook nor training and costs a fraction of the usual 100k to 1m, like $200/host/month, then there is often a clear winner.

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by barrkel on Wednesday December 23, 2015 @03:27AM (#10782476)
I work for an SaaS startup selling into the financial sector. We started out with a different kind of pricing model, based on volume; a simple formula based on data throughput. It didn't survive our first sale.

Selling to large entities, even SaaS, still involves negotiation. Often the large customer wants some key features; sometimes it's a checkbox feature, sometimes it's to disarm antibodies inside the organization, sometimes it's something they actually need for a business requirement. That work needs to be priced in.

And there's the other side of it: different organizations get different amounts of value from our software. If we don't charge organizations who get more value more money, we're leaving profit on the table. Even shrinkwrapped software back in the day had segmented offerings to capture more value. And when you're selling to large organizations, which will necessarily involve multiple salespeople and a bunch of meetings (i.e. scope for fine-grained segmentation without confusing proliferation of products), if you don't charge different prices to different organizations, you're an idiot.

If anything, this way of selling is better for smaller organizations than the segmented approach. Even if we can't charge more, all customers at least get the same product.

That's not to say that volume and data throughput doesn't form a part of the price calculation. But it's a multiplier where the base price is based on the value delivered, which is business dependent.

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by Johnny555 on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @10:41PM (#10781813)
Even in the private sector, I assume that "call for pricing" is another way to say "If you have to ask, you can't afford it", and I often skip those vendors if I can't find even ballpark pricing - just tell me if it's $5 a seat or $500 a seat we can work out the exact pricing later.
Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by lifeisstillgood on Tuesday December 22, 2015 @08:50PM (#10781560)
My takeaway - have a gov/edu pricing section that is clear, RFQ friendly, aimed at internal "champions" and absolutely unconnected to the prices I will charge enterprises

really useful insight thanks

Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by pbreit on Wednesday December 23, 2015 @12:03AM (#10782059)
That's a problem with your university, not "contact us" pricing.
Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by noja on Wednesday December 23, 2015 @04:21AM (#10782599)
It's a problem for the SaaS vendors who are missing out on public sector contracts.
Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by notahacker on Wednesday December 23, 2015 @04:34AM (#10782627)
It's a problem for the university if the procurement rules really are that explicit and dumb. I mean, just imagine what you'd get if you need custom work done and had to put the phone down on anybody that has the temerity to try to discuss scope with you. "We had to turn down all these companies with relevant expertise because they wanted to talk to us, but it's OK, we've found a price for this guy on Elance and he's $5 per hour. We're not sure how long he'll take but he's definitely the cheapest option."
Re:I analyzed 250 SaaS pricing pages by pbreit on Wednesday December 23, 2015 @07:08PM (#10786384)
If that is the customer mentality, I'm not sure they are missing out. Problematic customers can be death.