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Re:Deus Ex by Lerc on Friday November 06, 2026 @11:16AM (#50394322)
My favourite ever games journalism quote:

"There's a tendency among the press to attribute the creation of a game to a single person," says Warren Spector, creator of Thief and Deus Ex.

Re:Deus Ex by smallmancontrov on Friday November 06, 2026 @11:17AM (#50394342)
The journalist understood the assignment!
Re:Deus Ex by deadbabe on Friday November 06, 2026 @11:44AM (#50394756)
This goes beyond just the press really.

The myth of the solo creator who heroically makes something amazing has a romantic appeal to a lot of people, especially those who dream of doing such a thing themselves someday. In truth, all great things in history have many collaborators and what we think of as the “creator” is often just a person who played the role of bringing together the collaborators, with perhaps a few other direct contributions.

But in the AI era, this solo-creator myth can now become reality, or if you are more cynical, just an even deeper delusion that exploits the non-consensual labor of millions for one’s personal benefit.

Re:Deus Ex by glouwbug on Friday November 06, 2026 @11:56AM (#50394941)
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Re:Deus Ex by jl6 on Friday November 06, 2026 @12:20PM (#50395306)
This was all a prototype for a much larger LLM.
Re:Deus Ex by LarsDu88 on Friday November 06, 2026 @01:26PM (#50396258)
I haven't had an LLM spout out such wisdom yet.

Perhaps we need a better prototype for a much larger system...

Re:Deus Ex by hyperman1 on Friday November 06, 2026 @02:02PM (#50396787)
Did you ask it for wisdom? I once asked it for 20 quotes that (RIP Terry Pratchett) sound very meaningfull without meaning very much. ChatGPT obliged with 20 pieces of deep-sounding total nonsense.
Re:Deus Ex by 93po on Friday November 06, 2026 @03:58PM (#50398438)
long after the bucket has forgotten the well, the water still remembers the shape of thirst
Re:Deus Ex by userulluipeste on Friday November 06, 2026 @08:21PM (#50400693)
The Morpheus' quoted text is also nonsense. It was hardly the judgement that kept individuals together and led to civilization building. This kind of logic may seem plausible only to an individual of nowadays' condition, to whom the covered basic needs faded out of attention. The basic needs (with the need for security at the center of them all) was sufficient reason for group cohesion, time and time again.
Re:Deus Ex by miek on Saturday November 07, 2026 @01:13AM (#50402110)
In the times about which you speak, Judgement was central to encouraging good behavior and behavior that prioritized the survival of the group over the individual, as well as discouraging the opposite through shame and punishment. Groups and civilizations fall apart without it.
Re:Deus Ex by RetroTechie on Friday November 06, 2026 @06:43PM (#50400046)
Maybe their creators have more to learn than their creations...
Re:Deus Ex by manapause on Friday November 06, 2026 @08:25PM (#50400716)
Right now we use AI as an accelerant to expand our abilities across domains similar but different enough to be interesting. Gaining Knowledge is a side effect of all of us knocking out every rainy day project we kicked around for years.

It was all fun and games until I created a personal psychotherapist and realized that I don’t have a fear of AI because I know how it works. There is an uncharted landscape of horrifying growth when we leave our safe space and take these tools somewhere else entirely.

Re:Deus Ex by ky3 on Friday November 06, 2026 @03:44PM (#50398246)
Bourbaki was a dream of correct math precisely written up, free of errors, ambiguities, and poor terminology.
Re:Deus Ex by analog8374 on Friday November 06, 2026 @05:54PM (#50399604)
Replace "judgment" with "validation" and consider social media in that light. Validation of identity. Validation of worldview. And if you signal right, a ladder you can climb.

It's so mammalian.

Re:Deus Ex by Yokolos on Saturday November 07, 2026 @06:14AM (#50403528)
Aren't judgment and validation describing the same thing in this context? That's what makes the quote so interesting, imo.
Re:Deus Ex by glouwbug on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:05PM (#50406099)
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Re:Deus Ex by analog8374 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:39PM (#50406393)
Yeah. Validation is the better term tho.
Re:Deus Ex by emmanueloga_ on Friday November 06, 2026 @11:09PM (#50401526)
I was thinking "that's really good writing", so I search lead writer for Deus Ex, points to [1]. Makes me want to read a book from her, but seems like she mostly writes for games, afaict.

1: https://www.mobygames.com/person/39957/mary-c-demarle/

Re:Deus Ex by 44mkultra69 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:40PM (#50406404)
Can't explain the curiosity but I am wondering why you would consider this "good writing"?

The "but" alone loses the whole damn case the dude is trying to make ...

Re:Deus Ex by Agentlien on Friday November 06, 2026 @12:05PM (#50395078)
As a professional game developer who has worked on multiple games affected by this, it's definitely something which bothers me a lot.

I've seen a lot of discussions among fans about why one specific publicly visible person made this or that decision when he was never part of any discussion related to it.

Re:Deus Ex by Terr_ on Friday November 06, 2026 @01:27PM (#50396270)
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Re:Deus Ex by globalnode on Friday November 06, 2026 @05:26PM (#50399331)
Stories about Newton seem oversimplified to me. Yes he was good, yes he came up with stuff, but he was also a good integrator (heh) of existing knowledge.
Re:Deus Ex by pipes on Friday November 06, 2026 @02:32PM (#50397202)
Is that more true these days with large development teams compared to the late 90s early 00s?
Re:Deus Ex by bluedino on Friday November 06, 2026 @12:32PM (#50395482)
Similarly, "Steve Jobs invented the ____"
Re:Deus Ex by ahartmetz on Friday November 06, 2026 @05:47PM (#50399537)
For most of these, invention wasn't even the right word. An invention is usually a new technology that solves a pre-existing problem. Most of Steve Jobs' "inventions" were just product development.
Re:Deus Ex by shepherdjerred on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:55AM (#50402035)
I think the iPod is also fair to attribute to him.

My understanding is that he often came up with ideas for products and 'forced' engineers to find a way to make it possible. He wasn't very technical, but in a way that was a strength.

Re:Deus Ex by ahartmetz on Saturday November 07, 2026 @04:18AM (#50402961)
IMO, the iPod wasn't that much better than other MP3 players.
Re:Deus Ex by autoexec on Sunday November 08, 2026 @04:45AM (#50411773)
The mechanical scroll wheel was nice
Re:Deus Ex by Lerc on Saturday November 07, 2026 @04:59PM (#50408439)
Job's contribution was having the vision to let the engineers make the things they felt they could make if given the support.

That's why iPhone clones turned up almost immediately. Management said to their devs, ok now Apple has done it, you can make that thing you've been wanting to make for ages. The capability was there, what was missing was the belief that something better was possible and needed.

Re:Deus Ex by bigstrat2003 on Friday November 06, 2026 @09:10PM (#50400981)
I've never understood why people give Jobs so much credit. He didn't make anything. He was a salesman. Now, as a salesman, he was phenomenal, one of the best in history. But without the engineers who actually made things, he would've been nothing.
Re:Deus Ex by satvikpendem on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:33AM (#50401933)
The engineers wouldn't have made world changing products without his guidance. There are many books about this, even by the employees themselves such as Creative Selection and Insanely Simple, which talk about how Jobs' product vision simplified much of the UI and UX and therefore product for regular users when engineers instead wanted to add more features and complexify the product. Steve was not just a salesman handed a product and asked to sell it.
Re:Deus Ex by homarp on Saturday November 07, 2026 @02:18AM (#50402389)
Steve Jobs said no. No to 'stupid' ideas and no to 'cannot be done'. That leads to some products being bad (eg mac cube) and other to be interesting to build on (iphone with no app SDK).
Re:Deus Ex by moomin on Friday November 06, 2026 @02:24PM (#50397109)
Indeed, the narrative here, which is the commonly recited version, does exactly this, and so fails to explain why Deus Ex 2 didn’t hit nearly as hard.