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Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by 1659447091 on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @06:20PM (#50096259)
> I must continually remind myself that I am the instigator and it's feels quite strange as a heavily introverted person. I don't particularly enjoy being the instigator

Once I figured out that this was a skill and not just something people that are not me are born with, it made things a lot easier. Went from making up all kinds of stories in my head about myself and others to thinking about each interaction as practice and realized lot more people were like me, thinking I'll be invited somewhere or talked to if I was liked or was interesting enough; waiting for someone else to do the inviting or talking first. I just remind myself that a lot of others also want to be invited or talked to, and that reminder greatly reduced my fear of rejection.

Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by nuclearsugar on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @07:25PM (#50097030)
Indeed I've had a similar realization and it's a very helpful reminder. Also every time I go to a meetup, I remind myself: to be interesting, you must be interested.
Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by 1659447091 on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @08:02PM (#50097389)
> to be interesting, you must be interested.

I think thats the crux of it, most people respond positively when others are interested in them. As long as its genuine, asking about, or be interested in, others goes a really long way.

Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by rubicon33 on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @08:29PM (#50097577)
It helps to know a thing or two, about a wide range of topics, for this reason.

Take for instance someone telling you about their career. "I'm a software developer".

You can express interest with a response like "Oh, thats cool, what made you go into that line of work?" but thats a very generic, shallow response.

If you know a thing or two about software, for example, you can ask more interesting questions that show your interest in them, and your knowledge of the space. "Woh cool, how is AI coding impacting your life?"

Suddenly, it seems like you're much more interesting yourself, AND you're interested in them.

The tricky part nowadays is everyone has very niche interests. It's harder than ever to really have a breadth of knowledge that is broadly applicable. This was easier before the internet, before travel, before telecommunication. When your community was your community and news traveled slowly, it was a lot easier to learn about what impacted others.

Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by yshamoun on Thursday October 15, 2026 @12:05AM (#50099007)
I agree with your point, but as a software developer I’d much prefer the generic response in your example.
Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by hn_user82179 on Thursday October 15, 2026 @01:55AM (#50099742)
lol yeah, everyone I meet now immediately asks me what I'm going to do about AI
Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by roncesvalles on Thursday October 15, 2026 @03:05AM (#50100265)
I love being asked "what made you go into that line of work?" because I can answer with "mostly the money" (which is a very honest answer yet socially somewhat inappropriate), and their reaction to my answer immediately gives me a signal into whether we're going to be close or not.

Some people act so shocked when you tell them you did something because it would make you richer and not because an angel came to you in a dream and whispered in your ear to save the disenfranchised underclass (and all the cats) by writing code, or whatever's the current faux na pas reason to pursue a vocation these days.

Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by ZenoArrows on Thursday October 15, 2026 @06:58AM (#50101931)
I think the reason they act that way is because you're signaling to them that you dislike your job. Which is fine, but ideally you'd find some gratification in it that isn't just monetary, since it's what you spend most of your time doing. Money can only compensate so much for a shitty job.
Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by gn_200826 on Thursday October 15, 2026 @07:03AM (#50101976)
One of the best signals I found for whether I will enjoy my conversation with someone is if they commit a small social faux pas
Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by dimaaan on Thursday October 15, 2026 @08:40AM (#50102796)
I respect the honesty. Curious, though: would you say that in a job interview too?
Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by roncesvalles on Thursday October 15, 2026 @08:42AM (#50102820)
No, and I'd also judge the interviewer hard for asking that question. I don't like interview questions that are really just cues to start spewing rehearsed bullshit.
Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by vineyardmike on Thursday October 15, 2026 @12:43PM (#50106349)
It’s considered socially crass to just care about money in life (see: Ebenezer Scrooge), but everyone does a job for money - very few jobs are actually altruistic. There are many jobs that few would do if not for the high income (eg Lawyer) or is just difficult or boring. It’s a given that the income is a motivator in a high earning job.

Answering why you picked this particular path to high income is more interesting of an answer to the person asking and carries the conversation. Did your parents do it, did you have a professor that captured your attention, did you just google “easiest job to make a lot of money?” and pick the first one?

Someone asking wants to understand how and why you make decisions. What motives you. Etc. It’s the XY problem and from the other person’s perspective, you’re answering the wrong one.

Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by mejutoco on Thursday October 15, 2026 @02:14PM (#50107825)
> Someone asking wants to understand how and why you make decisions. What motives you

This is too simplistic. Someone might ask that for a million reasons. Also, you will be judged not only by your answer. Being so direct might show you are not on autopilot in the conversation, your humour or that you only care about money, depending on a lot of other factors. It might make one more memorable as well. I personally would read it as light humour, unless it is accompanied by a dead eyes stare.

Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by Razengan on Wednesday October 14, 2026 @11:50PM (#50098915)
> most people respond positively when others are interested in them.

To be fair, most people are uninteresting.

Maybe the goal should be to be okay with being ordinary.

Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by myaccountonhn on Thursday October 15, 2026 @12:09AM (#50099036)
Ordinary people can be interesting though.

If you meet someone who is completely and utterly uninteresting, that in itself is interesting.

Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by adrianN on Thursday October 15, 2026 @01:59AM (#50099776)
There are no uninteresting natural numbers. One, as the smallest natural number, is certainly interesting. Assume all numbers up to n are interesting. If n+1 is uninteresting it is the smallest uninteresting number and therefore interesting.

And yet everybody cares precisely nothing about almost all natural numbers.

Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by d1sxeyes on Friday October 16, 2026 @10:39AM (#50118930)
… where we came in. The premise is flawed. n + 3 can never become interesting because when n + 2 becomes the smallest uninteresting number, n + 1 cannot hold that distinction at the same time, so n + 1 loses its interesting status as the smallest interesting number, and becomes uninteresting again, which means n + 2 is no longer the smallest uninteresting number, n + 1 is and isn’t this…
Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by t-3 on Thursday October 15, 2026 @06:28AM (#50101692)
Most people are completely and utterly uninteresting. I feel that interest in people is largely a physical reaction rather than a thought exercise. Even people who have done cool stuff are often uninteresting. Their story may be interesting, but their person is not.
Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by master-lincoln on Thursday October 15, 2026 @07:51AM (#50102351)
that's subjective and not worth discussing much if you do not specify what makes a person interesting for you
Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by t-3 on Thursday October 15, 2026 @10:40AM (#50104361)
I don't really know. Why do we get along with some people but not others? There's probably a definable reason but it's not usually a conciously-reasoned thing that can be easily specified or classified.
Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by weatherlite on Thursday October 15, 2026 @08:03AM (#50102459)
> Most people are completely and utterly uninteresting

How do we even define interesting ? Like interesting opinions/hobbies? Good storyteller ? Who cares about that. I do need to like you and you need to be an agreeable person imo, but no having a real unique life or opinions is really not that necessary imo. Having a sense of humor is a big plus to me though.

Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by criddell on Thursday October 15, 2026 @10:59AM (#50104673)
> Their story may be interesting, but their person is not.

What do you mean by that? What's the difference between a person and their story?

Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by inSumErgoCogito on Thursday October 15, 2026 @11:06AM (#50104771)
Because people expect another person to be a amusement park- a show. They are not. They are a information processing system- often not even fully self-aware of the information their subconcious weaves into complex ideas. Surveilance and reflection does not improve that performance or allows to reproduce it. It instead produces distraction.

This is why you can not "interview" innovative or creative people- and only get a flat "imposter" image of the creative person. The observation hinders the process and all you get is basically the "house keeping" routines- weaving together some plausible stories, on how a "idea" came to be.

The true process is a walk in the mountains. Some scribbled notes. Glued together during some conversation on a similar topic with friends. I always found it fascinating, how the "iterrators" can dismiss something/someone that clearly works- just because they can not dissect and reproduce it.

Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by Razengan on Thursday October 15, 2026 @02:10AM (#50099856)
Also, you don't have to be interested in each other: Find a shared interest.

And it doesn't have to be anything special; you could find joy together in the mundane:

Petting cats, watching the rain, taking a walk through the woods without saying anything..

Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by watwut on Thursday October 15, 2026 @02:47AM (#50100129)
Normal people are interesting.
Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by weatherlite on Thursday October 15, 2026 @08:01AM (#50102441)
Depends on how we define interesting. Interesting in itself is pretty overrated imo, I don't need you to be some artist who lives in the streets and is addicted to heroin - I mean that's really interesting but not something I want in my life. Be boring - have a 9-5 job like me. But be agreeable, be interested in me as well from time to time and we can relate. Whether we truly hit it off is not about how interesting I am to you or you are to me I think.
Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by bubbluppugus on Friday October 16, 2026 @10:29AM (#50118800)
Are you conflating normal interest in another's well being with Einstein like outlierness?

I can find "interesting" (based on a boring reading from a dictionary) the unknown days events of a friend even if while knowing the person was not engaged in breaking down understanding of reality.

It's not the person or their todo list that's interesting but awareness of a cognitive disconnect of not knowing what their todo list was that day.

Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by c0nsumer on Thursday October 15, 2026 @10:26AM (#50104155)
Interestingly, this is what the book "How to Win Friends and Influence Others" gets at. While it's ostensibly a sales book, the very basis is how to be genuinely nice to people so they want to talk to you and be around you. And from those relationships come sales opportunities.

As another person for whom relation stuff does not come naturally, this was incredibly helpful because little pieces of advise really do work, because they really are nice things to do/say.

A favorite example of mine, when starting to talk to someone who probably already doesn't care for you is to find something -- anything -- that it's clear they like or chose, which you also happen to like, and pay it a genuine positive complement. And perhaps talk about it a little bit.

Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by jmaw on Thursday October 15, 2026 @11:16AM (#50104916)
I've heard a lot of negativity around this book, and haven't read it yet. Did you feel like it was positive in the sense of genuine niceness, or negative in the sense of trying to be manipulative, etc.?
Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by tekla on Thursday October 15, 2026 @12:35PM (#50106195)
The negativity is from people who only read the title. The book content's are about skills to be friendly. Some people over index on the skills to being off-putting because it's such a popular book that many can tell when you're using "skills" from the book
Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by Fantosism on Thursday October 15, 2026 @12:37PM (#50106239)
It's really more of a dated manual on social etiquette. The negativity is mainly that it seems every salesperson is gifted a copy and implements the same techniques. Similar to how Chick Fil A has ruined the phrase "My Pleasure". The author himself states that it's genuine interest that forms connections, but ultimately the goal is to get something like a deal closed, the employee complying or the customer buying. Just depends on how you frame it.
Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by jfyi on Thursday October 15, 2026 @12:38PM (#50106264)
I am certainly guilty of general negativity to that book. There are plenty of legitimate gripes, like the content is simplistic and overly repetitive. It really could have been a 10 page pamphlet.

But let's put that aside, the negativity really comes from the fact that every time I have seen it brought up in real life, it is being wielded like a cudgel by a person not practicing what is in the book. It is effectively corporate short hand for "you need to learn how to be a better servant".

Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by c0nsumer on Thursday October 15, 2026 @01:03PM (#50106699)
What the others have said, and also, there are folks who take and implement the advise wrongly. Like, one of the other points is that people like knowing their name was remembered and hearing it used. I take this as "remember people's names, and when you haven't seen them in a while, say 'Hi, name!'" or so.

Some folks take this over the top and do a weird, false-feeling thing like sprinkle the person's name into conversation over and over, or at the start/middle/end. And it makes the conversation feel stilted, fake, and like a situation is being forced. And that casts a negative light on the overarching idea that people like being remembered, and their own name is a big part of that.

Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by dingdongditchme on Thursday October 15, 2026 @03:08AM (#50100280)
Being interested is also a lot more easy than to be interesting. The latter really depends on the eye of the beholder. Whereas I make it a game to find out what is interesting about the person across from me. Sometimes I strike gold, sometimes it's a dumpsterfire and we implicitly agree never to talk again. But once you strike gold and meet people you genuinely are really interested in, you get addicted.
Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by everdrive on Thursday October 15, 2026 @09:11AM (#50103165)
>Once I figured out that this was a skill and not just something people that are not me are born with,

Agreed, but I'm not so sure this was previously true. Or at least not _as_ true. There used to be a lot of more socializing by default. People who were poor in this skill set still had relatively regular social opportunities.

This seems to be gone today, and now it's purely manual.

Re:Americans' Social Activity Has Steeply Declined in the Pa... by TDelta2258 on Thursday October 15, 2026 @02:27PM (#50108058)
>Once I figured out that this was a skill and not just something people that are not me are born with

I agree that it is a skill, but like any skill it helps immensely to start learning it as a child. It took me until my 30s to realize that my parents were essentially... antisocial. And that most of the social skill lessons I took from them, if any, were probably wrong and unproductive. I spent a lot of time (and money) trying to learn to overcome that, but never made any progress.