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Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by hmokiguess on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @08:42AM (#50351877)
Unrelated but while scrolling, when I scrolled up, the asterisk thingy appeared on the top right corner and I thought it was a spider or some glitch and had a mini freakout before realizing it was the actual branding
Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by teddyh on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @08:58AM (#50352047)
Like those paper cutouts of lizards that people put on walls in order to fascinate cats.
Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by hmokiguess on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:04AM (#50352126)
Thank you for this idea, my cats are in for a treat today.
Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by bondarchuk on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @08:43AM (#50351885)
Sort of a recap for normies of Scott Alexander's Whither Tartaria from 2021: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/whither-tartaria
Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by ctolsen on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @08:56AM (#50352031)
Sagrada Família is an amazing building. Going inside it is an awesome experience.

But it is a _lot_. Putting aside the artistic skill and construction cost of it, I'm glad I don't live in a city where everything is like that. I feel like it'd be overstimulating much like an analog version of the Las Vegas strip.

Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by Filligree on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:01AM (#50352099)
It’s no different from living in a beautiful natural landscape. I can tell you from experience that no, you get used to it.

It would not be a lot. It would fade into the background, except that any time you want to see beauty you just have to look up and focus.

Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by luqtas on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:08AM (#50352184)
nature has proven calming effects on humans... bird sings, even plants on the roof of an urban area can have positive effects just because of the vision

i highly doubt a christian church has the same effect. everytime i see a church i think about atrocities commited by the religion and alienation

Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by skinfaxi on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:11AM (#50352212)
> i highly doubt a christian church has the same effect. everytime i see a church i think about atrocities commited by the religion and alienation

Maybe not the exact same effect as nature but it is indeed calming to me at least. Stepping into a cathedral, or masjid, or temple and the noise of the world falls away (and I'm not even religious). I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by luqtas on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:20AM (#50352325)
i'm also not religious and having lived in a remote place for more than a year, i lost count of the amount of times i sat at the grass in a completely meditative state by starring at clouds, mountains and sunsets
Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by tocs3 on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:15AM (#50352278)
everytime i see a church i think about atrocities commited

Not to downplay atrocities committed in the name of Christianity but I am pretty sure every large ideology has its share of of atrocities.

Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by luqtas on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:26AM (#50352391)
yes but when you have it talking basically exclusively about "love", it's much harder to swallow
Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by tocs3 on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:54AM (#50352766)
Most ideologies have their keywords. Love, piece, freedom, fairness, ... and the atrocities keep coming.
Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by rad_val on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:04AM (#50352130)
The level of detail can vary while keeping the idea intact. You wouldn't be more overwhelmed than when you walk down on any european old city centers.
Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by skinfaxi on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:09AM (#50352195)
Compare Sagrada Familia to Times Square.
Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by loloquwowndueo on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:14AM (#50352260)
Did you visit other Gaudí buildings? La pedrera is open for visiting and a very nice apartment building. I wouldn’t mind a city where most buildings are like that.

Sagrada Família is very purposefully a total exaggeration but so are most large churches when viewed as part of their surrounding context. They’re designed to stand out.

Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by weatherlight on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:37AM (#50352519)
I live in Barcelona, it's a very pleasant city (if you can aford to live here), The city has almost 2000 years of history and architecture. It's inhabitants left its mark. Eixample (the Extension) was planned kinda all at once by Cerda and thats why theres an over representation of specific styles of architecture, and why Eixample feels a bit like an open air museum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfN517mqhC8 (Absolutely worth watching if you want to know why Barcelona was planned the way it was.)

If you go to the "Gothic quarter" or to Gracia you won't see much "Art nouveau."

Its a very varied city. I live in a building in the "Modernisme" style and its lovely.

Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by rolisz on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:03AM (#50352118)
I'm lucky to live in an Art Nouveau City :) (Oradea, Romania)
Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by hommelix on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:13AM (#50352253)
Which area/building would you recommend to see Art Nouveau in Oradea?
Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by rolisz on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:16AM (#50352279)
Casa Darvas is a nice museum, with a good coffee shop in the garden.

The Central Square (Piata Unirii) has been renovated nicely and looks very good. The old main street is still in renovation, so it's not so nice now.

Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by fishTastesGood on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:40AM (#50352570)
Hi, I visited Oradea in 2024, the Piata Unirii was very pretty and I also loved the Fortress and the museum inside. I'm happy to hear more areas are getting renovated, many areas looked a bit run down, but I visited in October so it was cloudy and rainy. I need to visit again with better weather. I also had dinner at a restaurant with Mama in the name I think, it was delicious.
Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by fsloth on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:09AM (#50352201)
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Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by Gravityloss on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:10AM (#50352206)
I went to Sagrada Familia and then to Mies van Der Rohe Pavilion.

The latter had a bikini fashion shoot ongoing.

Maybe something to do with it. The world and society completely transformed. Mass media, fashion, loss of religiosity, sexual liberation, globalization, social mobility...

Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by vslira on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:13AM (#50352246)
I think the part of this post that is a push back at the “trad critique” doesn’t really work: at a point the author basically says that modernism has its hold due to being a (and I’m paraphrasing uncharitably here) cheap and easy shot at architectural respectability, which is not only not a defense of it, but pretty much the point of the “trad critique”
Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by rad_val on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:14AM (#50352259)
I think the answer to this question is deeply uncomfortable in 2026.

Softly put, it's discipline, focus and a sense of greater purpose, far above the monetary value of things, fame and fortune.

In other words, exactly what our current, consumer-oriented society lacks.

Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by cogman10 on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:25AM (#50352390)
It's not those things, it's money.

You can buy discipline, focus, and a sense of greater purpose. But it ain't cheap and few with the means to do it have the will to want it.

Consider my office. The original drafted designs for it had an airy look, full ceiling, windows connecting the rooms for added light, doors.

Every single one of those things got nixed because it meant $$$ and the people running my company didn't want to foot the bill. So instead what we ended up with is cheap carpet, no ceiling (I can see all the joists and the ductwork), and paper thin cardboard walls which you can hear discussions from across the building. But the conference room where the C Levels commonly meet is fantastically decorated.

Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by brookst on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:34AM (#50352486)
I’m curious about “you can buy discipline”. For oneself?
Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by nemomarx on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:42AM (#50352608)
You can pay an architect to be very disciplined if you find a good one. Or you can pay a personal trainer to do discipline for you, a dietician, a personal assistant to be disciplined about your time...
Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by toyg on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:14AM (#50352264)
One thing nobody ever mentions, probably because it's not fashionable, is that all these buildings require maintenance after getting built. Maintaining a modernist block, with its flat surfaces and straight lines, is utterly trivial compared to more decorative styles - where you have to constantly fight pigeons and the elements to not appear derelict. Also, it is typically complicated to fix decorative pieces when they break, as they often do.

I do understand and share the view that the current mainstream is utterly boring, but I also acknowledge the (somewhat) irresistible forces that shape it: money, time, effort. And I don't believe AI can do anything to counter them in a significant manner, sadly.

Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by tocs3 on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:50AM (#50352712)
I have worked to repair houses both old and new. You are right about fancy fixtures and whatnot in older houses, but modern construction is problematic also. It seems that houses are never built to be maintained.
Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by BobBagwill on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:19AM (#50352319)
I think contemporary architecture is perfect:

Cheap, soulless, forgettable, replaceable metal and glass rectangular prisms filled with cheap, soulless, forgettable, replaceable workers. Form follows function!

That old architecture implied things like spirit, transcendence, community, beauty. Outmoded concepts for sure!

https://architizer.com/projects/tiktok/

Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by FranzFerdiNaN on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:38AM (#50352536)
I love that the site has a banner that says 'the future of architecture is human' and every photo on that page is of corporate soul destroying misery.
Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by kimi on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:58AM (#50352815)
I read the end of the first phrase as "Farm follows function!". Would not have been a bad typo.
Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by recursivedoubts on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:25AM (#50352378)
Read from bauhaus to our house, by tom wolfe. In america we had the Arts & Crafts movement (e.g. greene & greene) as a native folk form.

It was all killed because two dynamics came together to push "the yale box": corporate america's love of cheap buildings (although the buildings are cheap to build but often nightmares to maintain and use... somebody else's problem) and the ideological purity spiraling post WW2 driven by the academic environment and the rise of abstract architectural criticism over the practical building arts.

post modernism acknowledged the failure of the yale box but, because going back to traditional building forms was unthinkable (of course), had to do ironic kitsch instead

Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by DubiousPusher on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:47AM (#50352663)
Uh, I guarantee you a 1970 ranch is a far easier building to maintain than a craftsman bungalow.
Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by kimi on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:59AM (#50352833)
> the rise of abstract architectural criticism over the practical building arts.

i.e. "any mason can build a brick house, but an architect will create an ugly box that no mason would ever have built".

Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by virtualritz on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:37AM (#50352521)
I have architect friends. They can't draw, they can't sculpt, they have no clue about art history. Or color theory, if you want to go that far. Usually golden ratio/Fibonacci is kinda where it ends. One of them is a professor of architecture, no less.

That said, I'm sure there are architects today for which some or all of this is not true.

Most of the above are subjects an architect student would have had to learn about and demonstrate profienciency in, to earn their degree, a 100 years ago.

I'm sure the change in architecture's priorities played a role in this too. Industrial materials, construction efficiency. The need to mass produce housing, costs and new social ideals, yadayadayada.

And ofc the modernist rejection of any ornament; even that which is there historically, on existing architecture.

My hope is that in a future where we 3D-print buildings or construct them with robots we will see a renaissance of non-functional[1] beauty/sculpture/texture/color in architecture because the cost difference will be marginal/nonexistend.

But then, architecture is also always a mirror of the period. And from that pov it's not looking so great for beauty making it back any time soon.

[1] Yet functional because how can the happiness/joy of the perceiver of architecture be removed from what should count as functional, in architecture?

Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by nemomarx on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:41AM (#50352580)
I think it's like millennial grey. Not only is it more expensive to add ornamentation, it also hurts resale and repurposing of buildings. Ideally you want mostly identical boxes where you could change the sign to make it a church, a McDonalds, a clothing store, etc every few years.

Or that seems like the goal of commercial builders now, right?

Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by DubiousPusher on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:53AM (#50352755)
re commerical buildings today, absolutely. Most developments, especially retail ones have the goal of being wrapped up in a commerical real estate portfolio. That might be a REIT or held by a private investor. Their goal is to collect buildings with the widest marketability for retail. They are not generally curating locations with intent. Though some owners specialize in that in high density tourist or luxury retail spaces.

To be fair, this isn't entirely new. The American West was strewn with cheap wooden structures that all looked alike with big fake fonts with hand painted signs. Those mostly rotted so they're uncommon in our lexicon outside of movies.

Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by amelius on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:47AM (#50352669)
> because the cost difference will be marginal/nonexistent.

It will not happen because the rich will always keep standards of living of the average and poor people just at the low level that they will not rebel.

Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by azan_ on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:51AM (#50352726)
> It will not happen because the rich will always keep standards of living of the average and poor people just at the low level that they will not rebel.

Could you explain your exact line of thinking?

Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by DetroitThrow on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:49AM (#50352688)
>They can't draw, they can't sculpt, they have no clue about art history. Or color theory, if you want to go that far. Usually golden ratio/Fibonacci is kinda where it ends. One of them is a professor of architecture, no less.

I only have a couple of architect friends, but wow, they actually have exactly these skills and interests. Amazing artists and designers in their own right. They seem to know a lot about how philosophy interacts with architecture too! Interesting to know they might be the exception.

Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by f13f1f1f1 on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:51AM (#50352716)
This applies to most fields. Far more people get advanced education now but just necessarily as you cater to a larger group of people you have to diminish the end goal and operate more by procedures and standardization. That reverberates and diminishes the skills of the more competent people who would have been able to learn all of the above a century ago, because now all the institutions cater to a larger body. I disagree about it being a mirror of the period as some absolute rule though. Insurance policies, building code/zoning, educational structures and the rest are all choices people make. The cost thing is always absurd to me as in medieval guild systems during the great plague people found resources to build great cathedrals. Acting like cathedrals were cheaper then compared to now is just absurd. We have the resources we just choose to use it to create trash and then burn it, and to punish anyone who tries to make anything that isn't trash.
Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by poloniculmov on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:57AM (#50352805)
I don't understand the bit where they can draw? How did they pass the entrance exams or their classes? The architects I know basically had to draw all day, everyday.
Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by Incipient on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:45AM (#50352637)
I just wanted to say thank you for posting this. It was a wonderful break from the norm, and I've enjoyed reading everyone's comments. I haven't enjoyed anything here or in general in a while.

Thank you!

Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by DubiousPusher on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:46AM (#50352645)
Dude, it's labor. It is no coincidence that essentially every intricate form of architecture gave way to simplified forms at the exact same time that wages for trade workers were rapidly rising.

Hand placed parquet that took a master craftsman several weeks to lay disappeared. Intricate carvings upon otherwise utilitarian and common structures likewise.

Art Deco itself is a compromise with this creeping reality. Not fully modern minimalist but economically efficient in using flattened elements, prefabs and smoker accents for detailing.

When a trad person posts their diatribe online it is a simple tell. They know next to nothing about how the built world is actually created. And they don't understand how wages came to form the basis of respect for working people. The act of decrying the utilitarian transition is itself a form of disrespect via ignorance. Because what you are essentially saying is that your aesthetic preferences are more important than the time of expert laborers, whether you know it or not.

Re:Why Don't We Live in an Art Nouveau World? by amarcheschi on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @09:56AM (#50352796)
Counterpoint, a relative of mine works in a sector where he sees a lot of luxury villas (we're from Tuscany, so it's full of wealthy oligarchs on the coast). I've seen some of the photos and I'd say none of them look good to me, they're just modernist regular shaped blocks of something that makes a house, and inside the kitchiest decorations possible just to flaunt money. And yet, they could afford to pay for any style they wanted