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Re:Google Web Designer by anarchy8 on Monday September 30, 2013 @03:05PM (#6471561)
How do you feel about having Google as a direct competitor?
Re:Google Web Designer by tumultco on Monday September 30, 2013 @03:28PM (#6471721)
Google itself doesn't scare me; it is really just team vs. team. I think we've got the best product and engineering expertise for this market. Clearly I'm biased :) so I'd encourage anyone to try Tumult Hype and let us know your thoughts (we've got a fully functional 14-day trial on the site).

While Google hasn't announced pricing, it is probably safe to say it is going to be free. This is a business for us, so we charge $29.99. I don't like competing against free, but that just means we'll be continually pushed to provide that much more value!

Re:Google Web Designer by beernutz on Monday September 30, 2013 @05:36PM (#6472546)
I would love to check out your product, but it only runs on OSX. You might consider a port to drastically expand your potential client base.

Google's free offering is cross platform already.

Re:Google Web Designer by alanh on Monday September 30, 2013 @06:32PM (#6472807)
“Drastically?” The vast majority of the web developers I know use OS X.

And, I guess, most of the marketers, too.

Re:Google Web Designer by laureny on Monday September 30, 2013 @10:04PM (#6473600)
> “Drastically?” The vast majority of the web developers I know use OS X.

I'm guessing most (all?) the developers you know work in the US?

Mac OS is close to nonexistent in that area in the rest of the world.

Trying to sell an app competing against a free product from Google is already challenging enough, you should seriously consider the original advice and extend your tool to work on Windows as well.

Re:Google Web Designer by rimantas on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @02:06AM (#6474428)

  > Mac OS is close to nonexistent in that area in the rest
  > of the world.
I guess you dont't live in the rest of the world. I am from a small exUSSR country in the Europe and while I would not claim majority for OS X but to claim that it is nonexistent is very wrong. My last company (Java/PHP/Frontend) was Mac-only. In the current company the majority is on Macs (that includes Android and WP developers).
Re:Google Web Designer by welly on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @05:48AM (#6475132)
Really? My last web developer position in Australia was in an office full of Macs. My web developer position previous to that was in New Zealand was in an office full of Macs. My current position here in the UK is in an office full of Macs. Every web development house I've ever worked for, contracted with or freelanced with has been in an office full of Macs.
Re:Google Web Designer by digitalengineer on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @05:00AM (#6474994)
Dutchman here. Most designers use MacOsX here. Developers go with Windows. Design-savy or iOS developers use both.
Re:Google Web Designer by Cthulhu_ on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @07:30AM (#6481804)
Also Dutch here. Developers go with Windows if they do not get a choice; unfortunately, most major companies demand everyone uses Windows.

I'm fortunate to be working for a consultancy company that just gives everyone a budget to buy their computer. Most people have a Macbook, with the odd exception that simply has a hatred for Apple or can't get used to it.

I would argue that development tools are much better for OSX. It's like Linux, but usable. A lot of commandline tools just work out of the box under OSX, where you have to go through hoops, hope there's a port, or install a bash emulator under Windows.

Of course, .NET developers will be using Windows.

Re:Google Web Designer by rtdp on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @05:32AM (#6475090)
I do agree here. I do develop in India, and rarely i meet people with Mac. Most devs use linux and most html and UI guys go with windows.
Re:Google Web Designer by nadnerb on Monday September 30, 2013 @10:55PM (#6473762)
By 'rest of the world' you must be discounting Australia then ;)
Re:Google Web Designer by sjwright on Monday September 30, 2013 @11:15PM (#6473828)
As an Australian, I've always thought of our country as the real-world embodiment of what Americans believe when they think of their own country...
Re:Google Web Designer by seanmcdirmid on Thursday October 03, 2013 @01:56AM (#6487420)
I visited Bali once and as an American, had an identity crisis looking in the mirror at all the Australian tourists.
Re:Google Web Designer by Nekorosu on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @10:16AM (#6476278)
Moscow, Russia – Macs everywhere. Odessa, Ukraine – a lot of Macs and more are coming.

And this is a two year old observation.

Re:Google Web Designer by gmazzotti on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @11:08AM (#6482830)
Uruguay here: All designers use Mac OS, developers use Windows or Linux
Re:Google Web Designer by seanmcdirmid on Thursday October 03, 2013 @01:54AM (#6487416)
Most web developers/designers in china use OS X also.
Re:Google Web Designer by easytiger on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:35AM (#6474932)
> The vast majority of the web developers I know use OS X.

That's what we call a filter bubble

Re:Google Web Designer by lostsock on Monday September 30, 2013 @07:31PM (#6473027)
Wow really? Where (in what bubble) do you live?
Re:Google Web Designer by taftster on Monday September 30, 2013 @07:58PM (#6473133)
I'm guessing the bubble called Silicon Valley. They tend to have a fairly skewed view of the world there.
Re:Google Web Designer by nityananda on Monday September 30, 2013 @11:08PM (#6473806)
Well, I am from Europe and from people I know only around 15% uses Mac. I was myself using Windows/Linux for all development and Photoshop work till last 3 years, when I moved to Macbook Air.
Re:Google Web Designer by giantSlayer on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @10:19AM (#6476303)
Windows are for users and Mac are for makers. ;)
Re:Google Web Designer by dirkgently on Thursday October 03, 2013 @01:01AM (#6487278)
Oh please. Designers are not makers. Vast majority of developers I know use Linux.
Re:Google Web Designer by tcdent on Monday September 30, 2013 @09:20PM (#6473470)
Los Angeles based developer here. Practically everyone uses a Mac that I know.
Re:Google Web Designer by sneak on Monday September 30, 2013 @08:19PM (#6473219)
The one where the vast majority of web developers live.
Re:Google Web Designer by kamjam on Monday September 30, 2013 @09:50PM (#6473567)
There's this entire platform of users who develop in a magical language called C# and run entirely on Microsoft platform. It might just catch on and get quite popular.

The Microsoft world might also be used by large corporations, who also happen to have lots of money, with which you can buy things like software.

(There's also these other platforms based on *nix, but meh :-p)

Re:Google Web Designer by codygman on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @02:35AM (#6481021)
We don't need any nix at all!

|pushes button to delete nix|

Hey, where did 60% of my favorite website go? Oh, I'll just google how to undelete *nix... wait... crap!

Re:Google Web Designer by debaserab2 on Monday September 30, 2013 @09:02PM (#6473384)
> the vast majority

You're actually discounting the entire world outside of SV right now?

Re:Google Web Designer by paulftw on Monday September 30, 2013 @09:16PM (#6473448)
and he can still make a living while doing that.
Re:Google Web Designer by tripzilch on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @05:54AM (#6475146)
what now, being able to make a living makes one right?
Re:Google Web Designer by JonnieCache on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @05:23AM (#6475063)
>vast majority of web developers

That is an amazing thing to write on the internet.

Re:Google Web Designer by smtddr on Monday September 30, 2013 @09:29PM (#6473499)
I'm pretty sure the majority of digital artwork, both visual & audio, is done on OSX. I have never heard of any major company in this field that had its artists on anything other than OSX. Maybe linux for some render-farms or something, but the artists' primary workstation is macosx. Also, all the major digit-art tools work sooooooo much better under OSX, or even just under Linux. Example, I've used Autodesk's Maya under windows and under Linux 64bit. The exact same machine, dualboot, into Linux to run Maya is like night & day. This simple little kitchen scene[1] was too much for Windows to handle, would freeze up the mouse pointer while trying to rotate around and work on the models. In linux, silky smooth. Also, the audio-production software on mac is superior to anything ever. Avid ProTools, Logic Pro,etc. Imagine the kinds of scenes LucasArts/Pixar/Dreamworks/etc got going on. When you're project starts to get big and require more RAM to keep it all in memory and flowing well; Linux & OSX will beat Windows completely. Now I'm not going to put all the blame on Windows, perhaps AutoDesk and Adobe don't put as much quality work into the Windows versions. And why should they? Really, I see the Windows versions as just gateways for beginners and young people to pirate them and learn.When you get serious and it's your profession, you switch to OSX. Yes, I said it. Any serious digital-artist is on a mac. Good day sir!

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNS66CcUJ1o

SIDENOTE: If Adobe made linux-versions of all their stuff, combined with the already-existing linux versions of Maya and 3DSMax, I believe it would be very good for the digital-art industry.

Re:Google Web Designer by Digit-Al on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @03:09AM (#6474638)
Considering the very powerful, hardware accelerated 3D games that run smoothly under Windows, I would consider the possibility that if Maya cannot render a scene without freezing, maybe that is a problem with the software developers and not Windows.
Re:Google Web Designer by noptic on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @04:13AM (#6481272)
This might be true, but I think you miss the point.

People will use the enviroment where the tools run stable.

Re:Google Web Designer by pjmlp on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @01:33AM (#6474309)
If you live in US that might be right, but on the rest of the world?

No sir!

Re:Google Web Designer by AdamN on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @02:44AM (#6474545)
The rest of the world isn't where the money is ... so why would he develop for a market that can't even afford a mac?
Re:Google Web Designer by laumars on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @12:26PM (#6477172)
I keep forgetting America is the only developed country in the world. I guess I'm so busy playing games on my PC and surfing the net on my HTC One, that sometimes I forget I'm poor and only bought these devices because I couldn't afford to buy Apple.

</sarcasm>

You really need to get some perspective about just how big the IT industry is outside of America.

Re:Google Web Designer by csomar on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @07:22AM (#6475404)
What?! All the digital printing agencies I've been to were using iMacs. I live in a country with a Per Capita of $3,500. That's more than an order of magnitude lower than the US.
Re:Google Web Designer by pjmlp on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @03:31AM (#6474732)
I beg to differ as today's reports show.
Re:Google Web Designer by ekianjo on Monday September 30, 2013 @11:18PM (#6473837)
Silicon Valley is a well known "home" for OSX.
Re:Google Web Designer by kayoone on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @02:58AM (#6474598)
In some circles yes, but theres alot of web developers that are still on Windows for whatever reason. I am from Germany and people here are less prone to brand marketing and i still see quite alot of people using Windows, even people i highly respect for their skills. Im mainly talking about coders though, not designers.
Re:Google Web Designer by Kesty on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:13AM (#6474860)
Reasons range from:

1) Big corporations don't like to overspend on PC hardware and can have great deals with anyone but Apple.

2) A company that work mostly on Windows platform (.Net, MSSql)

4) As weird as it sound some people might actually not like OSX.

Re:Google Web Designer by beernutz on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @05:43PM (#6485592)
I will say here, that I am one of those people that do not like OSX. My main issues are getting it to behave with the muscle memory I have developed over years of use with windows and linux machines. Home and End key behavior, actually quitting an application when closed, full-screen apps (though I understand this is fixed in recent OSX builds), and other minor annoyances keep me from fully embracing OSX. I understand that these are personal preferences, and not problems with OSX for the most part.

On the other hand, I REALLY like the idea of an app and all its dependencies being installed all in one folder. That REALLY needs to happen everywhere. This would make migration between installs SO much easier, and would eliminate DLL hell (or shared library hell in the case of linux).

Just my 2cents

Re:Google Web Designer by kayoone on Thursday October 03, 2013 @10:10AM (#6488984)
Exactly my thoughts. I use OSX alot for different reasons but i still think i am more productive on Windows/Linux. Keyboard shortcuts and behaviour is consistent as opposed to OSX where its kind of a pain.

I also dont like the dock, i like to have a taskbar with the open windows on each of my monitors which is no problem in Windows and Linux. I dont like the Menubar stuck on the main monitor.

As a web developer i really like the unix base of OSX for different reaons though and i need to use some software for game dev (Unity3D) which isnt available on Linux.

But i thought about running Windows for game dev/office stuff and Linux in a VM for web development.

Re:Google Web Designer by garethadams on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @08:28AM (#6475644)
I assume this was numbered as a bitmask so people can represent their choices as a single integer?
Re:Google Web Designer by dirkgently on Thursday October 03, 2013 @01:03AM (#6487283)
> As weird as it sound some people might actually not like OSX.

Oh yes. I wouldn't take a job if they offer Apple only choices.

Re:Google Web Designer by NicoJuicy on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @12:21PM (#6477136)
Actually, here in Europe, MAC doesn't seem that popular.

Most of the people i know just use Windows (Belgium)

Re:Google Web Designer by asdasf on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @10:12AM (#6482467)
And literally zero of the web developers and designers I know use OS X. This is why a single person's social circle isn't a useful indicator of global marketshare.
Re:Google Web Designer by shrikant on Monday September 30, 2013 @06:49PM (#6472880)
It doesn't say anything about Linux, but I guess more than one platform is technically "cross platform" :(
Re:Google Web Designer by bromagosa on Monday September 30, 2013 @07:45PM (#6473078)
Yep, and I hate it when they use "PC" as a synonym for Microsoft Windows. I do have a PC!
Re:Google Web Designer by V-2 on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @04:34AM (#6474926)
It's Apple that made PC synonymous with Windows machines (with all their "Mac vs PC" ads). Yes technically speaking it's incorrect, but that's human language for you, it just happens. Sometimes the other way round, eg. walkman was once Sony's tradename, but eventually all portable cassette players were called so.
Re:Google Web Designer by bromagosa on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @05:25AM (#6475071)
Not really, it actually comes from long before that.

I remember being a very little kid and buying shareware games with their "PC-Compatible" labels. At the time, that sticker actually meant "DOS Compatible", and being I just about 10 years old, I believed PCs and DOS were the only possible match, the same way my first MSX ran MSX-Basic and my cousin's Amstrad CPC ran CP/M. I didn't know it was even possible for machines to run different OSes. For that matter, I didn't even know what an OS was. I just knew different machines worked differently, the same way different TV sets worked differently.

So it's not just a matter of human language, it's a matter of intentionally confusing terms in favour of the market. Everybody knew there were other "walkmans" around. Not everybody knows there are other OSes.

Re:Google Web Designer by V-2 on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @05:43AM (#6475112)
Clearly Apple subscribes to this terminology, and I don't think it has much of an interest in putting forward the impression that Windows is the only option on PCs and concealing the existence of Linux.
Re:Google Web Designer by bromagosa on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @06:04AM (#6475173)
I think it does. From the very beginning they wanted to sell computers to people by making them think they work like home appliances. If people knew computers are actually universal machines, then they wouldn't be as willing to pay more for the same components with a different brand printed on the machine's case, or a different software running in them.

Besides, that gives them a single competitor to fight against.

Re:Google Web Designer by V-2 on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @10:10AM (#6476223)
Is it really easier to face one big nearly monopolist opponent instead of two who're fighting against eachother? Also one important obstacle for the adoption of Apple products was the common notion that there's no plausible alternatives to buying a PC. That's why they invested heavily in sending the message of pluralism - "think differently" etc.
Re:Google Web Designer by ekianjo on Monday September 30, 2013 @11:19PM (#6473842)
Yeah, and a Mac is a PC, internally speaking too. So, it should OS based : OSX, Windows. This, coming from the number 1 tech company in the world. Kinda disappointing.
Re:Google Web Designer by cdcarter on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @01:30AM (#6474295)
Yet somehow everyone understands what people mean when they say "Mac or PC"...

Prescriptivists.

Re:Google Web Designer by bromagosa on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @03:42AM (#6474776)
This has nothing to do with prescriptivism whatsoever. This is like calling the blue "e" icon in your desktop "The Internet". It's just plain wrong naming.

In tech, things should be called by their name, or you risk future confusion.

Re:Google Web Designer by ekianjo on Monday September 30, 2013 @11:17PM (#6473835)
Cross platform but not Linux. That's "limited" when you do web development.
Re:Google Web Designer by D9u on Monday September 30, 2013 @10:48PM (#6473725)
Too bad those platforms don't include Linux & FreeBSD.
Re:Google Web Designer by ekianjo on Monday September 30, 2013 @11:22PM (#6473848)
Sadly Google has more or less stopped supporting Linux on desktop since Larry Page came into office (Picasa and others...). Hardly surprising. Even though at Google everyone uses a flavor of Ubuntu for their desktops.
Re:Google Web Designer by michaelhoney on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @01:45AM (#6474357)
I don't think tumultco would see ROI porting to Windows or Linux. Quite apart from the actual development effort, managing two or more codebases, dealing with Windows fragmentation and piracy... ugh.

Yes, you'd drastically expand your potential client base – but end up with worse revenue and higher support costs per customer.

Re:Google Web Designer by dagge on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @02:38AM (#6474520)
As long as we're doing shameless plugs: checkout my cross-platform product at http://tweenui.com/animator – it's for creating simple HTML5 animations (focus is mobile display ads) in the browser. You can download the result or publish to the cloud.
Re:Google Web Designer by svtiger on Monday September 30, 2013 @05:10PM (#6472389)
Keep up the good work! From first glance your product seems to have superior functionality and usability. So I'd gladly pay for ease of use alone.
Re:Google Web Designer by zach_s on Monday September 30, 2013 @11:59PM (#6473957)
It may be tough, but porting your application to Windows would be a great idea and help you compete against Google in the long run. Good luck with it, and from what I've checked around on your website it seems like a great tool/competitor to Google!

(I'm on a Mac, still I have Windows machines and know a huge amount of web-developers who abide by Windows)

Re:Google Web Designer by alexcroox on Monday September 30, 2013 @06:20PM (#6472768)
You might consider hosting that intro video on a better platform, buffered so slowly for me with a 120MB connection. Granted your site is probably getting hit by HN, but when attention spans are so short, many may give up long before I did.
Re:Google Web Designer by tumultco on Monday September 30, 2013 @06:31PM (#6472801)
Thanks for reporting this; our site should be able to handle this amount of traffic no problem and the video loads pretty quickly for me. Where are you located and does the problem still happen?

We've moved nearly all of our other videos to youtube, so if it really is our server you can click the "watch more" buttons on the main page to still get a feel for the app.

Re:Google Web Designer by coverband on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @01:30PM (#6477652)
"it is really just team vs. team" -- that's a great way of looking at it. Good luck with the additional attention and hope you can convert new eyes into more customers.
Re:Google Web Designer by ekanes on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @01:42AM (#6474344)
Love your attitude. If you can position yourself as the best alternative to Google's product it's not a bad place to be - they may expand the market. Good luck.
Re:Google Web Designer by edraferi on Monday September 30, 2013 @05:21PM (#6472451)
Great attitude. Best of luck!
Re:Google Web Designer by benologist on Monday September 30, 2013 @05:32PM (#6472514)
They're the perfect competitor - they validate the market, they almost always fail, and they acquire winners.
Re:Google Web Designer by robgough on Monday September 30, 2013 @05:57PM (#6472665)
And of course they'll pull the plug in 18 months or so thus leaving people wanting for a replacement :P
Re:Google Web Designer by atburrow on Monday September 30, 2013 @03:22PM (#6471688)
Maybe an acquisition is in their near future.