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Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by jdlyga on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:31PM (#50486761)
If LibreOffice were good enough already, it would already be popular. It's the same with GIMP. On paper it's a Photoshop alternative, but we've all struggled with it. These projects need to take the same route as Blender did. Originally it was a clunky open source alternative, but it went through a complete UI transformation and now blows the competition away.
Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by tancop on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:36PM (#50486852)
ArtCraft is great for this. They try to recreate proprietary apps 1 to 1 so there's no real innovation, but it creates a baseline for new open source projects that can be even better than the original.
Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by dmarzio on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:43PM (#50486996)
Yep I’ve been using PhotoCraft and WordCraft along with others in the suite and honestly I haven’t found any features yet that they are missing. Basically drop-in replacements written in Rust. Each one is around 100mb and no bloat like the real versions. Adobe and Microsoft are in trouble.
Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by usui on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:47PM (#50487056)
Be careful with this with the knowledge that it's an ongoing vibe-coded effort. Wordcraft failed to detect spacing after paragraphs and I could not use "Remove spacing after paragraph", whereas it worked in Word. Photocraft added extra transparent space around a copied transformed edit selection, whereas in Photoshop it copied the selection boundary exactly.

Updates are coming in frequently for all the *Craft apps, and I really like that it's possible to brew install them across many macOS on a moment's notice, so I definitely recommend trying it. However it should not be used for absolutely critical work unless you can verify the functions you need are fine.

Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by machomaster on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:53PM (#50487149)
They have an official early alpha status for a reason.
Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by CWuestefeld on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:04PM (#50488212)
Well, PhotoCraft and LightCraft are completely unable to deal with RAW files from Olympus/OM Systems cameras. That's a known limitation, on their Issues list.

But yeah, I think on the whole they're doing great, and actually being quite conservative about the claims they make.

Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by Gigachad on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:14PM (#50489032)
You could convert them to DNG first
Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by someperson on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:38PM (#50486898)
Octave is a similar old-school open-source replacement tool (to Matlab) that could benefit from similar investment. Though Octave's issues involve some ecosystem compatibility dynamics too, last I checked.
Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by StableAlkyne on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:41PM (#50486960)
A major barrier to the improvement of giant FOSS replacements like GIMP and LibreOffice is that the people who develop it and the people who use it have become very used to all of its quirks. It's extremely hard to identify the rough edges in a UI without an external perspective.

Blender is a little different because every 3D modeling program is odd in its own way, and the new UI was close enough that it was easy to learn after the transition (I do still use the legacy keybinds though).

But Blender is very niche hobby software. To "succeed" (if we define success as capturing a significant user share from closed source spyware), Libre and GIMP need to offer workflows that are close to what the average non-coder technical person expects. Maybe that isn't valued by the teams, or maybe they don't have enough resources to make it happen, but the end result is a reputation of jank.

I dislike vibe coded clones because of concerns about the engineering quality. But the reason they're making waves when traditional FOSS hasn't is that the UX is leagues ahead.

Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by swiftcoder on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:00PM (#50487254)
> But Blender is very niche hobby software

I don't think this is entirely accurate at this point. It has pretty wide adoption in the educational space, and a number of well-known studios have adopted Blender into their workflows.

The Blender development fund wouldn't be topped-up to the tune of $3 million/year if it were purely funded by hobbyists.

Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by StableAlkyne on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:05PM (#50487326)
Yes, it is used in a professional capacity.

But when I say "niche hobby software," I'm talking about the relative scale of the user base.

Every working adult who touches a computer in 2026 is using office software. Photo editing is so common that "Photoshop" has become a verb. These two use cases are behemoths compared to 3D modelers.

Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by Freak_NL on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:13PM (#50489753)
It's either "niche hobby" or "embraced by professionals".
Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by Freak_NL on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:12PM (#50489729)
> […] the people who use it have become very used to all of its quirks.

Oh definitely. The way some people seem oblivious to all of Word's faults and weirdness― …Oh! You weren't talking about Microsoft Word!

Software having some quirks is fine. Most people would be fine with LibreOffice if they were taught the rudiments of word processing (that; not using Word, but actual word processing) and never came into a situation where they had to use Word or Google Docs.

The difference between all those tools is that LibreOffice will still do its thing in the future. Just as it has done for a long while, while Word will have forced some new subscription model on you and force-fed you some AI-integration, and Google will have done some similar googley shit.

Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by tjoff on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:50PM (#50487095)
I agree that LibreOffice has ways to go. But the secret is that MS office is just worse in every single way except mind share.

Most people don't use MS office by choice though so "goodness" isn't a particular relevant metric.

Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by Narishma on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:50PM (#50487108)
> If LibreOffice were good enough already, it would already be popular.

Not true. There's inertia and network effects in play that often prevent better products from succeeding against established ones.

Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by emsixteen on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:58PM (#50487224)
Let's be honest though, the UI is absolutely dreadful.
Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by chris_wot on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:26PM (#50487645)
What specifically don't you like?
Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by eastbound on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:38PM (#50487839)
On Mac, all key mappings are still wired for PC. In the Save As dialog, Alt-Shit-Left to select the last word of the filename doesn't work, the Home key doesn't work, the Cmd+C doesn't copy, nothing works like on Mac.

Basically the keyboard is all wired weirdly in LibreOffice for Mac.

Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by adrian_b on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:26PM (#50487649)
Are you talking about MS Office?

In my opinion, the user interface of modern MS Office is absolutely horrible.

I have used a lot of old MS Office versions, and until 20 years ago I thought that its user interface was very good.

Then there was a gap of about a decade when I did not need MS Office at work and I also had no reason to update my personally purchased MS Office Professional (which I was running on Linux, using Crossover, where it was more performant and more stable than on Windows).

After that gap, when I encountered again MS Office, I was shocked by how awkward its UI had become meanwhile.

Today I prefer very much the UI of LibreOffice, which is similar to the old MS UI, instead of the modern MS Office UI.

There are a lot of things that I dislike in the LibreOffice UI, but even so, I consider the MS Office UI much worse.

Because there was a time in the past when I was a heavy MS Office user, when using the modern MS Office I am aware about a great number of commands that exist, but I am no longer able to find them in the MS Office menus.

In the old MS Office, those commands were grouped in a way that was logical for me, so it was easy to find them even when I did not know where they were, because I had not used them before. But in the modern interface many commands are not where I would expect them to be, so there have been many case when I had to do a random search through all menus, to locate them after a long time.

Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by k0morebi on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:11PM (#50489716)
For years I used a custom plugin that restored the regular file menus in lieu of the ribbon. I still can't find anything in the ribbon in excel. Is it in the home tab, formatting, or data? Guess I'll look in each. Every time. Something about it that after so many years can't internalize it.
Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by inanutshellus on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:29PM (#50487679)
The magic of capitalism is that it can pay for superfluous fluff like "make the toolbars look slightly different". Just costs $120/year!
Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by BadBadJellyBean on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:39PM (#50487841)
When was the last time you have used LibreOffice? The newer versions are heavily inspired by the office workflow. Maybe the design is a bit boring but it's not bad.
Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by somewhereoutth on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:55PM (#50487178)
As an occasional user of GIMP, yes it does not quite have the final level of UX polish.

For example, moving a text layer (with 'pick layer') requires the cursor to be over the painted part of the glyphs to move that layer, if you miss then the background is moved instead. All that is required is a picking region around the glyphs and it would be fine.

Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by somat on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:49PM (#50490374)
Not sure if this hurts or help the case for the gimp but that behavior is a tool option for the move command.

    pick a layer or guide
    move the selected layers
Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by adrian_b on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:04PM (#50487323)
I consider LibreOffice Writer superior to old MS Word versions, and old MS Word versions superior to new MS Word versions.

In my opinion, the quality of MS Word peaked some time in the early 2000s.

So today, given the choice between LibreOffice and MS Word, I would always choose LibreOffice, even if MS Word were free, and despite the fact that LibreOffice Writer has some annoying bugs that have not been fixed for many years, but I find easier to work around those bugs than to cope with the user interface of modern MS Word.

On the other hand, I agree that MS Excel is clearly superior to LibreOffice Calc. Nonetheless, there already are decades since I switched to LibreOffice Calc and I did not need the extra features of MS Excel. For things beyond the capabilities of Calc, I use a real database, though that would probably not be the best solution for a typical office worker.

Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by halJordan on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:15PM (#50488346)
What I read from your comment is that youre proud of being stuck in the past. For whatever it's worth (to you, the viability of libreoffice) you're wrong that a multi decade old ui is better than today's.

And the whole "I'm proud of being a curmudgeon " is exactly the problem being identified by others in this thread. It's like you weren't even reading it.

Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by carlosjobim on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:24PM (#50488461)
Computers are tools used to achieve end results. The end results desired from a document editor are the same today as they were 30 years ago, and 70 years ago.
Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by dghlsakjg on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:42PM (#50488675)
That's incredibly uncharitable interpretation of what the words in the comment say.

Consider this: Word Processing, and Word Processor UX was a solved problem from his perspective 20 years ago (he is far from alone in this opinion). Quite honestly, I have no idea what Word today is doing for me that the Word I was using 2 decades ago wasn't already doing.

It isn't curmudgeonly to say that a product has reached maturity, and does not need changes. This happens a lot outside of the computing realm; a screwdriver from 50 years ago is basically the same as a modern one. A mechanic using his grandfather's screwdriver isn't "proud of being a curmudgeon" they are just using a perfectly good tool that doesn't need updates.

Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by tpm on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:53PM (#50488788)
I can't use the ms office ribbon ui. Guessing by the fact no other modern desktop software I'm using copied it, it's probably not just me.

So perhaps they are not wrong and newer doesn't always mean better.

Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by NathanielK on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:11PM (#50488983)
The two big cad packages Solidworks and Inventor both use ribbon type menus. I think it works ok for this purpose.
Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by tpm on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:14PM (#50491510)
Might be, but there is probably a reason other desktop ui features got much wider adoption than that.

I understand millions of people are able to use ms word. I just can't work with the UI. It even makes me angry and aggressive. And that's not an easy thing to achieve.

Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by eldaisfish on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:09PM (#50488968)
not everything new is necessarily better. What i read from your comment is that you take the word "new" to be synonymous with "better".

Would you agree that a "new" TV that requires an internet connection is worse than a ten year old TV that just works?

Would you agree that decades of UI research are discarded by supposedly "new" and "modern" computer interfaces?

Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by maxerickson on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:49PM (#50488744)
It's fairly likely that your (reasonable) complaint is that you don't know where the buttons are anymore. I edit dozens of somewhat complex documents and don't really spend much time thinking about the interface.

A big thing that came with the roll out of OOXML, along with the controversy, is that all of the weird serialization corruption bugs went away.

Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by knottn on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:13PM (#50489012)
> OOXML, along with the controversy, is that all of the weird serialization corruption bugs went away.

My mileage varies.

Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by eastbound on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:33PM (#50487768)
Audacity has gone through this transformation. Tantacrul (designer, MS Paint 3D, and musician) made a video about how he directed the rewrite of the UI for version 4:

https://youtu.be/QYM3TWf_G38

Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by mschuster91 on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:03PM (#50488189)
> If LibreOffice were good enough already, it would already be popular.

The problem is the lack of integration into a wider ecosystem, that's what MS provides.

Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by rythie on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:06PM (#50488247)
The main problem is that if you get sent any slightly complicated word document, it doesn’t display properly. Equally if you create something using it and have to send it to someone who uses Word, then it doesn’t work properly for them. For non-work things, I find Google Docs and spreadsheets do everything I need and I don’t have MS Office on my personal machine. YMMV.
Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by drdexebtjl on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:01PM (#50488867)
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Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by rjh29 on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:11PM (#50489701)
It's not just LibreOffice. Microsoft's 365 web apps don't display desktop documents properly either.
Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by hobo123 on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:10PM (#50488288)
I use LO Calc on my home and work computers, and my work computer comes with Excel installed. shrug
Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by aorloff on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:13PM (#50488321)
Its popular enough for me, I use Libre exclusively when not using google docs
Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by CivBase on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:14PM (#50488339)
Been happily using both for a long time. GIMP for 20 yr and LibreOffice for 8 yr. Granted my use cases are not professional.
Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by nephihaha on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:32PM (#50488559)
GIMP is excellent, but you have to tinker around with it to get results. I have used GIMP to edit mg artwork for three exhibitions so far.
Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by BeetleB on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:45PM (#50488697)
While Gimp has some UI issues, as someone who learned Gimp first, I don't "struggle" with it. It's very effective, and while you can call it a distant 2nd to Photoshop, anything else would be a distant 3rd to Gimp.

I don't do photoediting any more, but Gimp + plugins was great. In those days, it wasn't unusual for Gimp to get some new capability before Photoshop (e.g. Liquid Rescale, various denoising algorithms). The academics would often demonstrate their new algorithm using Gimp plugins.

Re:"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying." by blablabla123 on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:03PM (#50488892)
I must admit it was strange to get used to it. If you need to create professional looking documents, it's necessary to adjust line height, be able to work with tables etc. That being said, once you need to look up your favorite functions with Google.

Also LibreOffice (former OpenOffice) had PDF export a decade before Word. This seems to be a ridiculously essential feature. Last but not least, it's way more comprehensive than Google Docs.