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Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by aaronbrethorst on Monday September 29, 2014 @02:14AM (#8381850)
I don't think it's a glum sign. They're still selling for a significant margin over what retail prices will be. And if you, as a prospective buyer, only need to wait a couple more weeks to get your hands on one[1], why would you pay double retail price?

[1] http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/09/27/apple-expected-to-...

Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by wodenokoto on Monday September 29, 2014 @03:59AM (#8382013)
You don't pay double to get the phone. You pay double to get the phone before everybody else. Wealthy Chinese are notorious for showing off their wealth.
Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by xbmcuser on Monday September 29, 2014 @02:18AM (#8381863)
So far Apple has been able to stay out of the race to the bottom when it comes to prices of its devices. And it did not look that the price of its devices was going to slow its sales much. I have always believed the 2 year contract system with small upfront cost has helped Apple move devices a lot in the US. And without 2 year contracts it would not dominate as much as it does.
Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by r00fus on Monday September 29, 2014 @03:20AM (#8381954)
> So far Apple has been able to stay out of the race to the bottom when it comes to prices of its devices.

In fact, with increased memory (128GB) and the new 6+ form factor and pricing (i.e., $100 more), the ASP of an Apple device may actually climb.

Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by contingencies on Monday September 29, 2014 @04:33AM (#8382079)
My wife and I were in the market for a phone and wandered around a large phone market in a second tier city two weeks ago. We considered the top end Samsung and Apples, but eventually bought a Xiaomi for under 900RMB ($145). It has a decent camera, a fast processor, dual SIMs. I would have preferred a FirefoxOS device but there's none available here yet.
Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by seanmcdirmid on Monday September 29, 2014 @04:38AM (#8382088)
Not to mention Xiaomi has the best copy of iOS look and feel that you can buy.
Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by contingencies on Monday September 29, 2014 @02:54PM (#8384517)
I think this is a foreign media myth. It's Android through and through, very obviously. Honestly, I have no idea how anyone could confuse it with an attempt at iOS copying, it's has zero similarity to my eye.
Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by seanmcdirmid on Monday September 29, 2014 @04:29PM (#8385095)
the copying is overt, the only people denying it are xiaomi themselves. They obviously can't enter western markets with their products as is, the lawsuits would be too easy.
Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by purpletoned on Monday September 29, 2014 @08:14AM (#8382538)
While that is true, why would you assume that the poster bought the phone for that reason? He might have bought the phone for any number of reasons such as the low price, decent specs etc.
Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by seanmcdirmid on Monday September 29, 2014 @09:14AM (#8382754)
A big part of the xiaomi experience is decent (if somewhat copied) industrial design and UX, otherwise many cheap android Chinese phones can be bought with decent specs.
Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by nicholassmith on Monday September 29, 2014 @05:37AM (#8382182)
Or it's a sign that the market was saturated at too high a price, or a sign that people are waiting for the official release so they don't have the risk of not having warranty. If it's a glum sign for Apple that China has lost interest and that they still sold 10+m devices, I'm sure they won't be too upset.
Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by melling on Monday September 29, 2014 @03:15AM (#8381945)
The iPhone is in the final stages of approval in China. Is it really worth paying a premium for at this point?

http://bgr.com/2014/09/26/iphone-6-iphone-6-plus-china-avail...

Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by omegaworks on Monday September 29, 2014 @02:18AM (#8381865)
>he hoped a new crackdown on smuggling by customs officers would help push their price back up.

Black market economics. Restrict the flow of desired product only serves to enrich those with access to the distribution channels.

Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by gambiting on Monday September 29, 2014 @05:09AM (#8382145)
Real market economics too. People slow down production of certain goods to have their prices go up. It happens everywhere, from food to consumer electronics.
Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by SG- on Monday September 29, 2014 @03:13AM (#8381944)
I was under the impression that early iPhone models weren't even available in China officially and recent models have been delayed for quite a while before officially being available.

It seems this time it will simply be a few weeks as the article indicates, could it be that demand is lower for grey market iPhones 6s because of the imminent release this time around?

Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by xuki on Monday September 29, 2014 @04:06AM (#8382028)
iPhone 5s was available for sale in China on day 1
Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by SG- on Monday September 29, 2014 @04:13AM (#8382045)
So I guess the 5s which was the previous model wiped out the grey market entirely for iPhones then or at least set expectations for people in China? Anyways, my point was grey market for brand new iPhones is much lower than it used to be years ago.
Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by xuki on Monday September 29, 2014 @10:10AM (#8382867)
Nope, they were crazy for the gold version.
Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by r00fus on Monday September 29, 2014 @03:39AM (#8381985)
The lack of brisk smuggler sales likely indicates confidence that Apple has passed it's hurdles in China to sell the iPhone6/+.
Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by praseodym on Monday September 29, 2014 @05:01AM (#8382127)
The iPhone boxes marked as "i 6" in the mid-article photo look like they actually contain iPhone 5S models.
Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by kalleboo on Monday September 29, 2014 @06:06AM (#8382233)
Read the whole article

> “Right now at our market you won’t find a phone that is actually in its original packaging,” he said.

Theyre smuggling the phones without packaging then eusing old boxes at retail.

Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by skc on Monday September 29, 2014 @02:39AM (#8381896)
The authors of this piece are very brave. In a few weeks Gruber will be calling them jackasses in his claim chowder post.
Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by antimagic on Monday September 29, 2014 @04:11AM (#8382042)
Whilst I agree with the sentiment, this is not a particularly useful addition to discussion...
Re:A Glum Sign for Apple in China, as Smuggled iPhones Go Be... by kalleboo on Monday September 29, 2014 @06:08AM (#8382237)
Implying anyone cares what Gruber calls them?