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Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by aurareturn on Friday November 06, 2026 @04:00AM (#50389888)
I think the app store will be in trouble in the future.

I think most non-gaming apps will be replaced by a single AI app that is like a super assistant to you. No need to book on Booking.com app if you can just have your assistant look for what you actually want.

Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by p2detar on Friday November 06, 2026 @04:02AM (#50389899)
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Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by aurareturn on Friday November 06, 2026 @04:16AM (#50390027)
This is where I believe Apple is making a mistake by not going all in on AI.

People think it's some kind of genius move or very Apple-like move to not join the AI race.

But who is actually going to build apps on the fly better, faster for you? Siri or Opus 9? Siri or GPT 10 Astra?

When many tasks are done better on a single AI app, the iPhone moat will be greatly diminished which will open up competitors to iOS and Android.

Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by pocksuppet on Friday November 06, 2026 @04:34AM (#50390189)
Are there any real examples of apps built on the fly better and faster?
Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by TeMPOraL on Friday November 06, 2026 @04:38AM (#50390222)
Technically, any case where LLM casually writes and runs a nontrivial piece of code to fulfill your random request would qualify.
Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by pocksuppet on Saturday November 07, 2026 @02:05AM (#50402324)
One of the qualifiers was "better"
Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by aurareturn on Friday November 06, 2026 @05:03AM (#50390405)
Many requests on ChatGPT used to be able handled by some app before.

I paste a screenshot and ChatGPT automatically knows to extract the text for me. Needed an expensive/inconsistent app before.

Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by ben_w on Saturday November 07, 2026 @03:08PM (#50407582)
Sure, though right now this is due to all the mainstream apps that run on my phone being bloated by ads and tracking from a thousand random analytics firms, plus all the ad-boosted results in the App Store.

There's really no reason I should have found it easier to ask Claude to make me a general purpose card game engine with a bunch of game rules baked in than to be able to actually find the first non-enshitified app, but thanks to all of that nonsense there was.

Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by tonyedgecombe on Friday November 06, 2026 @06:26AM (#50391031)
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Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by pxtail on Friday November 06, 2026 @04:22AM (#50390078)
Assistant booking a place for me is last thing I'd want, I want to see ratings, photos, overall look&feel of the place, not spin the wheel and get some random place booked
Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by aurareturn on Friday November 06, 2026 @05:01AM (#50390393)
Why wouldn't a AI be able to show you those things?
Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by bandrami on Friday November 06, 2026 @05:08AM (#50390432)
I can see those things without AI, so what's the value-add there?
Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by matkoniecz on Friday November 06, 2026 @05:17AM (#50390496)
If AI would be about as accurate as you: saved time on reviewing things.
Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by bandrami on Friday November 06, 2026 @08:01AM (#50391821)
I guess? It's the same way I don't get people using AI to "handle emails"; it's just not currently enough of a time sink for me to worry about it
Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by fastily on Friday November 06, 2026 @05:29AM (#50390601)
It could but I’d be concerned about bias, particularly if the ai vendor is accepting payments to promote certain brands/products/services
Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by aurareturn on Friday November 06, 2026 @07:08AM (#50391415)
I go on Booking.com now and I have no clue how and why certain hotels are higher up on the list.
Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by pxtail on Friday November 06, 2026 @08:02AM (#50391829)
Perhaps it could be able to some degree, but

a) I won't trust booking's own assistant or "AI" and it will be garbage if/when they introduce it (despite fact that in order to handle it correcly it would need to have amount of information about me and my family and my trip that im not comfortable to provide them)

b) They will block 3rd party/independent assistant via CF or other measures - they want you to be on their property browsing on their terms upselling you features, not access via API/MCP

c) chat interface and general UI chunkiness related to AI and this kind of use case - when browsing booking I'm able to narrow to offers I want quickly, where accommodations are located on the map etc, lol, just thinking about doing all of that via chat UI and even more via voice interface makes me tired

Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by pocksuppet on Friday November 06, 2026 @04:34AM (#50390185)
I think the single AI app will be thoroughly enshittified. You ask for a hotel and the assistant operator is normally getting 20% of your payment as a kickback, so it shows you the highest price it thinks you'll pay, but 40% if it's a certain chain so it only shows that chain. Everything will be like this.
Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by raxy on Friday November 06, 2026 @04:41AM (#50390245)
Am I one of very few people that believes LLM apps don't solve or replace a large number of other basic CRUD apps available?

Maybe it's a skill issue on my part, but whenever I've tried to use LLM apps over any sort of medium-to-long-term time scale for tracking something (ie. endurance running training), within about a month it begins hallucinating, recalling the wrong things, linking the wrong bits of data to other bits of data, and it does all of this even when pointed to a basic spreadsheet or simple text file to keep it onboard with what happened where. It just seems to look at these files, and then look at previous conversations and confuse itself.

Every other month, some brand new shiny model is released and it's exactly the same deal every time. I think the underlying technology simply can't deal with these sorts of goals. A whole range of apps for lifestyle tracking don't seem under threat, in my opinion, if this is the best its capable of.

Many other things I can't imagine wanting an AI to do for me, especially anything involving payments, bookings.

Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by littlecranky67 on Friday November 06, 2026 @04:48AM (#50390292)
I am in the pro food-order delivery department. I just want to tell my phone, "Hey Siri I want to order at Restaurant X, we are two people, no desert - make suggestion" and it shows me the order on the display with total price, arrival time and the selected food items. If I want, I can command changes - or simply say "Yes thats good, confirm the order" and be done. This is especially useful as I mostly order the same things across 2-3 restaurants, that is most of the time the suggestion is probably right.
Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by raxy on Friday November 06, 2026 @06:09AM (#50390899)
If it works for you, that's great.

Is a "recent orders" or "reorder" feature not enough to meet this demand if you frequently order the same thing from the same place? I don't quite understand the need for a middleman LLM here.

When you're asking for suggestion, is that based on a random suggestion to try new dishes or a pre-selected range to stick to what you know and like?

Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by littlecranky67 on Friday November 06, 2026 @06:26AM (#50391025)
You got it backwards. The middleman is not the LLM. The UberEats app on my device is the middleman. The app introduces a UI, uses service calls to communicate with UberEats backend. But that is no longer needed.

UberEats should have a MCP service that is discoverable by agents - lets call her Siri. I tell Siri what I want, and Siri is checking via that MCP API what restaurants, what type of food, prices, ratings etc. Then Siri is free to generate whatever UI is needed to present the order. This could be generated HTML, but also be read back to me with voice, or even displayed on my Apple TV if I was just watching a series.

I am a professional frontend/UI dev working as a freelancer, and I myself think there will be no more market for creating UIs for the product - the UI is something that will be generated on the fly by the LLM agent for the end-user in what ever way and context the end-user specified. All you need is access to the data and services - MCP just entered the room.

Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by ElFitz on Friday November 06, 2026 @04:55AM (#50390354)
A good alternative is to make create a stateful artefact (Claude) / whatever OpenAI calls ChatGPT.

And there, it has a database of sorts, running god knows where on god knows what, and you have a single-user web app that you may or may not ever open and see (since your favorite AI agent can just read and update it for you anyway).

Today it’s still something the user has to suggest / request.

Tomorrow? If they put a bit of effort these models will reach for building these one-off ephemeral or long-lived hyper-custom apps the same way they now reach for a python sandbox for basic arithmetics and statistics.

Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by raxy on Friday November 06, 2026 @06:20AM (#50390980)
Your last line is actually very insightful. I was just looking at LLM from the chat app perspective.

I wonder how open these services will be to data storage if they do become a "universal app". If I used LLM to make an app for tracking training for endurance running, and I slapped an 800kb .fit file in there each day, the storage for all of these files would probably be fine, but without condensing each run down to a textual summary like Garmin/Strava currently does ("You ran 10km in 35:00, at a pace of 3:30/km. This improved your speed/{vague motivational LLM quote}"), wouldn't the context become enormous after a pretty short duration, causing huge costs? Genuinely curious.

Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by mjburgess on Friday November 06, 2026 @04:57AM (#50390364)
What you're saying is true now, but given the existence of grok-bot and similar dots (et al.) there is now an amassing amount of training data for "personal assistants" -- so in a couple of generations time, you'll find frontier models will be extremely capable in these areas.

Harnesses have been developed for this, and its also fairly trivial to do large scale verifiable-rewards post-training for "personal assistant" style things. eg., invent a booking website, invent a PA GUI-aware harness, and reward the model when a successful booking takes place. Do that 1bn times.

Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by aurareturn on Friday November 06, 2026 @05:00AM (#50390381)
I don't doubt your experience with a basic lifestyle CRUD app today.

However, about 1 year ago, AI coding agents were laughed. Now the vast majority of code is written by them.

Intelligence getting exponentially cheaper per token. At some point, there will be an inflection point where "it just works".

Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by raxy on Friday November 06, 2026 @05:59AM (#50390808)
The lifestyle monitoring thing is something I've been testing with ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude for the last year or two now, and it doesn't ever seem to get any better.

I may be completely out of the loop here, so forgive me if I'm missing details, but I always have and continue to believe that the coding prowess of LLM agents more-or-less comes down to the sheer abundance of data it has trained off of on the web, and that code itself is ideal for LLM by the way it is discrete and syntax-bound, same as the way LLM can write very well provided they've read more-or-less the same sequence of text before. For the speed advantages it provides in coding, and for the accuracy it has for well-established information, LLM is a very useful technology.

I just don't follow how they are going to do the same thing with such granular telemetry data, such as datasets from a day of nutrition or a workout. The values are continuous, minute, and are so parallel to noise in the way they are provided. Take running. If you dumped a .fit file from a Garmin or other watch with a series of heart rate values, paces, elevation levels, GPS co-ordinates, respiration rate, vertical oscillation etc, and you trained on a bunch of files like this, the values are so discrete that I can't understand how it will even tokenize it.

I've seen second-hand through friends in running with apps like Runna that it produces plans that aren't suited for them at all. There's simply too many variables. It can give general advice about things, but it doesn't have the level of detail or understanding necessary to give good guidance. Strava "AI" and Garmin "AI" just make a 2-3 line summary from the average data from the entire run or workout.

Perhaps this is something that is already being worked on, and I would be happy if it was, but I just can't personally see how LLM can work with such datasets in a detailed way, beyond the useless summaries Garmin and Strava give "You ran 10km in 35:00, with a pace of 3:30/km. This shows that your speed is improving". I would love an explanation/links on how LLM can get around this if anybody is willing to spend the time providing it. Happy to have my mind changed.

Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by adrianvi on Friday November 06, 2026 @07:57AM (#50391786)
In summary: the LLM would most likely use a traditional ML method or python script to analyze the datasets and reduce the noise.

For example, I use LLMs to create 3d models. I don't tell them to recreate the 3d vertexes every time, they have a python script that programmatically creates the shapes, and with a freecad mcp, they get views in images, also they can create other scripts to check for collisions and other issues.

They can also get a histogram, discard noisy values, check outliers, etc, etc, using scripts or by running a traditional ML value to get later the refined data.

Opus 5.5 is quite decent currently, but expensive and not enough for many challenges, but I see the progress happening.

Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by Karrot_Kream on Friday November 06, 2026 @03:58PM (#50398429)
The big lift with LLMs, causing them to really explode in real-world capability, has been tool calling. Dumping data into the LLM only really works if the data fits very, very comfortably in the context window. The way the best harnesses work is that they provide the LLM a bundle of tools to manage context and memories on its own, and let the LLM use these tools to manage its understanding of the world.

The problem with these Garmin and Strava AI summaries is that most of them just point an LLM at a heap of data and ask them to offer a summary. They also usually use older models since the feature is not something particularly well curated. I do financial modeling with LLMs and use the LLMs to build/verify/iterate on models.

If you're curious on what it takes to run long-running tasks Anthropic has https://www.anthropic.com/research/harness-design-long-runni... out.

Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by tonyedgecombe on Friday November 06, 2026 @06:22AM (#50390991)
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Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by kristianc on Friday November 06, 2026 @04:49AM (#50390294)
> No need to book on Booking.com app if you can just have your assistant look for what you actually want.

Browsing through hotels is one of the best parts of the entire experience.

Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by matkoniecz on Friday November 06, 2026 @05:18AM (#50390501)
Interesting, for me it is the most annoying and hated one.

I prefer the part where you wait in airport or on train station over it.

Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by tonyedgecombe on Friday November 06, 2026 @06:24AM (#50391015)
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Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by pjmlp on Friday November 06, 2026 @04:50AM (#50390312)
I very seldom use travel agencies, because the last thing I want is someone's else opinion on how my travel is supposed to be like.
Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by doikor on Friday November 06, 2026 @05:09AM (#50390438)
> No need to book on Booking.com app if you can just have your assistant look for what you actually want.

There never was any need for these apps. A website works perfectly fine for simple use cases like that.

Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by ulfw on Friday November 06, 2026 @05:21AM (#50390527)
Yes and no need to ever download a game anymore. Just ask your fucking AI to play it for you. Why waste time solving those stupid puzzles yourself?
Re:App Store 2026 in numbers: AI, pricing, abandoned apps by Cthulhu_ on Friday November 06, 2026 @06:02AM (#50390838)
I don't think sites like booking are at risk, as an assistant will just as likely use them. But there may be some kind of SEO tricks that companies like that could use to make LLM agents prefer them.

That said, I don't know about most of you but booking a hotel / flight is the kind of thing I do maybe once a year - it's too incidental (for me) to even consider automating.

That said, Google (search) is in trouble, although they're ready for it because their own AI products are solid and they already have the infrastructure and whatnot to run them, unlike e.g. Anthropic or OpenAI for who their AI products are their whole business. Likewise, Q&A sites like Stack Overflow, Quora are at risk.

Even Wikipedia is seeing less visitors, but I'm not too worried about that because visitor count isn't what they need to (or should) optimize for - their main risk is articles getting poisoned by LLM generated edits.