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Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by trombuance on Sunday November 08, 2026 @10:39PM (#50420769)
Any lock can be picked. The article is an interesting read and the author found some obvious mistakes the company should not have made, but if it's a hack that takes weeks and multiple people to pull off, I wouldn't be too worried as an owner. Back in the non-nerd world of common criminals, some guy with a Stone Age brain simply smashes your window to grab whatever he can. Also take a look at how easily a professional could gain access to your home if they wanted to.
Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by lotsofpulp on Sunday November 08, 2026 @10:59PM (#50420914)
Has a Tesla ever been stolen?
Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by rogerrogerr on Sunday November 08, 2026 @11:59PM (#50421244)
I mean, it's probably possible, but it's well above the "just have to outrun the bear" bar: Towing it and/or just buying a car for yourself.
Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by petesergeant on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:17AM (#50421738)
> Has a Tesla or Rivian ever been stolen without the owner leaving their phone or keycard in the car?

"tesla relay attack"

Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by shakna on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:36AM (#50421878)
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Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by dzhiurgis on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:19AM (#50422161)
> If PIN to drive is enabled, I assume it’s impossible to steal without towing it.

Read that part.

Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by shakna on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:46AM (#50422846)
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Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by darkwater on Monday November 09, 2026 @07:02AM (#50424435)
You don't need access to move a vehicle, you can lift it up and move it. Like when you park in a place you shouldn't.
Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by numpad0 on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:57AM (#50422469)
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Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by Forgeties79 on Sunday November 08, 2026 @11:36PM (#50421108)
Honestly the “common criminal” walks up and down blocks trying handles until they find someone who didn’t lock up. Easiest targets by far. They used to pull radios more back in the day (it seems to be less common now?) but they generally just go through looking for change/cash anywhere or any valuables.
Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by Barbing on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:47AM (#50421946)

  Brown said everyone needed a better stereo in the 1990s. Factory radios were lousy. But the aftermarket stereos that people bought to replace the factory-issued ones could easily transfer from one car to the next. For example, if thieves steal the factory stereo from a Volkswagen Jetta, they're going to need a buyer with a Volkswagen Jetta, and all a thief can offer is the stereo the owner had to begin with.
https://www.npr.org/2009/03/24/101998015/car-stereo-theft-a-...

Factory stereos got good (and complicated). Aftermarkets got cheap.

Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by fredoralive on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:48AM (#50422405)
The switch of car sound systems from a discrete unit that used a standard DIN form factor and connections to an integrated part of the dashboard from the mid '90s onward (and now into the complex "infotainment" system) kinda killed it as well. You can't just grad a single box out the dash and run. Does mean that car stereos are either un-upgradable, or require 3rd party kits to replace chunks of the facia nowadays though.
Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by trombuance on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:52AM (#50421977)
Exactly. Someone like the author isn't going to steal my car, so unless I'm targeted by a three letter agency it's not something worth worrying about.

I'd be more concerned about what the author only mentions in passing: They gained access to private customer information relatively easily. This has become such a huge problem in recent years. These sort of hacks and data mining is what the majority of cybercrime is based on these days, other crimes are downstream of it. Companies have too much of our personal information and they're not doing much to protect it.

Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by gambiting on Monday November 09, 2026 @08:55AM (#50425647)
>>so unless I'm targeted by a three letter agency it's not something worth worrying about.

I'm not so sure about that - I used to have some fancy cars in the past and I've heard many stories from people saying they've been followed to car parks, home, or had only the keys stolen from their home and nothing else - fancy high end cars are almost always stolen "on order" and not by opportunistic thieves. These are the kinds of people who will research what is needed to take your car before they come to your home.

Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by Forgeties79 on Monday November 09, 2026 @08:59AM (#50425713)
That kind of organized car theft is somewhat localized. For instance, I live in a pretty major city that actually does have an issue with crime. But car jackings and car theft in general are lower than most places in the country. It largely depends if there is a reliable way to get rid of the cars. Where I am, people usually just joyride them to another state or somewhere and ditch them after committing other crimes with it
Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by asimovDev on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:21AM (#50422184)
Your comment just tells me that a modern 7 series BMW or a Cayenne is now prime candidate for a similar hack. Couple of weeks for motivated hackers and now they can steal a luxury car and ship it to Africa / Middle East ? Six digits payout for couple weeks of work + cost of LLM subscription.

Does anyone know if something like a McLaren or Ferrari have similar systems? I can easily imagine Lamborghini having something like this since they are under the VAG umbrella.

If the author's Subaru project[0] is anything to go by, some automakers have ability to remotely stop and start the car too. I don't see why you would dismiss this

0 - https://samcurry.net/hacking-subaru

Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by defrost on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:30AM (#50422252)
High end luxury car lifts to order are sometimes literally that- a target car is tracked and when parked and left for some short period it gets lifted up into a truck with a Faraday cage and driven away.

Car alarms that go off are soon muffled, and any onlookers that turn see a group of high vis jacket workers, faux company logos, and a bunch of shrugging reactions to the alarm.

Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by asimovDev on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:27AM (#50423190)
Now I am not sure if it makes any easier. I was aware of cars getting lifted and put into a shipping container in mere hours. My train of thought was that now you can remote unlock and remote start so that a threat actor can get in at night or even daylight and drive away. If you remove the owner's profile from the car through the API, you delay the response by some time while customer support + police get the necessary info to start tracking the car which is already in an aluminium lined container on a ship headed off to another continent.
Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by defrost on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:37AM (#50423268)
For theft to order by crews of good field workers and yard mechanics there's no real need for them to worry about hacking / remote access of high end cars - they can just mechanically lift / tow and isolate and leave the nerd stuff as a problem for down the line.

One set of "threat actors" that will love being able to bypass remote disabling are the teen joy riding crowd that live to bait police into high speed chases.

In practice, though, they can often be done with a vehicle, having lapped freeways at speed once or twice and torched a wreck before the details are up and action is taken. Disabling remote access would be a boon for taking off in any actively monitored cars, of course - a good security company should flag a car acting out of band and contact the owner pretty quickly.

Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by GrantMoyer on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:01AM (#50422509)
> Also take a look at how easily a professional could gain access to your home if they wanted to.

Or an amateur with a mallet, a key blank, a file, and an o-ring.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lock_bumping

Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by tengwar2 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @05:22AM (#50438283)
It does depend on the country - for instance in the UK there is a traditional preference for a lever lock as the main door lock, with a "Yale" (cylinder lock) only for short-term use. That's become less common with modern doors with Eurolocks, but most of our housing stock is old.

As to professionals: from my limited experience when they are dealing with a cylinder lock they will start with a stiff plastic card to push the bolt free, and if that doesn't work, the next thing is a hook tool through the letter box. Attacking the cylinder itself is well down the list.

Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by pta2002 on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:11AM (#50422576)
Difference is that now you develop the hack once and you can just steal all the cars from the brand without it being obvious that you’re doing anything wrong. Picking a lock is work you have to do for every vehicle, plus it looks pretty sketchy.

Also, you got in completely legitimately as far as the car knows, so no need to worry about alarms or anything like it.

Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by gambiting on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:53AM (#50423405)
>>and you can just steal all the cars from the brand without it being obvious that you’re doing anything wrong

I don't see any indication here that's the case - opening the doors is very different than being able to start the engine and drive off.

Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by mbeavitt on Monday November 09, 2026 @05:50AM (#50423852)
well you clearly didn't read the article...

> At the end of the day, with both writeups combined, we could send remote commands such as unlocking and turning the engines on, for any of the automaker's vehicles in Australia, the United States, and Canada.

Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by evandrofisico on Monday November 09, 2026 @06:11AM (#50424012)
From the last paragraph:

At the end of the day, with both writeups combined, we could send remote commands such as unlocking and turning the engines on, for any of the automaker's vehicles in Australia, the United States, and Canada.

Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by kube-system on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:28AM (#50426962)
In modern vehicles with remote start, "starting the engine" leaves the immobilizer engaged.

If you have a car with factory remote start, try this yourself -- try remote starting the car, then getting in without the keys and driving away. You can't.

Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by GrantMoyer on Monday November 09, 2026 @07:41PM (#50434568)
Many cars use loose tolerance wafer locks[1] which are vulnerable to "raking". Picking a lock involves setting each tumbler individually by feel, and requires significant skill. Raking, on the other hand, is basically just rapidly jiggling a bumpy stick in the lock until all the tumblers bounce around enough to get caught on the edge of the cylinder and the lock opens. It's fairly low-skill, and can be quick enough that it looks almost like using a key[2]. (picking for comparison [3])

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafer_tumbler_lock

[2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oztjRNKKTwE

[3]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0c1UAeuKlw