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Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by kjhughes on Friday August 23, 2013 @09:30AM (#6263401)
What were the key Ballmer era highlights?

== Negatives ==

* Clashes with Gates during CEO transition of power: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121261241035146237.html

* Developer relations / motivational speaking (thanks mathattack): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc

* Employee retention (thanks JonnieCache, Ziomislaw): http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/microsoft-ceo-im-going...

* Windows Phone: http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky/2013/07/18/if-you-h...

* IPTV platform Microsoft Mediaroom (thanks nixy): http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/03/bt_vision_upgrade/

* Vista (thanks balakk, danieldk)

* Internet Explorer neglect and market share declines.

== Mixed ==

* Failed Yahoo acquisition (thanks michaelpinto, seanmcdirmid, throwaway1979): http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/press/2008/may08/05-03le...

== Positives ==

* Xbox / games division (thanks benihana)

* Enterprise successes (thanks gregd, facorreia)

* Facebook investment (thanks riffraff)

[edits: updates per reply comment suggestions]

Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by rdl on Friday August 23, 2013 @09:32AM (#6263417)
Positives: Only threw away 10-20b on pointless acquisitions (aQ, etc.). Successfully avoided buying Nokia, or pulling an HP/Compaq Fiorina fiasco, and didn't buy a big dying services organization to chase IBM. Also didn't do like HP's board with the lawsuits and revolving door CEOs and such. Avoided major criminal activity.
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by derefr on Friday August 23, 2013 @10:12AM (#6263695)
This should sound like a ridiculous set of "positives", but it doesn't. Instead, I'm thinking--when you put it that way, Ballmer certainly wasn't the worst they could have done. Not by far.
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by devx on Friday August 23, 2013 @11:58AM (#6264379)
How about paying $8 billion for Skype, a zero-profit company, and almost paying $40 billion for Yahoo?
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by lotso on Friday August 23, 2013 @04:48PM (#6266172)
Skype is about to pull in 2 billion in revenue. Surely there's some profit there.
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by sbuk on Saturday August 24, 2013 @02:01PM (#6269296)
I'm pretty sure Skype was strategic. Lync as a unified communications platform is all the more interesting because of it.
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by seanmcdirmid on Friday August 23, 2013 @10:45AM (#6263895)
Got lucky on yahoo.
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by gnoway on Friday August 23, 2013 @10:29AM (#6263797)
"Avoided being caught and held responsible for major criminal activity."

I suspect this is a more true statement.

Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by BrandonM on Friday August 23, 2013 @04:31PM (#6266085)
What about Microsoft developing some of the best enterprise programming tools in the world? I don't use any of the following, but I have to admit that they are (or at one time were) best-in-class is basically all of them:

  * C#, F#, and all of .NET
  * Visual Studio
  * SQL Server
  * DirectX
  * ActiveX[1]
[1] ActiveX is not the best technology, but it paved the way for the AJAX programming that everyone does today.
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by fhd2 on Friday August 23, 2013 @05:43PM (#6266414)
> ActiveX is not the best technology, but it paved the way for the AJAX programming that everyone does today.

You can safely add AJAX to the list, XMLHttpRequest is from Microsoft as well.

I never had much symphathy for Microsoft, but I can't help but respect some of the things they've done, both in the Gates and Ballmer eras. They used to really care about developers.

Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by politician on Friday August 23, 2013 @11:33PM (#6267496)
I've often heard XMLHttpRequest described as an "own goal" instead of a "win".
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by bborud on Sunday August 25, 2013 @05:17PM (#6273769)
Imagine if they hadn't been hell bent on only releasing those tools for Windows. Imagine if they had made them cross platform.

Their programming tools may be great. But I will never care. Because I'd rather hit myself with a stick than use Windows.

Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by hannibal5 on Friday August 23, 2013 @08:22PM (#6267005)
It's good to realize that most of it was developed as response to innovation elsewhere. And they don't make up for those horrible Visual Basic versions they pushed for years.

Famous quote from 90's:

"Anybody who thinks a little 9,000-line program that's distributed free and can be cloned by anyone is going to affect anything we do at Microsoft has his head screwed on wrong." - Bill Gates (regarding Java, shortly before Microsoft licensed Java and cancelled the Blackbird project)

Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by facorreia on Friday August 23, 2013 @09:38AM (#6263479)
Xbox.

Server and tools (e.g. System Center 2012 R2, Windows Azure).

Increasing profits. E.g., FY 13 profits of $26.76 billion against FY 12 profits of $21.76 billion. That 5 billion dollars of additional profit in that fiscal year. I wonder how much profit Ballmer's detractors generate?

Relevant: How Apple's profits stack up against Google and Microsoft

http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/23/4549094/apple-microsoft-go...

Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by gregd on Friday August 23, 2013 @09:36AM (#6263453)
Not entirely sure any of these can be attributed to Ballmer but Microsoft has been entirely successful in the enterprise.

Active Directory (copied, but marketed better than Novell), Group Policies, Visual Studio (arguably the best IDE available today), Sql Server, .NET, Azure.

And trust me, I am no fan of Ballmer. I think this announcement is the best thing to happen to Microsoft in a LONG time.

Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by balakk on Friday August 23, 2013 @09:51AM (#6263568)
Azure probably will get credited to Ray Ozzie. Rest of them are from Gates era. There are some monumental fuck-ups that happened under his guard though - Vista, Windows Phone are enough proof.
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by danieldk on Friday August 23, 2013 @11:00AM (#6263995)
Vista

Most hardware was not powerful enough for Vista when it was released. It's the pressed who killed it. Windows 7 received glamorous reviews. However, in hindsight, Vista and 7 are not all that different. Most of the changes that daily users would encounter are cosmetic.

Windows Phone

Microsofts primary problem was that it was late and (as one of the consequences) there are not that many Windows Phone apps. However, WP7 and WP8 were generally quite well-received by the media. Windows Phone is really a nice phone OS, what Microsoft f*cked up is the transition from WP7 to WP8.

Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by eterm on Friday August 23, 2013 @01:14PM (#6264887)
Hardware wasn't powerful enough because Vista was terrible. At the time of Vista's launch I had a 2yr old PC running ubuntu with compiz with full 3D effects (but more importantly generally working window composition) while adverts on TV were trying to tell me Vista had "WOW!" while it ran poorly on new machines but actually had not much in the way of wow! like visuals.

And even if many changes between vista and 7 were "cosmetic", that's how people interact with their PCs, and things like having different UI styles all over the place is a huge dealbreaker that puts people off using it. (See also: Windows 8).

Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by smacktoward on Friday August 23, 2013 @01:01PM (#6264802)
> Most hardware was not powerful enough for Vista when it was released. It's the pressed who killed it.

But Microsoft gave them the gun by agreeing to the OEMs' demand to create a "Vista Capable" classification, for machines that were too underpowered to run Vista well (see http://www.crn.com/slide-shows/channel-programs/206905984/tr...).

The OEMs didn't care about customer experience, they just wanted a "Vista!" sticker they could slap on as many machines as possible. MS had to know these machines would make Vista look bad; they should have resisted the demand. But they didn't, so tons of people bought machines they thought would run Vista acceptably, only to find out they did not. So they (understandably) thought Vista was just a dog that couldn't run well even on "Vista certified" hardware.

Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by Pxtl on Friday August 23, 2013 @12:16PM (#6264489)
Vista was a catastrophic death march until it launched, though. It was pushed back year after year after year. The long gap between XP and Vista was not intentional.
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by smacktoward on Friday August 23, 2013 @01:10PM (#6264855)
Not only was Vista development pushed back, but the whole process was restarted two years in when it became clear that the original version was a disaster (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_Windows_Vista#Mi...).
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by gregd on Friday August 23, 2013 @01:39PM (#6265053)
Frankly, I'm still bitter over Windows ME
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by excitom on Friday August 23, 2013 @03:50PM (#6265895)
Small point, but SQL Server was developed by Sybase.
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by thisisdog on Friday August 23, 2013 @05:59PM (#6266483)
They rewrote the whole thing without the licensed code from Sybase since version 4 or whatever the edition.
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by JonnieCache on Friday August 23, 2013 @10:03AM (#6263644)
If we're marking off the copies, the last two in that list weren't exactly original ideas either.
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by gregd on Friday August 23, 2013 @10:48AM (#6263922)
Sorry, I wasn't so much pointing out what were copies as I was trying to (albeit terribly) point out that Netware was actually BETTER than AD at that time (access-based enumeration anybody???)
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by JonnieCache on Friday August 23, 2013 @11:00AM (#6263996)
Nah I was just being childish tbh. Your point was far more useful.
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by bojan on Friday August 23, 2013 @10:24AM (#6263764)
I question the relevancy of that article from Forbes regarding Windows Phone. It is written by a Contributor, so it is basically an editorial piece. The sentence "Nokia becomes a low-end smartphone-maker" strikes me as particularly weird, as Nokia was always a low-end phone maker.

While their sales are down in the US, they are on a (very slow) rise almost everywhere else. In Latin America, WP is now ranked 2nd (http://techcrunch.com/2013/08/22/windows-phone-snags-second-...).

WP is definitely not a widely successful platform, but it is not yet a total failure, and given some more attention from Microsoft, it may yet succeed in being relevant.

edited for typos.

Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by clarky07 on Friday August 23, 2013 @02:15PM (#6265299)
==Positive== He grew revenue and profits at incredible levels. He doesn't get credit because the stock price hasn't gone up, but that is just because he took over during the tech bubble and Microsoft was greatly overvalued at the time. I think profit has more than tripled since he started.
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by crazypyro on Friday August 23, 2013 @02:51PM (#6265551)
In the last year alone, he has increased profits by around 20% (which is 5 billion dollars, not pocket change). People don't give him enough credit.
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by nixy on Friday August 23, 2013 @11:02AM (#6264006)
Negatives must also include Microsoft Mediaroom, the much yelled at[1] IPTV platform which was recently handed over to Ericsson for an undisclosed sum which I can't imagine yielded a good ROI for MS.

[1] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/03/bt_vision_upgrade/

Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by michaelpinto on Friday August 23, 2013 @10:47AM (#6263909)
Maybe the failed Yahoo acquisition wasn't a bad thing? Would Microsoft have really improved Yahoo? Would Yahoo give Microsoft growth? If anything not doing that deal was a good move.
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by seanmcdirmid on Friday August 23, 2013 @10:51AM (#6263936)
That was definitely a bullet dodged: a very good thing.
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by dragontamer on Friday August 23, 2013 @12:06PM (#6264419)
Mixed : Investment into Nook.

I'm still convinced that eReaders are a good future for distributing books. It isn't Microsoft's fault that the Nook is failing (Barnes and Noble need to pick up the slack), but I think its a good idea that Microsoft branches out into that distribution platform.

Its a Hail Mary pass to attempt to get into the eBooks market, but probably the best attempt that Microsoft could reasonably make. Actually, even if Nook ends up losing money for Microsoft, I'd argue it was a good move.

Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by throwaway1979 on Friday August 23, 2013 @10:55AM (#6263964)
The failed Yahoo! acquisition could be seen as a positive.
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by neuro on Friday August 23, 2013 @09:52AM (#6263583)
Here's the key Ballmer era highlight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc

Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by JonnieCache on Friday August 23, 2013 @09:59AM (#6263624)
Yeah we all know it's that video, and then him throwing the chair at that guy.
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by tmister on Friday August 23, 2013 @01:23PM (#6264938)
Add another positive, he knew that LOC is not a good measurement of software development[1]

[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWylb_5IOw0&feature=player_de... (go to 38:59 time mark)

Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by lucasjans on Friday August 23, 2013 @08:59PM (#6267106)
Lost here is Steve's wasted money chasing success in the media space. Failed advertising platform acquisitions (aQ), billions spent trying to get MSN and then Bing off the ground.
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by riffraff on Friday August 23, 2013 @11:18AM (#6264112)
I think the investment in FB should be considered successful.

IIRC the deal in 2007 was at one fifth of the current facebook value, plus they got to sneak bing in the platform, and cut out google.

Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by jypepin on Friday August 23, 2013 @03:51PM (#6265900)
Xbox in positives I guess... but I don't agree on the whole game division... the "Games for windows" system is just horrible -
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by mathattack on Friday August 23, 2013 @09:31AM (#6263412)
Did you capture the speech where he's ranting and raving to motivate the troops?
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by Ziomislaw on Friday August 23, 2013 @10:00AM (#6263629)
* throwing chairs @ people he doesn't like
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by benihana on Friday August 23, 2013 @09:31AM (#6263405)
Positives: Xbox/Games division
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by rlanday on Friday August 23, 2013 @10:49AM (#6263929)
Are people saying this because the Xbox actually makes money, or just because it’s popular and seems successful? The most recent overall look at profits I’m aware of is this one: http://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-xbox-division-h...

If this is accurate, Microsoft has been turning a profit in recent years, but not enough to make up for years of losses from the first Xbox and the first few years of the Xbox 360. They’re about to launch a new system, which probably means they’re again going to be losing money again for a while.

Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by darkchasma on Friday August 23, 2013 @12:51PM (#6264726)
Mindshare and a device in the living room is what keeps Microsoft from slipping into IBM territory. And with the consumerization of IT, OSX or Linux would be even more present today I suspect.
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by Ensorceled on Friday August 23, 2013 @09:32AM (#6263415)
One almost gets the impression that Xbox slipped under Ballmer's radar and didn't get his full attention :-)
Re:Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months by gmacdon89 on Friday August 23, 2013 @09:38AM (#6263475)
I loled. I have thought this as well. something along the lines of he was concentrating on office when a division of microsoft was able to continue working without his interruption.