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Re:China's First Frontier AI Export Controls: Mofcom Announc... by byzantinegene on Monday November 02, 2026 @03:15AM (#50334288)
https://www.mofcom.gov.cn/xwfb/xwfyrth/art/2026/art_d7661dbf...

"Second, we encourage open source, open collaboration, and resource sharing. The Chinese government is committed to making artificial intelligence a significant driving force for promoting common prosperity and safeguarding common security. To support the construction of an open source innovation ecosystem for artificial intelligence, convenient measures such as automatic licensing will be applied to technology exports involving open source AI technologies, Chinese companies building and operating their own computing centers overseas, conducting chip fabrication overseas, utilizing overseas resources for joint research and development, and participating in the formulation of international standards, basically achieving "immediate reporting and export." Technologies that have already entered the public domain through open source or published academic papers will not be included in the export management scope, creating a favorable environment for international exchange and cooperation in artificial intelligence technology."

their official stance suggests they remain in support of open-weights

Re:China's First Frontier AI Export Controls: Mofcom Announc... by usrnm on Monday November 02, 2026 @03:38AM (#50334402)
What governments do is, generally, much more important than what they say. And what they're doing here is moving in the direction of restriction
Re:China's First Frontier AI Export Controls: Mofcom Announc... by Iolaum on Monday November 02, 2026 @04:16AM (#50334625)
Care to substantiate that? Not that I disagree, just curious.

My (not thorougly informed) take is that they are are taking measures to have the capability of restriction but are also adding provisions so that this capability does not add friction to the current practice of enabling export of open weight models.

So to me it's like they are keeping their options open rather than leaning on one versus the other.

Re:China's First Frontier AI Export Controls: Mofcom Announc... by jacquesm on Monday November 02, 2026 @04:05AM (#50334556)
No, what they've been doing so far is changing nothing.

What they are saying is that they won't be changing anything.

That could of course change overnight.

There are multiple aspects to this: China is cottoning on to the meaning of soft power, and besides that being a major supplier of AI related models, services and hardware further cements their place in the world economy.

Of course there are risks as well. Models produced and released into the wild for which you have not seen the training and conditioning data could have payloads that you'd rather not have.

Re:China's First Frontier AI Export Controls: Mofcom Announc... by yorwba on Monday November 02, 2026 @05:31AM (#50335102)
The proposed export controls do add some categories where export is completely prohibited. For example, sandbox detection. While the provisions specifically for AI models are generous enough, it's still possible that they trigger some other prohibition by being too capable. The statement about encouraging open source only applies to cases where export is merely restricted, not prohibited, and even then companies need to report their intention to export in advance, in principle giving the government the opportunity to deny them an export license.

So they're changing some things.

Re:China's First Frontier AI Export Controls: Mofcom Announc... by expedition32 on Monday November 02, 2026 @04:28PM (#50344039)
Also a lot of countries that can't trust the US -cough Maduro cough- will choose Chinese AI solutions.
Re:China's First Frontier AI Export Controls: Mofcom Announc... by 28304283409234 on Monday November 02, 2026 @04:06AM (#50334569)
“Mind people's actions over words.“ -Zed

“Right now, your government is doing things you think only other governments do.” -Van Halen, Right Now

Re:China's First Frontier AI Export Controls: Mofcom Announc... by virtualritz on Monday November 02, 2026 @04:51AM (#50334846)
I think you're contradicting yourself here.

What they will do remains to be seen. The document at hand is what they're saying.

I.e. less important if we follow your own assessment.

Re:China's First Frontier AI Export Controls: Mofcom Announc... by numpad0 on Monday November 02, 2026 @08:19AM (#50336467)
Jetson Nano(with Nintendo Switch SoC) used to require a signed form with restrictions like that for US export control compliance even in a democratic country. It's the same device as the one that was always there, except you were only familiar with its operating end being around yourself.
Re:China's First Frontier AI Export Controls: Mofcom Announc... by lumost on Monday November 02, 2026 @10:35AM (#50338268)
I would find it surprising if the chinese government wanted to allow Anthropic/OpenAI/Google levels of influence on the public opinion and regulatory environment without guardrails. OSS models make AI a replaceable commodity and reduce the potential for market/opinion capture by the frontier labs.
Re:China's First Frontier AI Export Controls: Mofcom Announc... by RobotToaster on Monday November 02, 2026 @05:25AM (#50335064)
Interesting way to encourage open weights models. It sounds like anyone wanting to export closed AI will have to apply for a licence.
Re:China's First Frontier AI Export Controls: Mofcom Announc... by yorwba on Monday November 02, 2026 @05:46AM (#50335200)
Companies making closed-weight models typically don't export them at all, but sell access to them as a service. (Which doesn't count as an export of the model.) So it's primarily companies releasing open weights (if they pass the thresholds for the restricted category), or that host their models in datacenters outside China that will need to apply for an export license.
Re:China's First Frontier AI Export Controls: Mofcom Announc... by siva7 on Monday November 02, 2026 @06:20AM (#50335430)
> Which doesn't count as an export of the model.

Says who?

Re:China's First Frontier AI Export Controls: Mofcom Announc... by yorwba on Monday November 02, 2026 @06:29AM (#50335494)
Said the Ministry of Commerce at the press conference for the draft export controls: https://www.mofcom.gov.cn/xwfb/xwfyrth/art/2026/art_d7661dbf... 对于企业利用限制类大模型对外提供API调用、APP/网页交互、SaaS应用、本地端侧轻量化部署等情形,不属于大模型技术出口管理范围。
Re:China's First Frontier AI Export Controls: Mofcom Announc... by vikrantrathore on Monday November 02, 2026 @09:54AM (#50337640)
On this topic wrote a small book https://insanai.github.io/aiexportcontrols/

You can also download offline PDF at: https://insanai.github.io/aiexportcontrols/books/en/open-sou...

It also shows using game theory that export control leads to overall failure of both the sides.

Re:China's First Frontier AI Export Controls: Mofcom Announc... by fc417fc802 on Monday November 02, 2026 @11:56AM (#50339761)
Meanwhile the US certainly appears to consider API access to constitute a form of export so misunderstandings are understandable. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that China isn't currently restricting that form of export.
Re:China's First Frontier AI Export Controls: Mofcom Announc... by Roark66 on Monday November 02, 2026 @09:06AM (#50336970)
Yes, they support it, inasmuch it gives them an advantage.

Of course I never expected anything different from the Chinese Communist Party.

Re:China's First Frontier AI Export Controls: Mofcom Announc... by Forgeties79 on Monday November 02, 2026 @09:47AM (#50337560)
You trust other countries to behave like this out of the goodness of their hearts or something?

If China’s selfish behavior = more open LLM tools and greater ability to run them at home, I’ll gladly take it over the US frontier labs’ druthers, which is a restricted/closed shop we rent from.

Re:China's First Frontier AI Export Controls: Mofcom Announc... by litbear2022 on Monday November 02, 2026 @08:05PM (#50346638)
This isn’t some BDSM gathering; there’s no need to keep bringing up "safe words."
Re:China's First Frontier AI Export Controls: Mofcom Announc... by themgt on Monday November 02, 2026 @11:38AM (#50339472)
We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow
Re:China's First Frontier AI Export Controls: Mofcom Announc... by halJordan on Monday November 02, 2026 @04:30PM (#50344071)
Famously, the constitution of the ussr explicitly guaranteed many more freedoms than the us constitution does. So, not much to go on
Re:China's First Frontier AI Export Controls: Mofcom Announc... by msm_ on Monday November 02, 2026 @05:56PM (#50345239)
But China is, famously, much more open when it comes to AI. For this comparison to make sense, China should be the hypocritical one, declaring openness when not really being open.
Re:China's First Frontier AI Export Controls: Mofcom Announc... by litbear2022 on Monday November 02, 2026 @08:04PM (#50346625)
There’s no need to be so sarcastic about OpenAI.