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Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by z0r on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @05:32PM (#10584481)
That image in the article makes it look like a terrible place to work: http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/56495c0e112314ef038...
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by ryanSrich on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @06:41PM (#10584846)
That's literally the scene of almost any SV startup. They don't "do" remote. Nor work life balance. It's all about asses in seats. Stay very clear of a work environment like that.
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by jkestner on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @07:28PM (#10585057)
The way I hear it from reading here, most SV startups spend too much of their funding on beautiful offices and amenities to encourage work as a lifestyle. That also gets a backlash. No blanket statement covers all situations or people—maybe some of those requirements are necessary for a given startup at a given time.
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by cballard on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @07:11PM (#10584982)
This, albeit without the mess, is my current office setup. I can't quit as I've only been here 8 months, so I'm waiting to complete a full year.

Sort of hoping the company just runs out of money so that I can have a free out.

Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by joncalhoun on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @07:23PM (#10585030)
Would you pay money to exercise those options?

If you don't expect them to succeed then staying a full year for the options is pretty pointless, since they typically expire in ~90 days after you quit.

Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by cballard on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @07:28PM (#10585065)
No - staying primarily to avoid the "job hopper" label, and to finish documentation coverage so that I can avoid burning bridges as much as possible - I am solely responsible for the portion of the product that I work on, no one else at the company even knows the language it's written in (which isn't particularly obscure). There's no way they'll be able to hire a replacement within two weeks, so documentation will be all they have to go on.
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by sumedh on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @10:57PM (#10585821)
So who made the decision to go with that language?
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by cballard on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @01:12AM (#10586264)
Apple? NeXT, I suppose?
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by yuhong on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @10:02PM (#10585639)
Which also reminds me of the famous Quora fiasco: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-way-to-start-my-caree...
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by AndrewKemendo on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @08:11PM (#10585251)
We are a remote team. I talked with a VERY PROMINENT VC not long ago and he had this to say about it:

It’s probably also worth mentioning that we have a bit of a bias against distributed teams, based on previous investment experience.

Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by to3m on Thursday November 19, 2015 @06:49AM (#10594231)
Our research on the relationship between employee proximity and shareholder returns suggests suggests that optimal return will result from compressing employees into a hypersolid. 0.01mm^3 of employees could then generate between $10e788 and $11e788. Despite the massive energy requirements, ROI is still substantially positive, but gravitational effects at this scale make safe containment tricky.

When optimizing for input cost, a reasonable solution for most purposes turns out to be: pack them like battery hens.

Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by Nicholas_C on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @08:48PM (#10585388)
What was their previous investment experience with remote teams?
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by tarr11 on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @08:57PM (#10585421)
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by AndrewKemendo on Wednesday November 18, 2015 @01:10AM (#10586255)
They didn't expand on it.
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by lyricalpanda on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @07:42PM (#10585129)
I have a feeling that you don't really know much about SV startups.
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by ryanSrich on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @07:48PM (#10585141)
Quite the contrary really. I've done contract and full time work for several (5) SV companies as well as countless interviews with 10s of others. My experiences have been fairly consistent.
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by colmvp on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @08:01PM (#10585206)
I work remotely for a SV startup. And no one on the team works stupidly crazy hours. That's why anecdata is so misleading.
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by FLGMwt on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @08:57PM (#10585420)
+1 for my new favorite term "anecdata"

I'd be interested to hear your bullet points on working remotely for a SV startup. Work/life balance, perceived differences from onprem workers, etc.

Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by astrange on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @07:59PM (#10585196)
This is the office layout used by just about any company at all in Asia (Japan at least).
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by shostack on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @05:38PM (#10584524)
Yikes...tend to agree. Can't imagine how I'd get anything done in such a cramped, open environment like that. Way too many distractions.

Also couldn't help but notice the "Work Hard" poster in the background. Hopefully the subtext that is too small to make out is something that makes it sound less severe than it seems on the surface.

Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by stillsut on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @06:34PM (#10584816)
Dudes, I don't think this Google Search here.

Say you're one of the 75 people they hired this quarter. Do you know what fields are mandatory on the 179c form in Maryland? No. Does one of those people around the table know it? Hopefully yes.

This is a multi-thousand person company to do something that has zero CS challenge to it. You need people constantly communicating changing business requirements and teaching each other evolving internal tools. If you have to get up and [guiltily] knock on someone's door to find this stuff out, the real work is going to suffer.

Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by bsg75 on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @08:45PM (#10585375)
If domain knowledge is primarily accessed by vocal broadcast to everyone in the room, your business is in trouble.
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by ludr on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @05:48PM (#10584586)
Underneath it says "& be nice to people".
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by joezydeco on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @06:19PM (#10584744)
Does the text size imply the priority?
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by gravity13 on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @07:12PM (#10584987)
uhh, don't know what beach you guys are working from, but I appreciate a strong 'Work hard' vibe, myself.

You want a chilled out work-to-life ratio, there's a number of places out there for you. Hell, some of them are startups. But part of the appeal of working at a startup is that you gotta get shit done.

Work hard and be nice to people. Not a bad thing to see on your wall.

Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by joezydeco on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @09:49PM (#10585603)
But part of the appeal of working at a startup is that you gotta get shit done

Agreed, but it's a bit gauche to hang a sign on the wall stating the obvious. Unless you're running, say, a kindergarten class.

Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by Someone1234 on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @05:46PM (#10584570)
Nice equipment, but yeah that seems really unpleasant/unproductive.

Random aside: I hate those lights so much. They often give me migraines as they reach the end of their life. Fortunately they have defused LEDs where I currently work which don't have the same issue (and are actually white not orange/yellow).

I want to work somewhere (aside from home) where I can work in the dark. We occasionally get power cuts (and our generator doesn't power the main lights, only emergency lights and equipment) and it is the most pleasant day ever...

http://i.imgur.com/UUw0ANK.jpg

Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by jmspring on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @06:08PM (#10584681)
That looks worse than some call centers I've seen. I'm not sure how they expect engineers to get any work done in those situations. That looks like "open office" taken to it's worst possible conclusion.
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by duiker101 on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @05:37PM (#10584516)
Well, apparently for them it's way easier to aquire people than space, I mean, in the last quarter they hired 350 people, and since 1st November 75. That's like 3 people a day? Sounds crazy to me! With such a hire rate the quality must be going down at least a bit, and I can't even imagine what the on-boarding must look like, they just point at a desk(or a corner of one) and leave you at your own devices...

I might be wrong... but I would be surprised if I am very far from the truth.

Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by redthrowaway on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @05:42PM (#10584545)
It took us 6 months to find, renovate, and move into a new office. If they're adding as many people as they claim, that's more than enough time to go from "we're going to need to upsize soon" to "we needed to upsize months ago".
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by Someone1234 on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @05:49PM (#10584592)
Seems like a potential startup opportunity.

We already have shared buildings but often these places are "bare bones." Maybe someone needs to have the building kitted out (phones, internet, desks, chairs, etc) allowing a startup to move in and be up-and-running within a day.

I know around here they have a couple of those, they're expensive, but they do what they say on the tin.

Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by toomuchtodo on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @05:55PM (#10584623)
Or just onboard remote workers?
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by Someone1234 on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @06:03PM (#10584655)
But businesses hate doing that since then you cannot micro-manage!

PS - But seriously, it boils down to "how do you measure programmer's productivity" which is still an open question.

Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by Jemaclus on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @07:45PM (#10585137)
I interviewed there this summer, and as the recruiter was giving me a tour, I pretty much decided I wasn't interested. It was just desks as far as the eye could see. It just looked like the SV version of a sweat shop.
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by rfjedwards on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @05:37PM (#10584517)
Especially with that poster in the background where the only visible part is "WORK HARD"
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by 20years on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @07:33PM (#10585086)
Wow that looks like a nightmare. If I went into that space for an interview, I would runaway quick. I wonder if most of their employees are support. I can't imagine getting any kind of dev work done in that environment.
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by FLGMwt on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @08:53PM (#10585403)
Hah, this image made me realize that the iconic Burrill "Work Hard and Be Nice To People" looks a little more sweatshoppy when all you can see is the "WORK HARD" part and a crowded office.
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by ljk on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @05:37PM (#10584520)
small desks + stacks of mess... i'll take my cubicle over "open office!"
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by rch on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @05:58PM (#10584635)
And I'll take my office, thanks.
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by larrywright on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @10:32PM (#10585740)
That is awful. Are there people who enjoy working in places like this?
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by jstalin on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @06:47PM (#10584866)
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by ceejayoz on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @07:20PM (#10585013)
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by theklub on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @07:02PM (#10584934)
Yeh that's terrible
Re:Zenefits CEO responds to rumors of company's struggles by choward on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @06:29PM (#10584795)
I know. Phones? Wtf?