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Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by jeremyjh on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @07:44AM (#50164824)
There has always been a lot of evidence that prices are only going down. The fact that you could already get DeepSeek or GLM inference from 20+ providers on openrouter.ai was already sufficient evidence that inference was profitable and being commoditized.

People that want to believe something different as a coping mechanism will not be swayed by this evidence either.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by jacquesm on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @07:48AM (#50164869)
AI will end up being a commodity. That's also why you already see the first rounds of protectionism under the guise of national security. Obviously they do have a point but that point works against them just as easily. Anybody that integrates unreviewed model output into their workflow is asking for trouble.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by anthonypasq on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @10:29AM (#50167017)
non frontier intelligence will be a commodity. Frontier intelligence will be a high margin luxury good. this is how most markets work
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by xbmcuser on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @11:12AM (#50167628)
Yesterday’s frontier is today’s commodity, so I don't think frontier AI is out of reach. With computing and solar energy costs continuing to drop, the current AI supply shortages are just a temporary blip. We’ll probably land right back in standard boom-and-bust cycles.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by Tuna-Fish on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @12:58PM (#50169317)
Either frontier AI will continue to get better steadily, until it's better than people at basically everything, and very weird things start to happen, or, it plateaus and the open weights models will eventually catch up.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by pegasus on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @04:14PM (#50172032)
There's a third possibility, which to me is also the most plausible. Models will keep getting better and better within certain domains, while never catching up with humans when it comes to other type of tasks. Like that elusive quality-without-a-name some have called "taste". Or knowing what UX is most intuitive to humans. Really, anything where we have to tap into our common humanity and our human experience in order to be of help to other humans and generally to life on earth. Which is an all-important skill, since the flowering of life on the earth is (or should be) the whole point of anything we do, after all.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by jacquesm on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @05:45PM (#50173120)
We've spent a couple of millennia documenting that elusive thing called 'taste' in word, sound, image, lately in moving images. I'm pretty sure that even if you didn't have taste you could make a good simulation based on all that input.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by dugidugout on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @07:05PM (#50173903)
I don't know, that sounds like a question of taste. :)
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by pegasus on Wednesday October 21, 2026 @02:37AM (#50176871)
So what you're saying is that since there are so many examples of what humans have preferred in the past for these models to be trained on, surely there will come a time when they will know even better than us what we want and what we like.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by gpderetta on Wednesday October 21, 2026 @06:43AM (#50178726)
... as long as they still care about what we want and what we like.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by ctmlr on Wednesday October 21, 2026 @03:24AM (#50177199)
It can remix things people have already documented but can it synthesize an entirely new thing?
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by gpderetta on Wednesday October 21, 2026 @06:44AM (#50178732)
to synthesize an entirely new thing you have to start form the big bang. Everything else is derivative.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by overfeed on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @01:27PM (#50169747)
Everyone knows the path followed by every single technology mankind has ever developed - including the incredible run that was Moore's law. Sure, some will think "This time is different" - but is it?
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by Tuna-Fish on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @03:40PM (#50171591)
It doesn't need to run indefinitely. I don't think anyone sane thinks it's going to run indefinitely. It just needs to run long enough. Moore's law was what, 50 years? If AI keeps improving at the rate it currently is for 20 years, the world will be very different when that curve flattens out, in a way that makes most of our current concerns are entirely irrelevant.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by jacquesm on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @03:51PM (#50171726)
Those cycles have shortened considerably. Just look at the lifespan of media, integrated circuits, software, products. There have been so many big model releases just in the last three months I've lost count. We're now closer to weeks between steps.

Maybe if China stops releasing capable models the pace will slow down a little, but they have lots of incentives not to.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by torginus on Wednesday October 21, 2026 @07:57AM (#50179420)
It is, because just like you mentioned, there's no exponential physics to back up growth. LLMs have to stop scaling up compute, because there's only so much resources.

But even if we think back to the previous decade or two (sans AI), most of tech has been a a red queen's race - developing and improving stuff, without any real substantial results.

Microservices and orchestration are not better than old monoliths. Electron apps are not better than native. Most programs people actually use have decades-old codebases.

Video games of today don't look substantially better or play different than ones from 15 years ago.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by InsidiousWombat on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @11:06AM (#50167539)
But it is not a constant point of "this % of people needs the frontier intelligence".

As thje models get better, the % of the pie gets smaller and smaller. So higher and higher cost of getting frontier model out gets divided onto smaller and smaller customer base as other models catch up

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by cjf101 on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @12:09PM (#50168527)
And over a increasingly small slice of time, as, due to the commodification of these things, the frontier businesses will see their customer base walk to the next one that does any better on their task.

This is probably ultimately unsustainable.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by jacquesm on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @12:29PM (#50168883)
Every time they throw someone out with a message about how this request is definitely against their safety guidelines they are clinching the deal on someone running something local or switching to a provider that just lets them get on with their day. Their own fearmongering is going to be part of their undoing.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by jacquesm on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @11:29AM (#50167887)
Yes, this is the crunchy bit and we're already well underway on that curve. I haven't touched a frontier model in months because I can do with smaller ones without wondering/worrying when I'll get banned next because what I'm doing is dual use. Qwen was the the first time I thought oh, ok, so this is 90% of what I need. Then DS4 made that 95% and with GLM 5.3 it's somewhere between 99% and 100%. Now, I'm not trying to solve any Nobel prize winning stuff here but if that's the kind of customer that will remain I don't think the frontier model providers are going to like the next six months or so.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by user43928 on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @11:48AM (#50168188)
That's the crux of the issue. You think that GLM 5.3 is all you need.

However, the expectations for AI are not to make your software engineering work 100% faster.

It's, for example, to build software more or less end-to-end with minimal input and feedback from you.

Then next, robotics and boosting manufacturing. Not by 10% but let's say 200%.

Such are the ambitions. Can GLM 5.3 do it?

The crucial question is whether eg. Fable 6 can, and with what lead over the competition.

Open-weight models still have not beat February's Mythos.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by jacquesm on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @11:53AM (#50168279)
I am actually doing robotics stuff and yes, GLM 5.3 can do it.

As for the manual feedback: I want that manual feedback, but if I let it rip it will do just fine all by itself, but then I have no clue what is going on under the hood.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by user43928 on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @12:22PM (#50168765)
At some point you have to let go of trying for full understanding and control, delegate to the AI, and unlock the real productivity boost.

I have no clue about the state of robotics.

For software, I know that Opus 5.5 can handle more than GPT 5.6 Sol. I am willing to pay for the difference rather than use the cheaper DeepSeek Flash.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by AnthonyMouse on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @12:57PM (#50169303)
> At some point you have to let go of trying for full understanding and control, delegate to the AI, and unlock the real productivity boost.

The prerequisite here is that you can trust it not to do something that gives criminals access to your bank account or allows users to consume an unlimited amount of services it costs you money to provide for free or bankrupts you through legal liability etc.

It's basically this:

"A computer can never be held accountable, therefore a computer must never make a management decision."

Notice what this is actually saying. It's not saying that the computer can't generate a given output. It's saying that if the computer makes a mistake and you don't bother to check, you're the one who has to eat it.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by jacquesm on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @12:59PM (#50169331)
> "A computer can never be held accountable, therefore a computer must never make a management decision."

That's a great way of putting it. So far I always used 'you can outsource work but you can't outsource responsibility'.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by airspresso on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @04:06PM (#50171929)
> "A computer can never be held accountable, therefore a computer must never make a management decision."

Legendary quote from an internal 1979 IBM training document [1]

https://simonwillison.net/2025/Feb/3/a-computer-can-never-be...

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by oldmanhorton on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @03:05PM (#50171118)
Nah man, no you don’t. There are very few absolutes in the world and that certainly isn’t one of them.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by jacquesm on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @12:27PM (#50168843)
I'm getting plenty of mileage without that and anything with a motor in it requires that you do your utmost best to ensure it works within the design envelope.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by user43928 on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @01:06PM (#50169446)
We aren't going to get useful humanoid robots while understanding the implementation fully.

If you can't leverage AI to build a safe and useful robot without fully understanding the implementation, the model is not good enough.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by jacquesm on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @01:17PM (#50169594)
There are so many assumptions in these two lines that I don't know where to begin. I wish you best of luck.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by user43928 on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @01:20PM (#50169638)
The humanoid robot was an example.

My argument is that if safety and liability make the use of AI without fully understanding the implementation impossible, the model is arguably not good enough.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by kortilla on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @01:43PM (#50169959)
A long time ago we decided as a society that in order for an engineer to sign off on physical designs, they have to take legal liability for them.

No such process exists for a model to take a design seriously that can kill people.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by leonidasrup on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @04:17PM (#50172058)
For serious engineering work not only physical designs, software also.

When we manually tested nuclear power plant controlling software, each test case was printed out on paper and tested and then signed by the tester. A lot of paper was produced and archived for each software release. (Archived for as long as the software was running in any nuclear power plant).

Everyone understood, that in a case of significant accident at the nuclear power plant, accident analysis would be done and if the root cause was an software error, this could have possible legal consequences for the developers and testers. (Of course nuclear power plants have many independent and redundant hardware controlling mechanisms, but incorrectly working controlling software could damage the power plant in a very costly way).

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by user43928 on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @02:19PM (#50170449)
With a larger project, I do not think there is a requirement that the engineer signing off understands every implementation detail.

I imagine that the requirement is that after testing, you are confident that the product is safe.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by jacquesm on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @08:11PM (#50174446)
Respectfully: you are out of your depth. Maybe pick another subject?
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by user43928 on Wednesday October 21, 2026 @04:06AM (#50177490)
It was you who shifted the conversation away from software to make an argument that "anything with a motor" requires full understanding of the software implementation, and that for this reason GLM 5.3 is good enough.

I think you're entirely wrong, and we can leave it at that, seeing that you're clearly unwilling to engage constructively.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by mrtesthah on Wednesday October 21, 2026 @09:24AM (#50180555)
The practice of deliberately engineering software without full understanding of the implementation, especially when it comes to robotics, should be illegal. Technology serves society alone and it should progress at a pace that is sustainable for adaption. Your excitement for a “singularity” does not outweigh someone else’s health and safety.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by LPisGood on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @11:36AM (#50167997)
I’m not sure if this counts as a nitpick, but the definition of frontier automatically includes the cheapest models
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by kibwen on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @11:58AM (#50168354)
The market for "frontier intelligence" will be too small to serve outside of certain government/military applications that exist in spite of market forces, in the same way that the market for small, portable nuclear reactors is exclusively limited to submarines and aircraft carriers. When I call a plumber, I don't need a frontier plumber, I just need someone who's baseline competent.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by overfeed on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @01:38PM (#50169886)
> I just need someone who's baseline competent

But why wouldn't you want (and pay) for the very best plumber? A frontier plumber will optimize the time their customers poop, pee, bathe, or do dishes 10x to 200x, and with their freed-up time,they'll outcompete those who don't pay for frontier plumbing!

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by jacquesm on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @01:39PM (#50169905)
You forgot the /s
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by overfeed on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @02:40PM (#50170761)
Sir, I take the impending plumbing singularity very seriously, and wouldn't want anyone to be left behind. When plumbing hits recursive self-improvement, we may see toilets that shit themselves more efficiently than any man can, and finally attain ASI (Auto-Shitting Infrastructure).
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by jacquesm on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @03:55PM (#50171777)
I can see you do. I beseech you though to think about the consequences for other industries. For instance, the ratio of toilet paper:organic product will need to be maintained somehow and I suspect that if we follow your pathway to its logical conclusion that there will be a cellulose crisis unlike anything seen in the world since the USSR went bust.

The next move in my investment strategy is obvious though, invest to the hilt in PVC tubing and I thank you for this invaluable insight. Fortunately this forum has no visitors so we can rest secure in the fact that the pigs won't realize it is too late to avoid being slaughtered. Power to the bulls, after all it is their product more than anything that is responsible for the plumbing revolution.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by torginus on Wednesday October 21, 2026 @08:04AM (#50179506)
> market for small, portable nuclear reactors is exclusively limited to submarines and aircraft carriers

SMRs are being commercialized. Likewise nuclear cargo ships have been seriously studies. Nuclear reactor powered (not just RTG) satellites have been built.

I know this is beside your point, but I think if we figured out how to commercialize this, demand would come.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by redanddead on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @11:27AM (#50167868)
there is definitely an asymptote
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by dvfjsdhgfv on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @10:44AM (#50167213)
Non-frontier intelligence has become a commodity already.

And the success of things like ESP32 shows that good price + good enough is a powerful combination.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by anigbrowl on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @04:46PM (#50172445)
Agreed, but I I wonder what fraction of tasks really require frontier performance, either in terms of sheer difficulty or where speed is a matter of necessity. For many jobs, it's increasingly a question of whether you'd rather have one filet mignon or 20 good cheeseburgers (all from the same cow).
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by KoolKat23 on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @06:22PM (#50173496)
The models will be a commodity, the resources to run the frontier will be the luxury good. This is already the case nearly.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by wisty on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @08:17PM (#50174483)
A high margin luxury good with huge r&d costs is a death spiral.

A high per-user r&d means high costs per user. So then users leave to save a buck, qnd the price goes up again for the remaining users.

Maybe it works out OK if you want to signal wealth - the high price is the selling point. But luxury pure utility is a hard sell to consumers, and for luxury B2B it's about high touch sales (e.g. Oracle).

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by torginus on Wednesday October 21, 2026 @07:50AM (#50179346)
Who can and is willing pay top dollar for frontier human intelligence, and fully utilize it to actually make money?

The only answer I could come up with is hedge funds. Everyone else fails some part of my criteria.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by redanddead on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @11:26AM (#50167835)
> AI will end up being a commodity

what does this even mean, the commoditization... like a thing you can buy from a gas station? AI commoditization is the rock bottoming of pricing.

Usually we end up with cartels in such cases, see OPEC, mafias etc. But we have China throwing sticks into the wheels of the US providers that are attempting to make the cartel and "pacing the frontier"

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by LPisGood on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @11:38AM (#50168034)
A commodity is an undifferentiated good. I expect gasoline to be practically the same at each provider. AI will be similar.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by jacquesm on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @11:54AM (#50168289)
The funny thing is the most lasting contribution OpenAI makes to this field could very well be the protocol for the endpoint.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by overfeed on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @01:45PM (#50169986)
Not too long in the future, I fully expect OpenAI to rescucitate the API copyright aspects of Google v Oracle to pad its revenue in OpenAI vs Everyone profitable
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by jacquesm on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @01:54PM (#50170102)
I wish them good luck. I don't doubt that they will try.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by jacquesm on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @12:12PM (#50168587)
> what does this even mean, the commoditization...

Like a utility. Not 'ACME intelligence' but just 'Intelligence'. With multiple providers selling you intelligence that is 'good enough' by the token.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by LogicFailsMe on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @11:40AM (#50168062)
China is doing all the heavy lifting for the free market in AI right now. I did not have that in my 2020s playbook.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by AnthonyMouse on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @12:35PM (#50168970)
> Usually we end up with cartels in such cases, see OPEC, mafias etc.

Whether a cartel forms is independent of whether a product is a commodity. To the extent that commodity markets are more likely to form a cartel, it's only because it's harder for them to form a monopoly.

The general problem is that if your legal system allows competitors to buy each other then they have the incentive to do that instead of competing. This is why there are supposed to be antitrust laws, and why we get problems whenever they're not actually enforced. But in a typical commodity market, even buying the competition doesn't quite work because someone new can always enter the market. Congratulations, you've cornered the market on landscaping services... until some unemployed fellow who already owns a lawnmower and a truck starts advertising their services.

OPEC is kind of a special case because the product is entirely fungible but it's also finite and consumed by usage. Landscaping services aren't meaningfully finite, if demand increased then supply could match it under any plausible scenario. Copper is finite but it isn't destroyed by usage, so if someone had a lock on copper mining then people could still get it by recycling existing products.

Whereas oil is finite but then the end customer burns it. If Saudi Arabia cuts production, Germany can't make up for it by extracting more domestically because they haven't got enough in the ground, but they also can't capture the exhaust from their cars or power plants and turn it back into petroleum because the product is really energy and it takes more energy to do that than you get from burning it to begin with. So if the largest exporters get together, they control enough of the market to control prices and there is no real way for anyone else to enter the market with enough production capacity to change that.

Until you realize that the product is really energy and you can get out from under their thumb by switching to electric cars and generating electricity without burning fossil fuels.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by kortilla on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @01:50PM (#50170043)
>Usually we end up with cartels in such cases, see OPEC, mafias etc.

No we don’t. That’s quite rare.

Look at the collapse of the solar market around 2010 as the price collapsed.

Look at the collapse of the steel industry in the US as outsourcing to Asia took over in the 70s-80s.

Look at the entire computing boom from 1990-2020. Memory and storage followed such a steady line down and to the right that people are struggling to operate compute businesses in a normal market.

E-bikes, scooters, electric cars, lithium ion batteries in general. Most food.

The list of these commoditized things that started out as areas of innovation and became just the marginal cost of production is enormous.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by inciampati on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @10:12AM (#50166775)
It's a commodity, and research into how to make it good will be done in the open. What this means is that we should doubt the justifications offered by magnificent-N-whatever companies slurping up all investment dollars to take over the world by being the first to get "general" "super" intelligence. No, there won't be a runaway improvement. Sadly, AI is just a clone of our inner world. Getting interesting information into it is still going to be just as slow as it is in the regular world. You have to build, tinker, experiment, get data, get knowledge, etc. The only thing getting sped up is how much time needs to be allocated to thinking and translating.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by 8note on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @10:30AM (#50167024)
there could still be a runaway improvement, but it also almost certainly goes with the decreasing prices
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by Windchaser on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @10:51AM (#50167316)
Isn't the modern economy already a runaway improvement? First writing and agriculture, the stone age became copper became bronze became iron became steel, and one Revolution after another - agricultural 1 and 2, industrial, information.

Looks like AI will be another revolution, and eventually, probably the largest.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by everforward on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @11:31AM (#50167931)
I’ve never heard anyone say raw inference was unprofitable. It wouldn’t even make sense, I can’t see a rug pull for renting out commodity GPUs.

People are saying _training + inference_ is unprofitable (I don’t have a dog in the race and don’t really care either way). That’s a lot of GPUs and salaries that aren’t generating revenue at any moment.

Personally, I would guess Anthropic and OAI are profitable. I just suspect that they’re a pretty normal level of profitable and not the absurd, near-alchemical “can turn dirt into gold” level of profitable their valuation seems to have priced in.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by nixon_why69 on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @11:39AM (#50168035)
To add on, training + a highly paid American salary load + inference is unprofitable, if and especially if you have deepseek dropping weights and engines for anyone to run.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by pell on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @12:52PM (#50169227)
I don't see the average person being able to run DeepSeek's most competitive models though.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by nixon_why69 on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @02:59PM (#50171029)
They don't have to, slightly above-average people can host in Asia for way cheaper than anthropic.
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by torginus on Wednesday October 21, 2026 @08:11AM (#50179575)
Why would it be cheaper? Electricity might be (slightly, possibly), but H100s aren't
Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by everforward on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @06:03PM (#50173306)
H100s are renting out at a few dollars per hour. An awful lot of people could run them if they wanted.

OpenRouter's DeepSeek provider is basically this. Instead of renting H100's for dollars per hour, you pay someone that arbitrages the $/hr to $/token conversion because you can't actually saturate an H100 for hours. It's still effectively the same as running it yourself because of the ability to change providers to someone else arbitraging the same thing, and that there's always the escape hatch of switching to actually renting the H100s yourself.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by uludag on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @01:29PM (#50169772)
There may be different thesis out there, but the fact of prices going down definitely doesn't help the case that the major AI labs are are overvalued and need to vastly increase their revenue to stay afloat amidst their contractual obligations.

I honestly don't think there are too many people arguing "AI is actually too expensive to take my job". "AI being too much of a commodity to make meaningful profits" could very well be the case though.

Re:DeepSeek just open-sourced its inference engine by jeremyjh on Tuesday October 20, 2026 @06:06PM (#50173331)
I have seen the former argued many times, though mostly not on HN. It is a cope meme I’ve seen mostly on Twitter and Bluesky, but some on HN and the Elixir forum as well.

They are literally hoping Anthropic & OpenAI go bankrupt (totally possible), and everyone goes back to using their meat brains for work (never happening).

In this context it just doesn’t matter if these companies are profitable after amortizing training cost, because deployment of open weight models that already exist will continue to disrupt economies for at least the next decade if all research ended tomorrow.