Re:Astra can read and write weights to improve Qwen
by objektif on Monday November 02, 2026 @02:14PM
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How is it even possible though I can’t think of any reason why they would have the intuition.
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Re:Astra can read and write weights to improve Qwen
by swader999 on Monday November 02, 2026 @02:41PM
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Could it be already baked into these models because they have already been trained on this task this way?
Re:Astra can read and write weights to improve Qwen
by FergusArgyll on Monday November 02, 2026 @02:36PM
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My guess: There is a ton of data online of just plain weights laying around. No human would ever actually read it. LLM's read it all during training.
Re:Astra can read and write weights to improve Qwen
by objektif on Monday November 02, 2026 @03:16PM
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But that would cover finite set of cases. I believe this result is more general.
Re:Astra can read and write weights to improve Qwen
by rsalus on Monday November 02, 2026 @04:13PM
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I mean it would make sense if the training using that data resulted in a general set of equations/patterns, it's still really surprising though...
Re:Astra can read and write weights to improve Qwen
by gavinray on Monday November 02, 2026 @02:31PM
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Based on our current understanding of LLM's, it shouldn't be.
This sort of throws a wrench in the whole "stochastic parrot" idea...
I am not surprised, though I expect many to be.
Re:Astra can read and write weights to improve Qwen
by user43928 on Monday November 02, 2026 @02:56PM
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Yes, this is hardly a shocker to anyone who used the latest models to convert/optimize AI models.
The other day I was thinking about the definition of AGI.
I was asking myself the question that when there is no form of data that I can think of throwing into Claude Code and have it not come up with some sort of intelligent answer about it, is that already general intelligence?
Re:Astra can read and write weights to improve Qwen
by marktl on Monday November 02, 2026 @04:00PM
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IMO yes
Re:Astra can read and write weights to improve Qwen
by rsalus on Monday November 02, 2026 @04:15PM
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general knowledge perhaps, but certainly not intelligence in any traditional sense
Re:Astra can read and write weights to improve Qwen
by cman1444 on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @12:57AM
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Why not? What is the differentiator?
Re:Astra can read and write weights to improve Qwen
by dist-epoch on Monday November 02, 2026 @04:19PM
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And yet you ask it 3 times to not do a thing, and it does it in a 4th way. A human doesn't fail in this way. And I'm not talking about memory here, single context.
So yeah, it can do everything, but fails in trivial ways around the doing part.
Re:Astra can read and write weights to improve Qwen
by whattheheckheck on Monday November 02, 2026 @04:54PM
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Others have though much deeper about this its all documented in academic papers and books
Re:Astra can read and write weights to improve Qwen
by root_axis on Monday November 02, 2026 @07:44PM
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So if that's AGI then what should we call the the thing that can learn from its environment unsupervised like a human or a dog.
Re:Astra can read and write weights to improve Qwen
by porridgeraisin on Monday November 02, 2026 @02:35PM
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See my other comment in this thread
Re:Astra can read and write weights to improve Qwen
by dist-epoch on Monday November 02, 2026 @04:17PM
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Something like mirror neurons.
Some structures in Astra get activated by the statistics of the Qwen weights, and these structures are associated with "breakout"
Re:Astra can read and write weights to improve Qwen
by aesthesia on Monday November 02, 2026 @04:52PM
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Half of these results are just Astra being able to reason through mathematical operations like matrix multiplication and the other half are fairly straightforward applications of mechanistic interpretability.