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Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by eastbound on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:16AM (#50422136)
- In Europe the petrol taxes pay for road maintenance. Only electric vehicles operate at a loss.

- Train capacity is much, much higher. You couldn't have the density of France, the Netherlands or even NYC without most people travelling by train. LA struggles with 1/10th of the density.

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by dijit on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:20AM (#50422175)
Europe is a large disparate continent, but I don’t know any country (neither Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Estonia, Finland or the UK) that covers road maintenance costs with fuel levies.

In fact in the UK you would be forced to aggregate all fuel and road tax and offset it against road maintenance because there is no direct correlation to be made, as tax is “one big bucket”.

The majority of the planet are going from one point of interest to another at a relative constant rate- but yes people are spread further and further- ironically this is helped by requiring huge parking space everywhere anyone needs to go, and needing huge houses so you can park multiple cars outside. Its a self-reinforcing problem.

(This is most evident when comparing cities like Malmö in Sweden with Orlando, FL. Malmö has a higher total population but approximately 1/20th the road surface).

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by burnoutdv on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:59AM (#50423456)
In germoney, IF i remember correctly, it is supposed to be like that. Seeing the state of the overall..well..corruption of autobahn bridges, roads and the "private" company governing it seems like its either not enough or the bucket has holes OR the money goes elsewhere. Pensions maybe, maybe gas power stations, who knows?
Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by MentalM on Monday November 09, 2026 @05:33AM (#50423733)
> Its a self-reinforcing problem.

Problem? It is THE BEST solution we have. Any suggested alternatives are worse and less convenient.

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by dijit on Monday November 09, 2026 @05:40AM (#50423778)
I can cycle anywhere in my city in 15 minutes- and anyone else can too.

Yes, it gets cold in the winter in Sweden- and I sometimes have to wear rainware. But the lack of noise, huge highways and being able to walk if necessary is such a crazy feeling of freedom that you can't possibly imagine.

I literally mean, you cannot imagine.

Being able to drink a beer, and then walk with a friend in the evening with my bike in hand, being able to park anywhere at any time, and being able to replace/fix my bike with no money (or, even buy a new bike without crazy paperwork or registration or licensing for my ability to drive it).

Not having anxiety about paying for parking, fuel or ensuring that I have a place to park, not to mention the lack of abusive road-rage folks.

I've lived in other places, and I've visited supposed "car-utopias" where everything is built to "great" standards and honestly the quality of life is just many orders of magnitude inferior. I've never been to the US and stayed in a nice quiet house without it being 30 minutes drive (in stop/start traffic and with aggressive drivers who cut you off) from anything of any value.

So, no, it's not the best option. It's the best option you can think of.

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by TaLiTr on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:38PM (#50431714)
> I've never been to the US and stayed in a nice quiet house without it being 30 minutes drive from anything of any value.

I'm in Canada, not the US, so maybe it's slightly different. But where I live seems quiet. Comparable to the country at worst, where I lived on a through-road to a beach. It's a suburb but I could walk to a grocery store in like 10 minutes, if that counts as something of value.

> in stop/start traffic and with aggressive drivers who cut you off

The stop and go can be bad during rush-hour near major highways, true. But aggressive drivers sounds like a one off bad experience, or lack of experience driving. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but they're an exception not the norm.

> So, no, it's not the best option. It's the best option you can think of.

I'd argue a general solution is better than one that only works for some people.

I wouldn't consider a 25 minute commute while being exposed to freezing rain or heatstroke weather to be the best in any way.

Before I could afford to live in the city, I had A 40 minute commute when the roads weren't closed from snow. That's basically impossible on a bike.

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by dijit on Monday November 09, 2026 @06:29PM (#50433873)
To be completely fair, I've travelled the length and breadth of the US over the course of 15 years and a dozen trips. Bryan, Ohio- NYC- Philly- Montclaire, NJ- SF, LA, Seattle, Orlando, Miami and Daytona...

I've had, what I consider, enough experience to feel like I know what I'm talking about here.

However, I haven't been anywhere in Canada except Vancouver and Montreal (and: downtowns there exclusively) so you could be right that there's something I'm missing, though you said 25 and I said 15, and I'm going to summon that one thing I said before: it was a 40 minute commute because everything has to be made so far from everything else.

My personal opinion is;

A) People drive to nice train stations which great parking or make use of a wide bus network (which runs infrequently to very low density neighbourhoods)

B) People cycle where they can.

C) the roads are used for deliveries, disabled people and when people need to transport their own heavy goods on the occasion it's required,

D) Minor enforcement based on ANPR (need an expensive permit if it's parked for an aggregate of 10h over a month downtown and a minor limit on how many trips can be made) To keep the roads free for those who really need it.

I know public transport gets a bad rap, but that's because the public transport system available in NA is somehow pretty scary and filled with the worst of humanity. Rubbing shoulders with people doesn't have to feel awful, it does when there is overcrowding and a separate social safety issue.

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by ndsipa_pomu on Monday November 09, 2026 @05:53AM (#50423874)
> in the UK you would be forced to aggregate all fuel and road tax

Just to be clear, there's no specific "road tax" in the UK - it was abolished in 1937. Instead general taxation (e.g. income tax) pays for roads.

Your point about places becoming further apart has been made by Cory Doctorow who refers to it as "geometry hates cars".

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by marmarama on Monday November 09, 2026 @06:20AM (#50424078)
> Just to be clear, there's no specific "road tax" in the UK - it was abolished in 1937.

While this is _technically_ correct, most powered vehicles on UK roads have to pay Vehicle Excise Duty, which is popularly known as "road tax".

Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by wooger on Monday November 09, 2026 @06:51AM (#50424331)
And is a totally different thing, and doesn't fund the roads.
Re:I'm Not Convinced the AI Bubble Exists by ndsipa_pomu on Monday November 09, 2026 @07:00AM (#50424419)
The "road tax" misconception is why I feel the need to point it out as it is inaccurate and is used to weaponise hate against cyclists (e.g. "Don't bloody pay road tax"). In reality, most cyclists also drive (not me, though), but everyone who pays income tax is funding the roads which I agree with as they are shared infrastructure. However, it does mean that drivers are being subsidised by non-drivers.

Of course, with the 4th power weight relationship with road damage, ordinary cars are not really causing much damage compared to buses and trucks, so maybe it's better to state that we're subsidising logistics companies.