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Re:HP Chromebook 11 by harigov on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @09:47AM (#6514811)
why would you hope for something like that? what do you gain if Windows/iOS/OSX go broke?
Re:HP Chromebook 11 by alrs on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @09:56AM (#6514896)
Google isn't a shining beacon of hope, but I do delight in seeing hurt put on closed ecosystems.

The Apple app store is a flat-out threat to human freedom. I do not want to live in a world where the only software available is the software approved by Apple and the governments that have jurisdiction over it.

edit: Note that I take no warmth in it being Google. Yes, they are closed. The good news is that HP just offered up "Not Intel" and "Not Microsoft" preloaded in a laptop form factor. The hardware companies are retreating to neutral corners and leaving the OS vendors to duke it out on their own. This is good for free software and good for the web.

Re:HP Chromebook 11 by bdcravens on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @01:14PM (#6516324)
Apple's app store is closed, yes; to call it a "flat-out threat to human freedom" is a bit extreme. Restricting some bits isn't an issue of human freedom; buy into a different ecosystem.

Google is the greatest machine for data gathering and mining in the history of humanity. (Perhaps the NSA or other 3-letter agency eclipses them, but in the private sector, no one outdoes them) Google's entire purpose for all they do is to get more information so they can show you ads. They have the capability (not the desire, I believe) to censor the Internet in monumental ways. (Imagine shaping search results based on political leanings that my search history suggests) They have a dossier of info on me they can turn over to whom they wish. (Probably won't, but a few public statements doesn't disprove the possibility) Which company, at face value, is "a flat-out threat to human freedom".

Re:HP Chromebook 11 by zobzu on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @10:01AM (#6514946)
ChromeOS is pretty much closed. You don't have a say on what goes in, you don't have a say on what they're going to do with it, you don't have a say if they want to fully close most of it. In fact, you can only see the parts they let you see (in ChromiumOS), and that is the only difference with Apple or Microsoft (albeit arguyably, Apple also open sources it's kernel)
Re:HP Chromebook 11 by Touche on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @10:29AM (#6515173)
This is not true, there isn't much in ChromeOS that's not in ChromiumOS. You can file bugs on crbug.com and they are positive of most requests. And of course you can fork at any time; Chromium is developed in the open.
Re:HP Chromebook 11 by ris on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @01:07PM (#6516282)
> You don't have a say on what goes in

Generally, you remove a washer and you get developer mode. From that point you can change anything.

> (albeit arguyably, Apple also open sources it's kernel)

When was the last time someone managed to build a binary identical kernel to Apple's from the supplied sources?

Re:HP Chromebook 11 by jkscm on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @10:02AM (#6514957)
Which one of Google's services is not a closed system?
Re:HP Chromebook 11 by pjmlp on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @02:58PM (#6517063)
> This is good for free software and good for the web.

What free software? Locked down behind SaaS walls.

Re:HP Chromebook 11 by Mikeb85 on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @09:31PM (#6518958)
While most of Google's services (and most SaaS providers) are closed, the web does enable freedom, and is still generally more open than the proprietary binary blobs people install onto their computers. Chromium is open source, Firefox is open source, and as long as the web itself is being advanced, we are more 'free', not locked into MS Windows, OSX, or even Linux or BSD.
Re:HP Chromebook 11 by dman on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @09:40PM (#6518981)
Lets give up our freedoms to install programs, modify operating systems, write native code, use a programming language of choice, freely deploy native apps to users to get the freedom to consume media inside a browser sandbox.
Re:HP Chromebook 11 by Mikeb85 on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @09:49PM (#6519007)
You can do all that with Chrome OS. It's called developer mode...

Advancing the web still makes sense.

Re:HP Chromebook 11 by dman on Wednesday October 09, 2013 @12:07AM (#6519337)
Does developer mode come with a c/c++ compiler ? can you change the boot loader ? how about install a new shell ? replace the browser ? lets say you come up with a cool hack while in developer mode do you have to convince your friends to run in developer mode too ?
Re:HP Chromebook 11 by Mikeb85 on Wednesday October 09, 2013 @12:22AM (#6519373)
Chrome OS uses Gentoo's Portage package manager. So to install say, emacs, you simply do # emerge emacs, or whatever you want to install.

Anyhow, there's also plenty of online instructions on how to use Crouton to install Ubuntu onto Chrome OS, the point is that Chrome OS is a full, real Linux distro.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v031udlfY5E

Re:HP Chromebook 11 by pjmlp on Wednesday October 09, 2013 @01:16AM (#6519557)
Those are hacks and not fully endorsed by Google.

Besides what is the point to pay $279 for a web browser?

Re:HP Chromebook 11 by Mikeb85 on Wednesday October 09, 2013 @02:10AM (#6519670)
If they aren't endorsed by Google, why did Google add developer mode and Portage? They could have locked it down like Windows RT
Re:HP Chromebook 11 by pjmlp on Wednesday October 09, 2013 @03:21AM (#6519838)
If it was endorsed by Google, you would have a user friendly way of doing that with full documentation, instead of hacks having to be explained by users via YouTube videos.
Re:HP Chromebook 11 by Mikeb85 on Wednesday October 09, 2013 @11:59AM (#6522071)
https://sites.google.com/site/chromeoswikisite/home/what-s-n...

Google could have locked it down as much as iOS if they wanted to. They didn't. Who do you think created developer mode?

Re:HP Chromebook 11 by pjmlp on Wednesday October 09, 2013 @12:45PM (#6522317)
You have to manually install a proper operating system following dozens of steps.

The automated scripts that ease the task were created by individuals that don't work for Google.

This is hardly proper support.

If this was a desired way of using Chromebooks, options would be available to select it in a user friendly way.

Re:HP Chromebook 11 by pjmlp on Wednesday October 09, 2013 @01:14AM (#6519553)
On my dictionary, giving up my rights to use an hypertext document system is not freedom.
Re:HP Chromebook 11 by Mikeb85 on Wednesday October 09, 2013 @12:02PM (#6522084)
What rights do you give up by using an OS that is almost entirely open source? (keep in mind Linux has closed source parts too, some drivers for example)

If you dislike the paradigm that's fine, but don't claim it's hurting your freedom when

a) it's open source and

b) you can modify it the way you see fit.

Heck, you can change the Chromium OS source, recompile it and throw it on a Chromebook if you want...

Re:HP Chromebook 11 by pjmlp on Wednesday October 09, 2013 @01:58PM (#6522729)
It is not an OS, it is a browser.

All applications are behind SaaS walls.

Re:HP Chromebook 11 by Mikeb85 on Wednesday October 09, 2013 @02:59PM (#6523110)
Please, there's web caching, app manifests, and all sorts of other ways and standards to create web apps which run 100% on the user's machine. Applications need not be behind an SaaS wall anymore than video games need online DRM....

And Chrome OS absolutely IS an OS. The fact that it's centred conceptually around the Chromium browser and Google's proprietary bits doesn't make this less true.

Re:HP Chromebook 11 by mapleoin on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @09:50AM (#6514842)
Freedom.
Re:HP Chromebook 11 by seiji on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @09:56AM (#6514898)
Reminder: by living The Google Lifestyle of Google Docs, Google Mail, Google Search History, Google Bookmarks, Google Social Network, Google Driving History, Google Location Tracking, Google Thought Interface, you allow all that to be nicely indexed for quick handoff to third parties (improperly motivated employees, NSLs, etc) without your consent.

I'm pretty sure if you say "google" and "freedom" in front of RMS you'll get your head chopped off.

Re:HP Chromebook 11 by S4M on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @09:53AM (#6514872)
Dude, I'd fear much more Google controlling the OS market than Apple or Microsoft, even though I am not found of them, far from it.
Re:HP Chromebook 11 by Robby2012 on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @09:52AM (#6514859)
Do you really think you're going to get freedom from Google?
Re:HP Chromebook 11 by sz4kerto on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @09:54AM (#6514882)
The fact that people have this perception makes me sad.
Re:HP Chromebook 11 by mamcx on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @11:46AM (#6515735)
Is more dangerous the perception of freedom than the understanding of limits.

The best dictators spread the freedom mantra and the more gullible believe it.

Re:HP Chromebook 11 by untog on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @09:54AM (#6514877)
And Chrome OS represents freedom now?
Re:HP Chromebook 11 by ff10 on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @09:53AM (#6514868)
The freedom to not choose between a multitude of operating systems?
Re:HP Chromebook 11 by garg on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @10:12AM (#6515037)
Freedom from choice?
Re:HP Chromebook 11 by camus on Tuesday October 08, 2013 @10:15AM (#6515063)
Yeah , freedom to get "locked in the trunk" some might say.