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Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by everdrive on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:04PM (#50430056)
Women seem to have this special blind spot for men. It's all "empathy this" and "acceptance that," until it's a man. When they see a weak man, what they feel is disgust. And in their disgust, they try to find reasons to invalidate the suffering. He brought it on himself, or he's choosing to suffer because he refuses to open up, or women are suffering worse, etc.

I think this is an intuitive reaction. It's like being grossed out by dog poop on the ground. You feel the disgust first, and although an evolutionary psychology explanation for that disgust may be true (eg, "you have evolved disgust for dog poop to prevent illness and infection) intellectualizing it further would be totally superfluous. People experience the proximate cause for these sort of evolved behaviors, even when they intellectually know better. If you think you're above this sort of reaction, try "choosing" to be attracted to an 80 year old woman.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by garciasn on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:07PM (#50430111)
Someone hurt you; I'm sorry for that. But, you're making sweeping generalizations about ~50% of the world's behavior and, while this may be your perception, I think you could use some genuine therapy to help w/the struggles you clearly are facing.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by dghlsakjg on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:33PM (#50431635)
They aren't anti-female, they are down-voting your personal take.

You invalidated a lived experience that a lot of people can confirm by telling someone that their opinion is so off that they need therapy.

> But, you're making sweeping generalizations about ~50% of the world's behavior

sounds a lot like "not all women"... yeah, but enough of them for many men to have learned to be cautious around vulnerability with women. Its the same thing as guys who don't understand the man vs. bear thing.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by garciasn on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:48PM (#50432730)
Considering the parent was flagged, nope.

You may not have read what they wrote and I responded to, but you just invalidated what I was reminding to by saying wo(men). Yes; PEOPLE can be hurtful, but the parent was specifically talking about WOMEN.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by d--b on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:14PM (#50430218)
Nah, that's simply not true in the general case.

There are subcultures in which men showing vulnerability are considered bad. But in those subcultures, men are just as mean to other men as women are. And women embracing this are usually not very "empathy this" and "acceptance that" towards anybody.

There is definitely a part of feminist culture is openly aggressive toward men in general while being "empathy this" towards women. But they are usually way more aggressive towards cocky men than weak men.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by 0x1ch on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:14PM (#50430230)
It starts in college, having lived through those first couple sentences verbatim. There is a group / pack mentality around this behavior as well, but I'm not really educated on psychology enough to describe it further.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by FLeXMurphy on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:41PM (#50430753)
The interesting thing about this is you don't need schooling to get in the way of education.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by echelon on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:21PM (#50430335)
None of us chose to be born in our bodies or as humans (as opposed to aliens or AIs or whatever). Our brains have to make the most of the circumstances given to us, and we spend our entire lives trying to do this.

Jealousy, the desire to spite others, spread rumors, speak negative or ill, feel self-pity - these are further evolutionary games we play to climb the fitness landscape and escape local minima.

The rewards of this life are finite and your biology will always want more. Even if you're the richest and most handsome person, the hedonic treadmill will keep you running. However high the highs are, they're finite and ephemeral. Everyone living on this earth with you today will be dead in ~80ish years. And that's the blink of an eye. None of their riches or victories or accolades will go with them anywhere.

Look up, not down. Build towards a better tomorrow. Don't worry about other people. Be the best you can be.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by mrluckysmith on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:21PM (#50430342)
I have had similar experience in my personal life in multiple relationships, including my wife. I've learned to never complain about anything in front of women and just white knuckle whatever difficulties I get at any given moment. This approach helped me secure more respect and better overall response from women. Showing weakness triggers the disgust response that you mentioned. It could be masked under pity, but you lose respect quickly. Working through my issues with male friends is more productive for me.

The only woman who actually cares for me has been my mother.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by neglesaks on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:59PM (#50431068)
I know many that echo that exact experience(s), sadly.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by shermantanktop on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:23PM (#50430392)
> try "choosing" to be attracted to an 80 year old woman

Not a great example. Elderly women may not be your thing, but nursing homes are apparently hotbeds of STDs. There's someone out there for everyone.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by moolcool on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:26PM (#50430452)
No offence, but comment seems like incel podcast gobbledygook
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by everdrive on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:30PM (#50430509)
Did your "no offense" actually do any work here?
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by moolcool on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:31PM (#50430546)
Fair point, take all the offence you like.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by everdrive on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:35PM (#50430634)
If it helps, I'm happily married with two children.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by monkey_monkey on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:39PM (#50430717)
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Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by moolcool on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:41PM (#50430748)
Do you think your spouse is disgusted by you when you show weakness?
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by TimedToasts on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:58PM (#50431052)
Yes
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by Fricken on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:55PM (#50430978)
So if a man is a position of weakness just label him an incel and then it's ok to be disgusted with him, you're saying.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by cowlevel on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:56PM (#50430998)
Thus proving GGP's point.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by moolcool on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:01PM (#50431093)
That isn't at all what I'm saying.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by Exoristos on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:33PM (#50430597)
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Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by everdrive on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:49PM (#50430892)
I think there are a few potential solutions.

- Currently, the dominant ideology is that there is a victim hierarchy, and if you're in the wrong group (ie, you're privileged) then your opinions and needs don't matter. Moving away from this sort of identitarianism would one important step.

- I think it's important to try to understand why male socialization has fallen apart. (statistically, yes, I'm sure a lot of you still socialize) It's clearly a gendered effect, and I'm genuinely not sure what a reasonable explanation would be. (your comment, men supporting men would play nicely here, although I'm not sure how we make that happen.)

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by Exoristos on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:05PM (#50432128)
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Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by pojzon on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:07PM (#50432154)
If we look at history of our spieces, we came down from a tree 5min ago.

We are in 95% still the same animal and 5% intelligent human.

Vast majority of all of our weird discussions is about us not accepting this fact.

In this case its:

1) Men are competing with each other for resources and women

2) Women only want strong resourceful men

3) Our only purpose was defined by first living cell being born - we have to sustain life

Outcome of the above is:

Nobody cares about men that dont succceed (which ofcourse will cause a lot of men depression).

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by Exoristos on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:22PM (#50432367)
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Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by neglesaks on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:27PM (#50432431)
The above are indeed simple, hard, physical facts of the matter that few wish to address.

edit: typo

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by adipose on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:11PM (#50431250)
what is a "weak" man, in your usage here?

what are non-anecdotal things that support the idea, "When [women] see a weak man, what they feel is disgust."

do men demonstrate the same "disgust" when _they_ "see a weak man"? why or why not?