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Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by jacoblyles on Friday December 11, 2009 @01:58PM (#990217)
I applaud the authors for attempting a new kind of data visualization. However, I find two major flaws in the graph:

1) Because the perimeter of a circle grows as a function of the radius, an arc must grow just to represent the same share. This is misleading, giving an impression of growth where there is none.

2) It is difficult to tell which arcs on one side of the circle go with arcs on other parts of the circle. There is simply too much distance between them to judge accurately which arcs belong to the same time period.

Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by sp332 on Friday December 11, 2009 @02:04PM (#990231)
Yeah, but then the graph wouldn't look like a Firefox logo :)
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by drhowarddrfine on Friday December 11, 2009 @02:20PM (#990262)
Yep. This is brilliant!
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by InclinedPlane on Friday December 11, 2009 @02:08PM (#990234)
This is misleading, giving an impression of growth where there is none.

But there is growth. Perhaps it's the static percentage based graph that's misleading, I find this graph of more or less the same data rather intriguing:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3328/3421742213_db946c5ddf_o....

Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by mbrubeck on Friday December 11, 2009 @02:19PM (#990255)
And since the absolute total has grown close to linearly, the tree rings are not that misleading after all.
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by jacoblyles on Friday December 11, 2009 @02:27PM (#990278)
Is the market really growing by 2 x PI x the width of one of their slices? That would be quite the coincidence.

Your link is much easier to read.

Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by Periodic on Friday December 11, 2009 @02:49PM (#990310)
The market doesn't have to grow by 2 * PI anything. It's just a constant. Since the radius grows linearly, you can map any linearly growing series of data and you'll find it looks good in this presentation format.
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by jacoblyles on Friday December 11, 2009 @02:54PM (#990322)
You're right, just need to multiply by some scaling factor, as long as the growth stays linear.
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by Dilpil on Friday December 11, 2009 @09:41PM (#991034)
So the way to resolve this would be to calculate the total users for each browser each year, and scale that entire ring outwards.
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by iamwil on Friday December 11, 2009 @03:12PM (#990358)
Not only that, but the dataset doesn't have even time spacing. In the earlier years, it skipped a couple months, and only recently did it start to do every month.

However, that's not reflected in the visualization, and we're lead to believe that this is sampled with even steps over time.

Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by maudineormsby on Friday December 11, 2009 @03:09PM (#990352)
Keep in mind that this is a tech demo used to show a visualization of someone else's data (W3C in this case). So the author likely cared a lot more for visual appear and demonstrating functionality than for the way the graph might be interpreted.
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by Periodic on Friday December 11, 2009 @02:51PM (#990316)
The growth of the size of an arc is only misleading because the graph naturally draws you to compare different browsers as a percentage of the market.

Since the market has grown basically linearly, the arcs may actually be in direct proportion to the actual number of users, in which case there is very real growth.

The confusion comes when you see growth of absolute terms when the more interesting statistic is what the relative growth is.

Particularly, if one browser's arc remained the same size on each ring you might assume that it is staying the same. It has the same number of users, but it is losing prominence.

Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by jasford on Friday December 11, 2009 @05:54PM (#990705)
Then again, the number of users on the Internet has grown every year, so even if a browser just held its % market share steady, that would mean an increase in quantity of users.
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by aristus on Friday December 11, 2009 @03:10PM (#990354)
This graph does not repeat not show global browser market share. It is for traffic to the w3.org website. Any comparisons to global browser trends (PI*2 growth, etc) or "wars" is not meaningful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers

Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by butterfi on Friday December 11, 2009 @05:19PM (#990645)
Interesting! The title is a bit vague for me -- when I think browser wars, I think of the mid 90's. This graph kind of picks up in the middle of story. It's like skipping "The Fellowship of the Ring" and going straight to "The Two Towers."
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by sosuke on Friday December 11, 2009 @02:16PM (#990251)
Why don't these graphs ever break down into the major versions of Firefox? I know there is still testing done on 1.5, 2.x and then of course 3.x as the current version. Why break down IE, Opera and Netscape but not Firefox or Safari?
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by maukdaddy on Friday December 11, 2009 @02:34PM (#990288)
Because it makes the Firefox share look larger.
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by mbrubeck on Friday December 11, 2009 @03:08PM (#990348)
It seems to be based on this dataset, which doesn't provide a breakdown of Firefox versions: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

Note that this is from w3schools.com, not w3.org (a completely different site). This is for a web developer audience, so it kind of makes sense; from a developer point of view there are much bigger differences in standards compliance between IE versions than between Firefox versions. But mostly they just seem to want to keep a small number of columns on that page.

Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by micrypt on Saturday December 12, 2009 @08:30AM (#991494)
It also appears like Chrome is eating into Firefox's market share.
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by jswinghammer on Friday December 11, 2009 @02:19PM (#990256)
Maybe the assumption is that people are just auto-updating these.
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by lmkg on Friday December 11, 2009 @02:26PM (#990272)
They stopped breaking down opera after 8.
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by ErrantX on Friday December 11, 2009 @02:34PM (#990287)
It will be interesting to see if Chrome retains it's growth.

Also an nice reminder of how fast Mozilla/Firefox grew initially as well - I thought Chrome was exploding on the scene and had forgotten how fast FF took a decent market share. A neat reminder not to wear rose tinted specs.

Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by bradgessler on Friday December 11, 2009 @04:00PM (#990453)
Very cool; however if you look at the graph is seems like Firefox is the dominant browser because they did not seperate our the versions of Firefox (or not show versions of IE)
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by est on Friday December 11, 2009 @02:00PM (#990221)
Best demoed with Axiis :)

But I found a 404 in the examples page:

http://www.axiis.org/examples/HClusterColumnExamplee.html

Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by fnid on Friday December 11, 2009 @03:55PM (#990445)
This is actually just a sample for an open source visualization library. Look through the other samples. They are interesting. Wish it wasn't flash, but still nice nonetheless.

http://www.axiis.org/examples.html

Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by ez77 on Friday December 11, 2009 @07:27PM (#990878)
Firefox has a 47.4% marketshare as of August 2009??? Does anybody know what sources were used? It would be nice to see the same graph but this time with real data...
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by selven on Saturday December 12, 2009 @08:38AM (#991502)
It's about which websites you're checking. On, say, cnn.com you might get a more IE-centric audience. On places like Slashdot, Linux would have a higher market share than IE. It's extremely difficult to make an accurate census of who is using what on their computers.
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by gaborcselle on Friday December 11, 2009 @04:32PM (#990552)
Chrome has 7% market share? I'm a Chrome user myself but that number is much higher than I expected. What's the source for growth? (those YouTube videos maybe?)
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by NikkiA on Saturday December 12, 2009 @08:12AM (#991483)
Doesn't surprise me at all, Google has the advantage that MS has - 'Brand Awareness' - Joe Q Public sees Firefox and sees a brand with no trust backing, unless they've already been preached to by a geek friend, but they see 'Google Chrome' and know that they trust Google/YouTube.

It doesn't really help firefox that many of us geeks are switching to Chrome|Chromium|Iron for various reasons, too.

Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by staunch on Friday December 11, 2009 @11:48PM (#991176)
I think (maybe) that Google advertises it to IE users on the front page at times (all the time for IE6 users?).
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by DanBlake on Saturday December 12, 2009 @05:57AM (#991413)
Smells like bullshit. Firefox doesnt have more usage than IE. Must be traffic to one website, not global usage.
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by elblanco on Friday December 11, 2009 @09:24PM (#991015)
It's cool, but probably would have worked better laid out in a stacked bar chart with x being the time axis.
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by johnl on Friday December 11, 2009 @09:45PM (#991040)
Neat. They should add a 3rd dimension with market size as ring size.
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by waleedka on Friday December 11, 2009 @05:26PM (#990661)
Does that image look like the Chrome logo, or it just me? :)
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by timwiseman on Friday December 11, 2009 @06:21PM (#990760)
I thought it looked a lot like the Firefox logo. I suspect it is like a Rorshach test and the resemblances we find say more about use than the image.
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by madh on Saturday December 12, 2009 @12:38PM (#991724)
I would have liked to see it start earlier, say 1997 or so.
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by yason on Friday December 11, 2009 @02:45PM (#990304)
Coincidentally, it looks quite like Firefox's logo to me ;)
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by wensing on Friday December 11, 2009 @04:09PM (#990485)
Can't wait until IE9, IE10, IE11 ...
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by Raphael on Friday December 11, 2009 @06:25PM (#990766)
Don't hold your breath.
Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by gcb on Friday December 11, 2009 @03:12PM (#990356)
what happened in early 2008?

the empty space, which i believe is "other browsers" grow a lot then.

Re:The Browser Wars - Visualized as Tree Rings by misuba on Friday December 11, 2009 @05:05PM (#990619)
not quite as much as it did in 2006, but yeah. anyone have memories of what was going on in extremely-alternative browsers around these times?