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Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by mercnz on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:22PM (#50435303)
i've been trying to use sonnet and opus to keep my usage down on the low max plan, but i noticed today that somehow i'm 80% through my weeks usage. so i'm hesistant to even try fable 5.2 yet, but finding the right set point of usage vs model size has been a bit struggle for me, one of my biggest issues has been trying to pull back doing exhaustive testing or other such things that chew through context, and instead have programs that just measure things are working, but i continously seem to run into issues with claude wanting to repeat things for itself in an adhoc manner. i've tried fable directing opus or sonnet subagents, and the reverse. and i found that part of the issue with smaller models trying to direct subagents is that they over specified what they thought the problem was rather than the problem. like they'll have an "idea" about it which is wrong, and then try and feed that into the subagent.
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by drewnick on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:09PM (#50435600)
FWIW I got 2 resets on my Max plan today, the first in at least a month. You may want to check.
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by 7e on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:28PM (#50435353)
Anthropic thinks that their models are smart, but not so smart so as to be able to fake responses to their alignment tests. How would they know again?
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by kimseungyong on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:31PM (#50435366)
The biggest relief is that the price has dropped by 20%. It’s still expensive, but with my $100 plan, Fable’s usage would spike instantly the moment I started using it, so it was always a source of fear. I will still use opus for general coding design, but for major designs.
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by prtmnth on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:04PM (#50435571)
Why Fable 5.2 and not 5.5?

My hypothesis - OpenAI and Anthropic are locked in battle. Whoever takes a step, the other one mirrors.

Based on this hypothesis, I think we can expect to see a new Astra model soon given the new Fable release.

And it could be that Anthropic released Fable 5.2 and kept 5.5 in reserve, in case the new Astra model performs better than 5.2

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by brokencode on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:24PM (#50435687)
I wonder if the 5.5 one needs even better safeguards that they’re still working on, and they decided to release this one as a stopgap.

Or maybe 5.5 turned out to be kind of disappointing and they’re going to just go for like a 5.6 or 6 next instead.

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by user43928 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @04:33AM (#50437963)
My hypothesis is the opposite, that they don't have anything better.

Look at OpenAI, they've been outclassed by Opus 5.5 two months ago; obviously they don't yet have a response.

Now Anthropic is releasing this lackluster Fable 5.2, a week or two before their IPO.

It's barely an improvement at all, makes exactly the same mistakes as Opus 5.5. Not even worth using with the speed and cost penalty.

The much rumored internal Anthropic model is listed on the Fable 5.2 system card as an even smaller improvement over Mythos 5.2 than Fable is over Opus 5.5.

I expected a larger version of Opus 5.5 would be a significant improvement to launch before the IPO. Turns out it didn't scale and the improvement is marginal.

I am quite disappointed.

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by thomasahle on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @05:43AM (#50438453)
Did you see the METR graph? https://x.com/METR_Evals/status/2118412205662314935?a=G4yBKS... Fable/Mythos 5.2 is Model 3 (METR says); but there's also a Model 4.

Who knows why they are saving it. Maybe it needs more training and alignment? Maybe they're timing the media attention around the IPO.

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by XCSme on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:09PM (#50435602)
In my tests Opus 5.5 does better than Fable 5.2, for cheaper.

https://aibenchy.com/compare/anthropic-claude-fable-5-2-high...

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by breakwaterlabs on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:28PM (#50435708)
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by XCSme on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:47PM (#50435812)
Note that Claude models could still do better in some cases, just that because of their refusal to answer sometimes and some weird formatting/stupid errors they make sometimes, they do fail more tests than they should.

In practice they might recover from those errors themselves if they notice it, so they would have better results, but the tests are mostly one-shot and they can either get it wrong or right, no 2nd tries (apart from the agentic ones and a few coding ones which have a limited number of turns available too).

That being said, the pricing and speed are accurate, regardless of the test results.

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by XCSme on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:37PM (#50435763)
I checked which tests it failed, and it failed some very basic coding question (to mention which line a bug is on, got the wrong line, and it did so in multiple such tests and accross different retries, weird).
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by XCSme on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:49PM (#50435820)
It does seem to be fast though, 2x fast than Opus 5.5
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by jeef_berky on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:49PM (#50435823)
I agree, subjectively. I am still satisfied enough with Opus 5.5 I find it hard to change. Typically I would find myself willing to try out the latest & greatest so-called SOTA, but I kind of have "enough." I could get more out of Opus 5.5, and more out of my computer, but the whole idea is I'm trying not to be sitting at the damn computer all day. Fable 5.2 just determined another session is now the "deputy" so I'm wondering what that means.
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by purpleidea on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:30PM (#50435720)
I'd pay twice as much per token if there was a guarantee they weren't nerfing the model and if it is as good as the original Fable was when it was released. I'm doubtful though. Whatever "tweaks" they've been doing (safety? performance? "saving the best for ourselves") has really taken away the magic for me. I want the LLM magic back.
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by dannyw on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:35PM (#50435754)
Are you paying API rates?

I'm pretty confident (from internal evals and monitoring over nearly six months now; across many models) API has never been affected by A/B tests / "nerfs" / etc.

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by drited on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:45PM (#50435802)
That's interesting, could you share a little more about the evals please? I'm interested in knowing how sensitive they might be to nerfing given in the UI at least the incremental changes can he quite subtle
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by purpleidea on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @12:08AM (#50436301)
If they have different "models" depending on if you get it from Bedrock, API from Anthropic, or differing based on which subscription plan you're on, then that's fraud. Disclose the differences.

But FWIW for Fable specifically, I've noticed this via API rates from Anthropic directly. Eg: added cash to my $30/month account to use Fable, and still get obvious nerfing.

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by stkdump on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @01:37AM (#50436838)
But API isn't just twice as much as subscription, is it?
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by kaushaltrii88 on Monday November 09, 2026 @11:13PM (#50435974)
Mythos 5.2 is great
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by kragen on Monday November 09, 2026 @11:35PM (#50436100)
I tried Fable 5.2 tonight asking if for a code review of an in-browser machine vision project done by Opus 5.5 over the last 11 days. It used up my 5-hour token budget in half an hour and reported a lot of problems that actually seem pretty bad. But that's just a first impression.
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by weatherlite on Monday November 09, 2026 @11:42PM (#50436142)
When Fable 5.3 comes out and you give it the same prompt it will take 10 hours , cost twice as much and still find pretty bad problems. I say stick to Opus...
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by sorrywhat on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @02:31AM (#50437194)
Scary stuff! You should immediately get another subscription and ask another instance of Fable 5.2 to review the findings (don't read them yourself, it will introduce bias in the super AGI's output)
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by weird-eye-issue on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @03:52AM (#50437699)
> But that's just a first impression.

Your first impression is that you have no clue if any of its findings actually mean anything because you can't even understand them or the vibe coded slop you've been creating? Why would anyone care?

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by kragen on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @04:13AM (#50437847)
You don't seem to have understood my comment very well.

I understand what the findings say, except for one comment about parabolic vertices. What I don't know is whether any of them are true. It could be hallucinating!

But it probably isn't. The bugs are probably real. The computer vision algorithm result images it's showing me are probably real, not fake. Its claims about the different approach to take might be mistaken, as opposed to fake, but even that seems unlikely.

But I don't know.

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by weird-eye-issue on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @04:18AM (#50437879)
> You don't seem to have understood my comment very well.

> But I don't know.

Yes, I understood your comment perfectly.

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by kragen on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @04:40AM (#50438003)
You said, "Your first impression is that you have no clue if any of its findings actually mean anything because you can't even understand them [...]".

I do in fact understand the findings, as I already clarified in the comment you just clicked "reply" on, and nothing in my original comment suggests that I don't, so you evidently misread it. There's no shame in admitting that. People make mistakes all the time. The shame is in refusing to correct them.

I'll have firmer information once the model has been out for more than 24 hours. But I think my experience report is already firm enough to be useful.

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by weird-eye-issue on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @05:14AM (#50438233)
Understanding findings in this context would require that you actually know whether they are true or false, not just that you know what the words mean.
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by kragen on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @05:38AM (#50438416)
You seem to be attempting to redefine the word "understand" so that it makes your false statement true. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by hlincontacts on Monday November 09, 2026 @11:37PM (#50436112)
We've gotten to the point where you have to be doing some seriously ambitious stuff to see a difference between fable and opus. Both execute beautifully, but I think for my workflows I'll still be using opus 5.5
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by brcmthrowaway on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @12:31AM (#50436460)
And what are you using them for?
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Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by pkulak on Monday November 09, 2026 @11:59PM (#50436244)
Fable 5.2 may finally be so far ahead of my intelligence that it's not useful for day-to-day tasks. I gave it something to do in a personal project of mine, and took my standard flow of "let's talk about this, explain the options, tradeoffs, blah blah blah" and after 5 minutes my vision was blurry and I was doubting if I even knew how my own project worked. Gave it to Opus 5.5, and instantly got back on track.
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by vegnus on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @12:17AM (#50436358)
Isn't interesting how every model at first is incredible and then a few weeks/months later its bad again, and then the new model is incredible again?
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by baalimago on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @01:09AM (#50436677)
Hopefully this de-nerfs opus 5.5 as well
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by franze on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @01:49AM (#50436911)
here is my 2shot-es first person qix clone (one of my personal benchmarks) qretty ok - https://claude.ai/artifact/69k6aLK8W4HgkGzbGuvAzD
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by toheedak333 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @01:50AM (#50436915)
concerning that the models are becoming much better at evading monitors by controlling their visible reasoning, even in deliberate sandabagging (its 25% attempts only). We need more faithful and generalizable monitoring methods.
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by paulus_magnus2 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @02:54AM (#50437346)
Is it only my impression that in recent model releases every vendor is zooming in on hard skills: code, code, some math + physics ? AI is increasingly Jagged ?

We were promised AI can find cure for cancer and in powerpoints most enterprise value comes from Business-AI.

It might as well be that before business-AI can be done we have to cover the basics at superhuman level. All basics, not just entry level jobs like excels, coding jira tickets.

One-shotting a full game (albeit super impressive) looks like overfitting one skill over explaining why we have not much progress in other areas.

I live in an IT bubble and cannot tell if outside IT/math the models are also getting significantly better ?

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by speedboat199 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @02:55AM (#50437347)
Interesting to see that with each new release there are more benchmarks where they report results on Mythos instead of Fable. For example, this time scientific research is reported on Mythos rather than Fable, showing one more domain where everyday joe can never use these models.
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by Fluxenic on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @02:59AM (#50437376)
Why not fable 5.5?
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by fguerraz on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @03:02AM (#50437398)
So that people don't just reach out for it thinking it's the standard best model I guess. Opus is still, IMHO, the best intelligence per dollar, token, and speed.
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by user43928 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @04:42AM (#50438015)
Because it's a bad release and not even worth using over Opus 5.5.

The improvement is marginal, it makes the same exact errors as Opus, but slower and much more expensive.

From what I saw, it has slightly better taste in some 3D mechanics, but mostly doesn't even bring discernible visual improvement.

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by latent-9 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @03:17AM (#50437480)
https://www.anthropic.com/research/glm-5-3-and-the-spread-of...

GLM-5.3 almost equal even I've tried it and it is proven for security audit in the blockchain realm

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by rw2 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @03:23AM (#50437524)
WHo thinks Fable 5.2 is pretty similar to Fable 5.1 when it came out and it's just that 5.1 is so nerfed that a number shift make our perception think it's better.
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by wwind123 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @03:48AM (#50437677)
My experience is that, using Fable to do regular coding or code review work, it's not much better than Opus. But using Fable to do deep thorough audit of the codebase and the system, it's able to catch more problems than Opus can.
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by Calazon on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @04:25AM (#50437920)
Tried this today with 5.2. It caught a lot of problems and gave me an impressive report of its findings.

It also burned through my entire 5-hour limit in about 10 minutes. Granted, it had almost finished the whole review in those 10 minutes, so points for speed I suppose.

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by no-user on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @04:02AM (#50437778)
Initial testing looks like Fable 5.2 is still load bearing.
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by piter6917 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @04:20AM (#50437895)
I used Fable 5.1 today. It looks smooth.I look forward to Fable 5.2 to pick up my code loop holes.
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by raylad on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @04:29AM (#50437942)
Tested Fable 5.2 for some work tasks, using my automated commit reviewer (https://github.com/rladr-org/reviewer-agent)

gpt-6-luna XHIGH as the reviewer agent still found plenty of bugs that Fable 5.2 missed!

Here was Fable's summary of the session:

> The reviewer ran 16 reviews over 9 commits this session (7 rejections, 9 required fixes, all valid); three of them, on the plan, changed how the numbers are computed.

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by Aldipower on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @04:30AM (#50437947)
Serious question: What is it good for?
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by sylware on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @05:01AM (#50438147)
Is there a command line to access anonymous free prompt of various online AI inference services?

Something like yt-dlp (namely with near 0 deps), but for AI prompts?

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by thiago_fm on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @05:24AM (#50438303)
It feels Opus 5.5 has already saturated pretty much software engineering. I use it daily and it's hard to say what it can't do for software engineering. It's perfect.

Fable 5.2 might be useful for some use-cases, but will likely get very little usage.

Anthropic needs to figure out a way to create a new industry (like pushing forward bio/robotics) to get usage for those models.

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by edg5000 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @05:34AM (#50438391)
Early computers could crunch numbers well, only later ones started to get good at e.g. graphics. Coding is early in the LLM tech tree. Harder is CAD and PCBs. Today's model can do it, but there is room for improvement. That's just an example from personal use, surely there are more cases out there. I agree completely about these new use cases needed for Anthropic to grow.
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by raylad on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @05:35AM (#50438393)
Tested Fable 5.2 for some work tasks, using my automated commit reviewer plugin (https://github.com/rladr-org/reviewer-agent)

gpt-6-luna XHIGH as the reviewer agent still found plenty of bugs that Fable 5.2 missed!

Here was Fable's summary of the session:

  The reviewer ran 16 reviews over 9 commits this session (7 rejections, 9 required fixes, all valid); three of them, on the plan, changed how the numbers are computed.
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by torginus on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @05:54AM (#50438530)
I just saw a video about a webdev showing a motorcycle site, complete with an animated SVG bike.

He remarked it would've taken him a week to do this.

This made me realize how much computers and user interfaces suck. As a quite enthusiastic, but not very artistic kid, I most certainly did draw bikes like that and even more complex stuff, using nothing but pen and paper.

If your trillion dollar industry makes products that are beaten by pen and paper, I guess there's time for self-reflection.

And the funny thing is, it used to be better than this, using Flash and a drawing tablet was way easier than anything in the HTML era (and more importantly, user friendly), but still way worse than just grabbing a pencil in many ways.

User interfaces just suck, chatbots are somewhat better than most, but I feel the industry hasn't really been progressing in any meaningful sense.

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by Madmallard on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @05:54AM (#50438531)
Someone jailbreak it to get it to devise a way smarter than what we currently come up with to distill it through its own defenses and then do that.
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by nemo44x on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @07:11AM (#50439200)
These guys really needed to IPO 3 months ago. Timing is everything. I don’t doubt they’ll be a successful company long term but they’ve sabotaged their initial raise here.