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Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by conductr on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @07:14PM (#50448158)
As a free roaming latchkey kid, the Life360 stuff is so bizarre to me. I have some family that tracked their kids in high school, then college, then it has continued into their late 20s now. The way they talk about their normal mom-kid dynamics are so strange. Mom constantly checking in, on a drive and stop to use the restroom, mom assumes it’s a flat tire or whatever and has to check in. Stuff like that. I still regularly just go all damn day without picking up my phone, leave the house without it, and all that and just can’t imagine having to answer to anyone. There’s just such a lack of independence that comes with it all that I think I would find defeating. But, it’s these kids norm and they just shrug it off because everyone they know seems to be doing something similar.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by Choad_20261104 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @07:31PM (#50448295)
...except I get the sense that this creates a shelter such that the pair or members of the shelter never become independent enough to trust that what happens unseen/unwitnessed is trustworthy. certainly that depends upon the dynamics, but it seems that the sooner you begin developing independence and trust with that freedom of some personal secrecy the sooner a real adult relationship formation will abide.

I am not like you, from a long lost generation before the twisted pair gave way. summers from age 8 and beyond were days of unfettered freedom. I feel very fortunate

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by throwaway2037 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @08:00PM (#50448510)

    > I still regularly just go all damn day without picking up my phone, leave the house without it, and all that and just can’t imagine having to answer to anyone.
I assume that you are a man. Do you know any women who do the same? I don't. To be clear, I'm not here to start a gender war, but women are way more attached to their mobile phones for a wide variety of reasons.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by conductr on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @08:06PM (#50448552)
Definitely. But the family I mentioned also are men, just younger. I get women have different things to consider. But also, not always. I think they’d be safe in a populated area during daylight hours. Dating and meeting up with strangers is obviously a bit more complicated.

It’s impossible to say for sure, it I think I’d tell some to get concerned at a certain time if I hadn’t checked in. I still wouldn’t want people reaching out to me for every unscripted move I made.

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by AnneTrotter on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @08:18PM (#50448654)
Lol.

Take a survey of women and let us know the results. I think you are profoundly underestimating the safety net phones are seen as by women, but would be fascinated to be proven wrong. Could segregate by age and location - but even elderly rural women raised 90% of their life without phones routinely cary them these days for medical assistance.

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by conductr on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @08:59PM (#50448942)
Survey results are people’s opinions of risk. For the times and places I’m talking about, I think people have a massive delusion towards actual risks.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by autoexec on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @09:50PM (#50449235)
I'm guessing actual statistics will show that men are much more likely to experience violence, and much less likely to get help/support from others, but I don't think that'll make women feel any better about their own very real risks. It'd be nice if they had a way to feel safer without endangering themselves by surrendering their freedom and personal data to corporations who want to profit from keeping them under surveillance.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by everybodyknows on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @01:54PM (#50457054)
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Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by AnneTrotter on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @11:35PM (#50463111)
I think that your definition of violence might be an interesting bit of bias here.

Let me try a metaphor. You get a job offer. It's good money. You need to move to a town which is REALLY REALLY into American football. Dedicated to it 100% and there's no rules against steroid use. 50% of the town are steroid using players. You will be providing them IT support. The steroids they use make all the players twice your size and strength, a little more violent and less predictable than you, and coincidentally all sexually attracted to men.

You will be living there for one year on this contract. What changes might you expect to see in your own behavior over the year you are employed there?

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by throwaway2037 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @11:07PM (#50449643)
This seems like an especially insensitive reply. Have you ever spoken to someone that was a victim of violence? Their brain is rewired to be much more afraid. Most women I know have experienced violence or something very scary that permanently altered their world view of safety.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by conductr on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @01:54PM (#50457053)
I’m a male and got robbed once by a guy with a knife when I was 17. Like, the deranged murderer guy you see on news stories. Scared the shit out of me. Have had other encounters of violence inflicted upon me. But most women have encountered nothing as severe or violent as actually being attacked like that.

I’m more aware of my surroundings, and the environments I enter especially when alone. I didn’t let it become a fear of the world and let it turn me into a hermit or have a significant impact on my life. I think we should call bs on some people’s fears. So if that’s insensitive, I’m perfectly ok with it. People are too damn sensitive/anxious and there’s a massive mental health crisis it contributes to.

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by cj9 on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @03:30PM (#50458253)
I wouldn't say it's being insensitive so much as irrational.

Simply, you are not other people. You don't know how they feel. You don't exist with their brain. You haven't experienced their lives. You don't have the same situation or opportunities. Therefore, you have no basis to make such judgements without incredible amounts of skepticism, especially if you can't or won't attempt empathetic understanding towards others. That disregards these basic facts.

Given this is HN, follow the logical route. Look at the science and statistics. The science shows that our brains can fundamentally change with both development (chronic) and single-event (acute) trauma. There's no way on earth this will be experienced the same for everybody, yet vast numbers of people end up experience similar symptoms, as shown in the statistics.

Your personal experience with crime, which you say changed how you approach the world to be more paranoid/anxious yourself, has been spun into positive "traits" of rational self-protection. Yet you immediately scorn others similar reactions by describing their response as a personal/societal (unclear) mental health crisis.

I'd argue a deeper mental health issue is such a lack of self-awareness or humility, instead being proud in having a purposeful disconnection from what we all share as human beings. Rather than recognizing people are all simply coping in individual ways, you must diagnose issues with others as a "them" problem because "me" feels fine so obviously "me" must have all the answers?

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by AnneTrotter on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @11:52PM (#50463193)
Ironically, your experience puts you closer to most women's experiences than you realize. You are the girl who got told it was her clothing choice that was the problem when she was walking home and got assaulted by the scary drunk guy.

I'm not particularly attractive, but have been physically grabbed and held by a strange man in broad daylight while walking - he wanted money, I didn't have any. Been followed and yelled at while walking from my car to the fast food place with a coworker while wearing our military uniform. Got a car turn around and file me while running at 4 am. Got yelled at by a van full of guys while running in a snowstorm at 5 am. Got my ass grabbed by a MUCH larger guy in a closed space at work - he was an engineer repairing comms gear I was responsible for.

I feel like I have lived a relatively safe life and am not particularly upset by most of this stuff, it's just random background noise. I don't go out drinking, I won't hang around drinking places, I don't have anything to do with drugs, I don't hang out with losers. I'm not small or particularly feminine in appearance. It doesn't matter.

Every woman you know has a few of these random things happen. Every single one. The "level of violence" used on us isn't the same as is used on men by men because why bother with a knife when you don't need it? What guy needs anything but his fists to hurt a woman?

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by Manuel_D on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @03:52PM (#50458509)
The point is, men are violently victimized at 2-3x the rate of women. This is pretty consistent across all countries. If being victims of violence rewires someone's brain to be more afraid, we'd expect men to be more concerned for their safety than women.

The reality is that the gender disparity on fear of violence exists despite women being significantly less likely to be violently victimized. Women are just more risk adverse in general.

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by pyth0 on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @05:34PM (#50459751)
The 2-3x figure is about "homicide" not "nonfatal violence" which this thread has been about. And for non-fatal violence, at least in the US, the numbers put the rates of female victimization higher (although quite close) than male victimization [1]. It does seem to be true that in general, women report more fear than their raw victimization rates would predict, but this is more understandable once you recognize that the specific forms of violence experienced by men and women are usually different: for women it’s far more often a partner, someone they know, or sexual violence [2].

[1] https://bjs.ojp.gov/document/cv23.pdf

[2] https://webarchive.library.unt.edu/eot2008/20080923133123/ht...

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by AnneTrotter on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @08:14PM (#50448615)
I remember a conversation in the running subreddit a decade or so ago. Someone posted disdainfully that they didn't like the trend towards running with gear, and they personally ran with nothing but shorts, socks, and shoes.

My immediate thought was "ok so you're a young white male in a safe location running short distances in good weather during daylight hours only". Because any variation from that set means more gear.

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by throwaway2037 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @08:18PM (#50448658)
Exactly. About my previous comment, even if you are a privileged young women living in a safe area, you still want your phone to talk/chat with your girlfriends. On average, young men spent much less time talking/chatting with friends on their phone.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by conductr on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @09:33PM (#50449127)
I think we’re “lazy” and have no urge to nest and generally have a utilitarian sensibility.

Lazy in the sense that we only think of bare essentials for most things, especially something like jogging. We don’t want to create more work for ourselves by dirtying more clothes than necessary, accessorizing, etc. We also generally just care a lot less about fashion and how people perceive us. Probably because we hardly even get noticed compared to women. It’s not like people are gawking if we wear the wrong bra. Women are more self conscious and care more in general about how they’re perceived.

The apartment comes with bare walls. Inertia is bare walls.

My wife likes putting everything on display. Like if there’s any surface, her urge is to cover it with what I call knickknacks, trinkets, and probably a dozen pictures. For me, it’s all clutter. Collects dust, creating a chore. If there’s an open wall she wants to hang stuff on it. She likes a wall of 100 small pictures, I’d prefer 1 large framed art. To me her way makes me feel things are chaotic. My way makes her feel it’s clinical and uninviting. We’ve found a balance that works for both of us. But I think if I were to psychoanalyze it, it’s rooted in the same thing that makes women’s brains always running/worrying and not understanding what men mean when they say “nothing” when asked “what are you thinking about?”

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by autoexec on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @10:00PM (#50449291)
> What is it that appeals so much to young men about minimalism?

It's hard to generalize, and I myself am probably atypical here, but I suspect that most young men have their own 'little homely touches'. They might be less likely to run out and buy curtains or hang up pictures but I've seen things like random sports stuff (team merch or equipment that hasn't seen use in ages), old bear cans, action figures, books, guns, guitars, and the occasional dead animal displayed (or at least constantly left out and in view).

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by raxy on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @04:28AM (#50451315)
You're probably seeing utilitarianism in young men more than minimalism, however they do look very similar. The minimalism throughout the home of (many) single men quite often orients around one "high spec item", like a TV, PC, workspace, exercise setup.

I think in contrast (most) young women's homes have more social signalling in them, homely touches, which has its own benefit equal to or most likely greater than minimalism.

I can say myself that I've always been minimalistic. My flat was bare bones because I treat the place mostly as a place to eat and sleep between spending most of my time outdoors or away from home. As soon as my girlfriend moved in a few years back the flat went from everything white and minimalistic to being colourful. I'm glad there is more colour to the place and that somebody with an eye for it has taken charge of it, but I know if I went back to being single again tommorow I'd go back to not having much around the place.

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by nonameiguess on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @10:03AM (#50454301)
At least for me, housing wasn't exactly stable in my early 20s. Flaky methhead roommates. Lease terminations. Getting laid off from an hourly wage job while living paycheck to paycheck. I've got a life of great privilege now but it wasn't always like that. I had to move frequently and even straight live out of my car a few times. I intentionally owned nothing more than I could pack inside of an hour and fit in the backseat of a '94 Civic because I actually had to pack up my life and fit it in the backseat of a '94 Civic more than once.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by AnneTrotter on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @11:58PM (#50463232)
I figured some of it was socialization - women are often socialized to be mindful of our own comfort and aware of our emotional nerds. Men are socialized to ignore comfort.

One thing that's been wonderful to see has been men online sharing their living spaces and being told to get a plant and make their spaces homey. Guys should be encouraged to care for themselves and be happy and comfortable in their homes, regardless of the presence of women. It's really nice to see men actually taking care of themselves instead of living in sad helpless little minimalist hovels.

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by Newlaptop on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @08:56PM (#50448922)
People in my home country (Kenya) run long distances while being neither white nor male and even in the rain, without any gear.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by throwaway2037 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @11:03PM (#50449624)
Wait until you get rich. Then people will endless amounts of running gear to show-off their social status. And do really expect me to believe that local women go running in Nairobi without a mobile phone (at least for their safety)?
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by virtualbluesky on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @11:49PM (#50449856)
Let people tell you things. Telling them they don't yet qualify for a real opinion is demeaning. If they are wrong, then they are wrong, but they are still entitled to their perspective and experience.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by AnneTrotter on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:02AM (#50463250)
I actually thought, while typing, that my point was probably irrelevant to Kenya specifically because of the local running culture there
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by moi2388 on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @01:01AM (#50450167)
What an absolute nonsense. My wife often goes running without any gear. At night. In the dark.

Know how often something bad happened? Never.

I find it a very strange assumption, especially given the fact that men are much more likely to become victims of aggression.

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by throwaway2037 on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @01:10AM (#50450199)
Thank you to share your story. Jesus, where do you live where that is possible? Are you rural?
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by rcxdude on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @08:00AM (#50452883)
The risks may be much higher for women, but in most places the base rate is still very low. "Assaulted by a stranger on the street" is actually fairly low in the risks for almost anyone: the vast majority of assaults, especially sexual assaults, are perpetrated by someone the victim knows.

(This also doesn't mean that such concerns are irrational, just that the risks are not so high that you should expect every woman going out for a run in the dark is eventually going to be assaulted)

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by cowlevel on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @10:53AM (#50454863)
reminds me of the OSRS wilderness. I've encountered so many people who are afraid to even step foot in there for any reason.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by throwaway2037 on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @11:50AM (#50455540)

    > is actually fairly low in the risks for almost anyone: the vast majority of assaults, especially sexual assaults, are perpetrated by someone the victim knows.
I need to troll here: You mispelled actually. It should be "ackchyually". Please read "moar" about the meme here[1]. I'm not here to start gender wars, but your response is incredibly tone deaf to the world that women experience in rich, middle class, and developing countries. I keep seeing this bullshit on HN where a comfortable dude has something to say about how women's fear is "irrational". No, that is not has the human brain works regarding safety. It is irrationally afraid. That is how we survive -- both men and women.

[1] https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ackchyually-actually-guy

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by rcxdude on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @12:23PM (#50455937)
You're claiming a lot of things I didn't say and in fact I explicitly called out in my post that I was not saying.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by moi2388 on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @09:00AM (#50453535)
In the EU. Provincial capital. 5 minute walk from the city centre.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by throwaway2037 on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @11:52AM (#50455566)
Can you acknowledge that many women in similar circumstances do not enjoy the same levels of personal safety?
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by AnneTrotter on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:17AM (#50463343)
So - not actually in the dark. Street lights exist for your area.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by defrost on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:31AM (#50463415)
If that's the bit that you're jumping on, there are people here in Western Australia (myself included) that are happy to run at night under a full moon with no carried lights or artificial street lights on beaches and along roads and tracks that are known.

Once your eyes adapt the full moon is easily bright enough to illuminate the ground.

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by AnneTrotter on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:04AM (#50463257)
Your wife runs in the dark without a light?
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by nonameiguess on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @09:56AM (#50454215)
I'm really curious why these traits specifically. I suppose I get why women feel threatened just existing outside of locked doors and walls, but you rattled off a very long list of otherwise not true things. I'm not young, not white, run through poor neighborhoods with high crime, usually extremely early hours before the sun is up, sometimes in the rain. I still almost always only have shorts, socks, and shoes. A shirt half the year. What is the perceived benefit to more gear?

It's not like I've never suffered for it, for whatever that's worth. I turned an ankle at about the worst imaginable place a few years back and had to limp home nearly ten miles, which took half the day. Definitely having a phone with me would have made that more convenient, but I lived, it's still only half a day, and I've now got an amusing story to tell alongside all the times I've had to shit on the sidewalk in front of a building in downtown Dallas because the world refuses to have usable toilets anywhere outside of daytime business hours. I've broken my hand once on a run, but you don't need a hand to keep running.

I've also had a phone and it didn't help. I faceplanted hill bombing on a longboard a few years back and it turns out no rideshare driver will let you into their car when you're covered in blood, so I had to take my swollen shut eye, hanging limp separated arm, and go back home on the board and drive myself to the ER in my own car.

I feel like this kind of goes back to the entire point of the article. Like the guy who started this thread, I was a child of the 80s with a teen mom who put basically no restrictions on me and let me do anything, so I was walking around the neighborhood at 1 AM in 1st grade, riding my bike every weekend to the LA County public library 15 miles away when I was 8, going to skid row to hand out cash to homeless people when I got a car at 16. I capsized a canoe in the middle of Lake Arrowhead my freshman year of high school and had to swim back to shore dragging a boat behind me, which took over an hour. I got assaulted by a crazy dude living under a table on a pedestrian bridge skateboarding past him early in the morning, and I won the fight but he burned the hell out of my eye throwing hot sauce at me of all things. I've had my house flood. I've had my car smashed by a city dump truck while it was parked. I've had 9 orthopedic surgeries since turning 35 and my lumbar spine is now one solid bone held in place by screws and rods. I've been divorced twice. I've survived combat. I'm not afraid of bad things happening to me because they already happened and I ended up fine. This also gets at the other point already raised that, though women certainly seem to feel more threatened by the world, men are more likely to experience violence, injury, and early death because men take more risks.

I will, of course, meet a fate I can't overcome at some point. I'm going to die and there will likely be at least one thing I could have done differently that might have put that off by anywhere from a few minutes to a few decades. Maybe at the minute of death I'll even regret that. But I doubt it. I've been extremely close a few times and I was at peace with the idea. It has to happen eventually. I've still enjoyed most of the time I've had and intend to continue doing that. I've seen the lives of the extremely scared and it doesn't seem like they're doing any better than me.

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by throwaway2037 on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @11:43AM (#50455447)

    > I'm really curious why these traits specifically. I suppose I get why women feel threatened just existing outside of locked doors and walls, but you rattled off a very long list of otherwise not true things. I'm not young, not white, run through poor neighborhoods with high crime, usually extremely early hours before the sun is up, sometimes in the rain. I still almost always only have shorts, socks, and shoes. A shirt half the year.
Jeez, tell me you are a man without telling me that you are a man. Switch genders: Would you ever write this post? I doubt it.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by cj9 on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @03:47PM (#50458455)
These guys hyper-rationalize their own lives to feel secure in the decisions they make and how they feel about the world. This instills a fear of anything that doesn't fit with their world model, i.e. practicing empathy is painful and risky.

They paradoxically feel like very "tolerant" people because they disagree with so much, so the few things about the world and others they don't accept feels like a lot of work to sit with without constant judgement or disapproval, and often this leads to subtle manipulation if they don't feel comfortable enough. Even then, a lot of what they actually say they "accept" is just self-serving, e.g. authority figures, attempted relationships, status quo, etc.

In another paradox, the world becomes more confusing and complicated for them because eventually nothing truly makes sense, if we confidently try to live an oversimplified version of the actually complex and messy universe we are faced with. There's a feedback loop here that amplifies the situation to the point of disconnecting from reality.

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by AnneTrotter on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:15AM (#50463332)
so you're a young white male - black men running are more likely to need to prove they are't running to or away, but for fun. Gear signals "runner" vs "arrest me". Ymmv on this one these days but the black guys running in my area were always careful to look the part.

in a safe location Fairly obvious. Phones at a minimum. Pepper spray too sometimes. Safe varies by gender. I ran through a heavily monitored area (data centers and government offices at 5 am) near a police station and still had a car turn and slow to follow me for a bit until I found a lit shopping are with people.

Running short distances Longer distances need water, electrolytes, and a phone. A bit of moleskin for blisters and a pack of tissues is also useful. If you're regularly doing 2-3 hours running without water, I would maybe worry about your kidneys.

in good weather A little rain isn't bad weather. If you are half naked running in the snow, I am going to assume you are on drugs. "Good weather" is also relative to running. If you are running in high humidity or heat, you need a hat, a shirt or sunblock, water, electrolytes.

During daylight hours only

You know folks running in the dark without a headlamp or reflective vest?

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by autoexec on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @09:45PM (#50449195)
I know women who leave the house without their phones. I also know women who only share their location with their friends when they go out for a night of drinking or their first few dates with a new partner, but otherwise don't feel a need to be tethered to a phone and monitored to feel safe.

Then again, I've also got a niece who has expressed that her phone is a constant source of anxiety. She feels like she has to immediately respond to every text and social media post from her friends no matter what or there will be consequences which could range from causing others worry to losing social status and being potentially excluded as punishment. It sounds like a nightmare.

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by LocalH on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @07:10PM (#50460958)
I'm waiting for the day when some advocacy group pops up that argues not having such tracking for your kids is prima facie evidence of neglect. You're already seeing that in many places in the US with regards to allowing kids to be unsupervised in any way for any length of time, even if they are not being anything other than just normal kids playing and learning about the world outside the walls of their home, and police/CPS being called resulting in parents being charged criminally.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by Eisenstein on Thursday November 12, 2026 @02:54AM (#50464264)
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Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by fizzbuzzbarbazz on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:03AM (#50467258)
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by Eisenstein on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:05AM (#50469634)
Thanks for the example. A visit from the CPS and having a case on file is terrible. At least in this case there were no criminal charges and the child was not removed and they have some good pro-bono legal representation.

The good news is that many states has passed laws specifically to make this type of parenting legal.

"Georgia, Florida, and Missouri join eight other states that have adopted Reasonable Childhood Independence' laws.

...

"These bills establish clear exceptions to the statutory definitions of neglect and abuse in state laws, ensuring that parents cannot be penalized for allowing their children to engage in regular activities such as walking to the store, playing outdoors, or staying home alone under reasonable circumstances. State laws will still prohibit clearly harmful neglect or endangerment. However, these “reasonable childhood independence” bills reassure parents that they will not face a significant run-in with law enforcement for permitting their child to pursue healthy, independent activities." [1]

So, it seems there is growing and effective opposition to such a trend.

[1] https://reason.org/commentary/new-georgia-florida-and-missou...