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Re:Make Tmux the OS by gizajob on Saturday October 03, 2026 @10:32AM (#49944615)
> The concept of "filesystem" is an increasingly weak concept.

Yeah because Apple has broken that idea over and over and over. The anti-unix unix.

Re:Make Tmux the OS by someonebaggy on Saturday October 03, 2026 @10:50AM (#49944793)
It's nothing to do with evil old Apple and everything to do with phones being hard to type on, and search becoming better.
Re:Make Tmux the OS by goalieca on Saturday October 03, 2026 @11:35AM (#49945179)
I remember it like this. Windows XP and earlier was a horrible era for stability and security and the world was overall less connected. Phones were always on and always connected. The iPhone was honestly the first stable internet device, that didn't sleep or pause, and the first internet device many people had that wasn't infected by viruses.
Re:Make Tmux the OS by dpark on Saturday October 03, 2026 @12:09PM (#49945460)
> Windows XP and earlier was a horrible era for stability and security

Huh? Windows XP was the first NT-based release for home users. It was a milestone in stability.

Re:Make Tmux the OS by sporadicism on Saturday October 03, 2026 @12:20PM (#49945566)
XP was godawful for years security- and stability-wise until the release of SP2.
Re:Make Tmux the OS by dpark on Saturday October 03, 2026 @12:51PM (#49945836)
No it wasn’t. XP was quite solid in terms of stability, miles beyond its predecessors. You have to remember that its mediate predecessor was Windows ME.

It was also far more secure, but it was still not nearly secure enough.

> ”Upon its release, Windows XP received critical acclaim, noting increased performance and stability (especially compared to Windows Me)…”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP

Re:Make Tmux the OS by sporadicism on Saturday October 03, 2026 @01:30PM (#49946111)
It definitely was.

> It was also far more secure, but it was still not nearly secure enough.

That's one way to say "plagued by a decade of botnets."

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP

Now google XP blue screen of death. Still alive and well then.

If the bar is Microsoft's most loathed release, then I guess you could call it stable and secure.

Re:Make Tmux the OS by dpark on Saturday October 03, 2026 @01:46PM (#49946236)
> It definitely was.

Weird that contemporary articles praised its stability then.

> That's one way to say "plagued by a decade of botnets."

No, it’s a way of saying that it introduced real identity-based security isolation to the OS. Prior to this every user had full access to the entire system incisions everyone else’s data who shared the system.

Unfortunately Windows XP was not hardened to the reality of the internet. (Nor were any of its predecessors.)

Re:Make Tmux the OS by anthk on Saturday October 03, 2026 @03:23PM (#49946972)
Compared to W98SE, the actual OS for home users (almost no one used ME), Windows XP was a godsend.
Re:Make Tmux the OS by bigstrat2003 on Saturday October 03, 2026 @12:28PM (#49945622)
Security maybe, but not stability. XP SP1 was rock solid, and even RTM was nowhere close to "godawful".
Re:Make Tmux the OS by kergonath on Saturday October 03, 2026 @01:20PM (#49946052)
It was more stable after the SP2, but initially it was undermined by buggy drivers and rampant malware, NT kernel or not. True, it was better than ME…

What most people remember of XP now is what it became after a couple of years of fixes and improvements, and the contrast with Vista.

Re:Make Tmux the OS by dpark on Saturday October 03, 2026 @01:38PM (#49946162)
It was hailed for its improvements in stability from the time it was released. My recollection was that it was a massive improvement over 98/ME lineage. It was mostly a wash vs Windows 2000.

Yes, it became more stable with the service packs, but it was a significantly more stable OS out of the gates than anything consumer users had been getting.

Rampant malware was a separate (and very significant) issue.

Re:Make Tmux the OS by tehologist on Saturday October 03, 2026 @08:59PM (#49949505)
I was a windows 2k user during that time because win xp was horribly unstable till sp3. It was rock solid after that, finally as good as windows 2k. Though I never liked the Fisher price color scheme.
Re:Make Tmux the OS by kergonath on Sunday October 04, 2026 @07:53AM (#49953083)
> My recollection was that it was a massive improvement over 98/ME lineage.

That much is true.

> It was mostly a wash vs Windows 2000.

No, not really. They did some empirical testing at the university I went to and the conclusion was that they kept the Windows boxes on 2k almost until Vista.

Re:Make Tmux the OS by dpark on Sunday October 04, 2026 @12:44PM (#49955483)
My university switched pretty quickly. But I do not know how empirical that decision was. Anecdotally all of my friends made the switch from 2k and were fine with XP. But again, anecdote. Your university apparently found that 2k was meaningfully more stable for them.
Re:Make Tmux the OS by gizajob on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @05:29AM (#49976165)
IMO Windows 2000 is the platonic ideal Windows and everything else since has been a mis-step.
Re:Make Tmux the OS by orbital-decay on Saturday October 03, 2026 @02:37PM (#49946613)
Sure, but there were also multiple points in time (even after SP2) when you had to unplug the network to install it, because in a couple minutes of being online or in a large LAN it would get infected during the setup and shutdown. You also needed all updates and a third-party firewall on a CD. Win+R shutdown /a is still in my fingertips after all these years.
Re:Make Tmux the OS by creativeSlumber on Sunday October 04, 2026 @12:44AM (#49950708)
There were plenty of internet connected phones before the iphone. Nokia, Samsung all had phones with full internet access and browsers and other apps. I think there was even a Java mobile app standard called J2ME.
Re:Make Tmux the OS by gizajob on Saturday October 03, 2026 @11:01AM (#49944904)
iPhoto. iTunes. iCloud. iMovie. Notes.

None use the file system in anything like the way their unix underpinning would have files be understood or organised for users. Hard to even know where your files are without asking the app to deal with them one by one. Predated phones and even Spotlight doesn’t do a good job of showing/knowing where your files are.

Re:Make Tmux the OS by someonebaggy on Saturday October 03, 2026 @11:04AM (#49944933)
And why should they? I don't know where my browser cache is either. Or my rows in my sqlite database. Or the system clock configuration. Actually I do know: They're stored on the hard drive.

Files aren't physical.

Re:Make Tmux the OS by gizajob on Saturday October 03, 2026 @11:14AM (#49945009)
Diff two iPhoto libraries to check if they contain the duplicate photos
Re:Make Tmux the OS by rovr138 on Saturday October 03, 2026 @11:37AM (#49945199)
Create a new library,

import the images from both libraries (https://support.apple.com/en-us/119920)

View > Utilities > Duplicates

or use jdupes or czkawka on both directories.

Re:Make Tmux the OS by gizajob on Saturday October 03, 2026 @12:17PM (#49945532)
Great tip, but also: exactly.
Re:Make Tmux the OS by someonebaggy on Saturday October 03, 2026 @11:24AM (#49945084)
On the phone itself?
Re:Make Tmux the OS by gizajob on Saturday October 03, 2026 @12:16PM (#49945522)
On the filesystem-enabled device called Mac commonly used for semi-pro operations like file management and backup.
Re:Make Tmux the OS by someonebaggy on Monday October 05, 2026 @08:28AM (#49963976)
Someone can write a script to do that and it will make zero difference whether the script accesses the music through something called a filesystem, or something completely different.
Re:Make Tmux the OS by skydhash on Saturday October 03, 2026 @11:42AM (#49945231)
> And why should they? I don't know where my browser cache is either.

This makes it a pain where you want to have a custom configuration. Like moving the cache to a ramdisk. My NVME disk is plenty fast, but rarely I want my browser cache to persist across a reboot. It's a pain to move the cache to /tmp/firefox-cache as an example (/tmp is a ramdisk on my laptop). Also a pain to backup profiles.

Re:Make Tmux the OS by dankobgd on Saturday October 03, 2026 @11:06AM (#49944952)
i know where mine is, so i can clear it myself if i care.
Re:Make Tmux the OS by bigstrat2003 on Saturday October 03, 2026 @12:30PM (#49945644)
So which is it? Is Apple not responsible for ditching the filesystem, or is it a good thing that Apple has ditched the filesystem? You can't have it both ways.
Re:Make Tmux the OS by creativeSlumber on Sunday October 04, 2026 @12:47AM (#49950722)
Your browser cache is a cache. You don't care if it goes away. On the other hand, your pictures you do care. That's the only copy.
Re:Make Tmux the OS by bguebert on Sunday October 04, 2026 @09:02PM (#49959596)
It's important to know so they can own their own photos and not like feel like they can't cancel a cloud hosting service that keeps increasing the cost because they will lose them all.
Re:Make Tmux the OS by jrm4 on Saturday October 03, 2026 @01:38PM (#49946171)
It is everything to do with Apple. Everything.

It started with the Ipod and the weird mp3 system, to the Ipad not shipping with a real file manager and is all so very obviously deliberate.

Re:Make Tmux the OS by somat on Saturday October 03, 2026 @12:26PM (#49945609)
It is the age old conflict, what is better a verb focused or noun focused world.

Is the core the database(the filesystem) and the apps roam around in it, or is the core the apps each with their own database.

I grew up with noun focused operating systems, which is probably why I prefer them. Here are your things and you can use various actions on them(some valid some not). And as such find the verb focused ones unpleasant to use. Here are your actions each includes it's things. But where are my things? It does not matter, each action knows where it's correct things are. But I want my things, I know they are in there somewhere. (fights the phone for a while)

Re:Make Tmux the OS by glitchc on Saturday October 03, 2026 @12:35PM (#49945692)
> Is the core the database(the filesystem) and the apps roam around in it, or is the core the apps each with their own database.

The first option is evidently better for the user. The filesystem is a neutral entity with a well-defined interface, whereas each app is on its own journey. For a period of time that journey may align with the user's workflow, and both are happy. But there inevitably comes a time where the app and the user diverge, and for the user, it is imperative that they be able to switch to another app without losing access to their data.

To a user, the data matters most, and the filesystem, because of its neutrality, is the best model for access.

Re:Make Tmux the OS by throwaway290 on Saturday October 03, 2026 @12:51PM (#49945842)
But that leads to a thing where an app has a file format that contains a bunch of its data, and it acts like a mini-database anyway, except now the user needs to remember where it is located. Then if there's data that links between multiple files and doesn't belong to a particular one, it is blurred again.
Re:Make Tmux the OS by glitchc on Saturday October 03, 2026 @02:10PM (#49946416)
Yup it's not perfect, but in the filesystem model, the file continues to exist until an alternative solution emerges. In the app model, the file (and associated data) may be locked away forever.
Re:Make Tmux the OS by andrewflnr on Saturday October 03, 2026 @02:15PM (#49946461)
These are all relatively trivial problems, or (in the last case) essential risks of increased power.
Re:Make Tmux the OS by nonethewiser on Sunday October 04, 2026 @12:44AM (#49950710)
Can you imagine if the iphone booted into a filesystem?
Re:Make Tmux the OS by Wowfunhappy on Sunday October 04, 2026 @07:34PM (#49959057)
Yes, you would have apps, folders, and files together on your homescreen. As it already does, except today the homescreen can only contain apps.
Re:Make Tmux the OS by rubslopes on Saturday October 03, 2026 @10:38PM (#49950073)
> It is the age old conflict, what is better a verb focused or noun focused world.

Reading your comment earlier, while trying to make dinner now, made me realize that the reason I hate the layout of my house might be the same reason I never got into Vim...

To get to the kitchen, I have to walk through the dining room, where all the plates, bowls, glasses are. But I can’t grab what I need yet, because I haven’t seen the food. I first need to get to the kitchen, look at what’s there, and decide what I’m going to make... Only then do I know which tools I need.

My house verb first, but my brain works noun first.

Re:Make Tmux the OS by rmunn on Monday October 05, 2026 @08:27PM (#49972629)
Can't give house-layout recommendations, but if you don't like Vim's verb-first syntax (y3w for "yank 3 words"), then you could try https://kakoune.org/ or https://helix-editor.com/, both of which (I'm told) operate noun-first (first you select the words, then you press the command key).

But Vim can also operate noun-first: just press `v` to go into visual mode. Then you drag out a selection, and press the command. No need to switch editors and relearn all the places where they differ. (If you're already used to Vim, of course, which might not be the case for you).

Which is why I've never tried Helix or Kakoune myself. Because the big selling point, noun-first operation, is already in Vim, just one keystroke away. Multiple cursors are a neat idea, and when I have to use VS Code I find them quite useful for doing things that I would have done with Vim macros. But I've already learned Vim macros, and there are few cases (though not none) where multiple cursors would have made something easier than the macro-based approach.

Anyway, point is, for anyone else who might stumble across this comment somehow, that Vim allows noun-first operation too: just go into `v`isual selection mode, select text with motion commands, and then press the operation command key.

Re:Make Tmux the OS by rubslopes on Monday October 05, 2026 @09:09PM (#49972922)
Thank you for the recommendations!

Years ago I bumped into Sublime Text, which introduced me to multi cursors. I ended up becoming quite good at using regex for search, then pressing Alt+Enter to select all the matches. That satisfied my multi-selection needs, and although I tried getting into Vim later, I felt that the effort was too much and my setup already made me quite fast at editing code in multiple places.

Re:Make Tmux the OS by analog31 on Saturday October 03, 2026 @12:38PM (#49945724)
First came proprietary file formats, and they were evil. Now, un-find-able files in proprietary formats.
Re:Make Tmux the OS by WhyNotHugo on Saturday October 03, 2026 @12:50PM (#49945821)
Actually, macOS isn't Unix. It's in the name of its kernel: XNU: X is Not Unix. Don't let the fact that it's a certified Unix confuse you.
Re:Make Tmux the OS by MithrilTuxedo on Saturday October 03, 2026 @12:52PM (#49945843)
Windows shows my Desktop folder in four distinct locations in the native file manager. Some representations of my home folder have more files and folders in them than others.

I use Bash via Git4Windows as much as possible, but even there... `cd ~/git; cd ../Downloads; cd ../git` doesn't work because `..` from `~/Downloads/` is `~/One Drive/`.

It's... non-Euclidiean.

Re:Make Tmux the OS by michaelsbradley on Saturday October 03, 2026 @05:44PM (#49948089)
Install MSYS2, and use its Bash, for a better overall experience.
Re:Make Tmux the OS by dd8601fn on Saturday October 03, 2026 @06:45PM (#49948507)
I still don’t really understand exactly how that bullshit supposedly works, and it makes me want to throw my shitty Windows work laptop.

It reaffirms the distance I’ve put between myself and that tinker toy OS over the last decade, every day.

Re:Make Tmux the OS by psd1 on Sunday October 04, 2026 @04:18AM (#49951790)
It's approximately equivalent to a fuse driver at a mountpoint. It remaps to a hidden cache for something approximately equivalent to webdav.

You should not throw your laptop because of the specifics of how the onedrive integration works. You should throw it because the onedrive integration is invasive and obnoxious.

Re:Make Tmux the OS by peder on Saturday October 03, 2026 @02:33PM (#49946586)
No, that was just Apple and others realizing that (1) the file system needed some type of wrapper for security purposes, and (2) the move to the cloud didn't work very well with local file systems (they still don't... most of my data in the cloud isn't a "file").