Once everyone operates as you do, then websites will have little value. Just publish a .md file or API if you have interactivity.

I’m aware.

Yes. UI design is a real skill, as evidenced by the majority of UI designs being frustrating and confusing for anything but the most common use cases. AI interfaces to all these systems isn't as good as a great UI, but it's a lot easier to make and it's a lot better than a bad UI. I suspect AI interfaces are going to become the "worse is better" of the 2020s.

I'll have my bots talk to your bots. Maybe our bots can do lunch.

Why aren’t there more Hollywood jokes? Have your agent call my agent

It's a fascinating case of use our product to build websites & apps until we can get our product to entirely replace websites & apps.

AI is this strange double-threat for folks in software development: attacking both the demand and supply at the same time.

Me, I don't think they are super eager to be a hosting platform even though this is a very logical extension for them. I think they're hoping this is a catalyst to make login with OpenAI as ubiquitous as login with Google.

Wall-E all the way...

You don’t mind letting a company get 100% access to your personal data?

Unless you use a zero data retention inferencer?

Most people host their data on cloud anyway. Once you turn off training there is no difference to storing data with OpenAI/Anthropic vs Google or Meta.

there is no difference because all four will train on your data anyway :D

They don’t need to, and it would be too risky and too difficult to keep such a conspiracy going.

And also, what’s your story here? That they don’t delete the data they agree to delete, and stash it secretly somewhere? And that they have programs that are mire secretive tan NSA’s inside that secretly finetunes algorithms on such data?

They would expose themselves to lawsuits that would crush their companies, even with such absurd valuations? And possibly risking jail time of the top people? GDPR offences in certain countries are punishable by up to two years in prison. And with a such blatant violation at least in EU the maximum sentences would most likely be given.

I don’t mind (within reason), and I think you’ll be shocked by how many people do not care. I self host passwords and keep financial access secure. Otherwise I don’t give a shit if someone sees my 30 year old dong in a picture, my bills, or my bucket list. Have fun!

This just means that you don't care about identify theft and scamming using your personal data.

These people are beyond hope. No they don't care about anything. They are waiting for the bots to plug them into the matrix so they can finish out their lives in silico.

The killer app behind Azure and GCP in a lot of cases, the thing that really drove multi-billion dollar decisions made by the largest cloud customers in the world, was that they were not Amazon.

Why would Walmart want to let Amazon hold their business hostage, tell them all their secrets - literally pay to hand it over to them - and generate profits that would surely be re-invested in competing against them in retail? Even if AWS handled Walmart's account in 100% good faith and helped Walmart tremendously, they would still ultimately be paying to make themselves less competitive in a world where their single competitive edge (low-margin retail) would be eroded.

Would the consumer - or really anybody that likes having cheap, widely available products they don't personally make for themselves - ultimately benefit in a world where Walmart's only choice is AWS (startup-branding) and AWS(ea-branding) and AWS(IBM branding) and AWS(Microsoft-branding, if they were also evil chinese communists who maybe trained on the traces they paid for)?

better hope you're not walmart

AI will also replace the "profession" of website visitor. Nobody will care about a website itself, because (1) AI will crawl it, and (2) people will just ask AI directly.

That's an interesting future where everyone's personal agent basically renders their own interpretation of information that's out there. And seems like the logical end state.

"make the world agree and act such that I am the best at anything and never have to change, all of my current world views are what they should be" yea at that point why even connect to any other person ever. Plug straight into the narcissism machine with 5% hallucination rate...

My understanding of these predictions was more like the UI is headless and rendered from the http response/JSON etc rather than the entire thing is generated ad-hoc.

Thanks for the doom :(

People just do this anyways and we have all kinds of "bias" and "fallacy" labels to identify the ways in which they do so. We've also known about the impossibility of making people understand something in exactly the same way that you do for all of recorded history (and probably longer). Pearls before swine, can't make a horse drink, none so blind, etc. you can disseminate as much information as you want but people will ignore it, misinterpret it, reinterpret it to suit their own beliefs or potentially, even interpret it more correctly than you have (shocking, I know).

Sorry if I'm reading your comment the wrong way but it seems like this is the interpretation that many people would have (ha!), if you meant it more ambiguously then I apologize. I'd agree in the case where this is a neutral outcome where some will use it to delude themselves, many will use it in a way that doesn't stray too far from the norm and others will use it to great effect to improve their understanding.

I think we have seen this sort of 'process' before, with the introduction of GPU acceleration and fast animation on UIs. It played out like this:

1. Software is fast and UI is instant, things happen instantly

2. UI is instant and software is slow - UI will lag

3. UI is animated with transitions and sofware is slow - people are initially happy, but it wears off in weeks

4. Software gets optimized, now UI animations take longer than getting the underlying data

5. The logical endpoint. Software is fast. UI needs to be instant Remove all animation and let UI render instantly; This is what most users actually prefer.

The parallel with LLM websites is direct imo. We're now getting these fancy websites, but once the magic wears off, everyone will go back to the 'text and links on page' style.

Text is not ideal in many cases. I work with CNC algorithms. I have opus 5.5 optimising algorithms. When I don't understand what it is blathering on about I ask it to sketch some svg animations to explain itself. I've been shocked at how on point most of them are. You still have to watch out for the odd hallucination but I have some base prompts that tell it always to use scripts and real math to generate SVG rather than do it by inference. With some tweaking it can create some shockingly godd one off animations to explain part of an algorithm it's working on. Text is simply difficult to comprehend when a picture can do the job much better.

> people don’t like animations and yearn for text and links only

I don’t think this is the case in general, well done animations are nice.

I think the ability to retrieve and display data in <20ms, thereby leading to interactions that are instant is still an open and underexplored UX issue.

What if you could just hover a link and all the important data would just appear?

What if you started typing a command in console, and the execution results would appear speculatively as soon as you hit the key?

Some programs do this to some limited degree, but besides the humble textbox and outside videogames, instant interactivity is seldom seen.

Only on day 1. After that, I’m blind to animations (best case) or annoyed at having to wait for them to finish before proceeding with my task.

One word:

SUBSTANCE.

That's all that matters.

Kinda but not because of that.

It'll be something else - 'agents' paradigm will evolve and look nothing like it does today. After OAI etc crash and burn that is.

> Opus is my interface for 95% off my work. I don’t open emails anymore i let it summarize draft and handle most of the work and I only talk to Claude and not read/write the emails myself.

I’m trying to do the same. Could you give me some tips on what works for you?

It can already connect to ads. And it can look through all your competitors ads at warp speed, en masse, and figure out how well they are doing and steal their ideas and copy all their creatives.

Also, just inside Google Ads itself they stuck Gemini which tries to get you to spend your life savings on ramping up your campaigns. If you use Gemini externally it tells you Google is trying to scam you :p

Yes that’s what I’m doing. Practically i have my competitors on lock. Most of the time security lacks and you can even figure out the model/prompts/database they use so the moat is gone.

Sounds like you're also priming yourself to be replaced.

That is my point!

> [...] I only talk to Claude and not read/write the emails myself.

Agree on many other points, but personally, I find receiving completely AI-written emails somewhat offensive. (Personal emails, at least; for advertising slop or adjacent things I find them about equal to baseline, which is a low bar though.)

Have you received any feedback (positive or negative) on this?

I suppose once the majority of recipients also start sending every received email through an agent summarizer, it's a moot point anyway...

Sorry but Opus I can’t see the difference.

It’s definitely better than me in writing support emails!

Which is better is a different question, but people can definitely tell, if only via Pangram.

Based on what you described I don't really see what value you add on top of AI.

>> I can monitor my competitors and copy every feature a/b test resolution they’ve done instantly for (3$ of my budget)

yeah, everyone can.

>> I’m an early adaptor of the latest models.

latest models become default one as soon as they are released. so everyone is an early adopter now.

I mean that is my point...

However what you say is amongst devs, but that’s from my non-dev friend circle less than 1%. However but almost everyone has used chatgpt already.

What are you building? Is it successful? Does it support you in the lifestyle you’re aiming for?

I have the lifestyle I want since I’m 25. I have nobody to tell me what to do and can work when I want on the things I want. I don’t really have to work actually. I just like to work

Given that your entire business is what can Claude do without you doing pretty much anything, do you wonder what your market would look like if 5 competitors did the same thing?

Imagine if there were 5 competitors all selling variations of the same basic products with minor cosmetic differences! The horror! How would you ever make any money? It's simply inconceivable.

I agree. How about 50? See where this is going?

I'm not sure what you are alluding to. Is it that his margins would go down? 5, 50, 500 competitors sell the same basic products on every shopping app: Amazon, Temu, Etsy, etc. Even brick and mortar stores like Walmart sell products not of their own brand.

Or is it because he uses Claude that something changes?

It's that the entire business is a commodity with almost no human touch.

Back when all clothing was hand cut and stitched out of cloth also made by hand every pair of underwear was overflowing with human touch and also cost so much time or money that you'd be lucky to have more than one pair if you weren't very wealthy. Now most clothing and especially basics like underwear and socks are mass produced and even the poorest people can afford to have new clothing on a regular basis and own multiple changes instead of wearing rough homespun and patched up rags. Yes, it became commodified. Is this a bad thing? Decidedly not unless you prefer only the wealthy to be able to afford clean, new and even stylish clothing.

Notice that commodification didn't eliminate the demand for custom made or designer clothing. It stayed a luxury and demand and variety even increased. Commodification opens up a range of markets as well besides just the cheapest market you get a whole spectrum of quality, cost and niche markets that weren't possible when supply was constrained. The same thing will happen with software. If you want to make artisanal, hand made to order apps and websites then there will be plenty of people that want that but now everyone will be able to afford their own good enough app or website without investing a huge amount of time or money to build it.

You don’t hate or regret using AI anymore as your HN history states?

4 months ago you wrote that AI was the biggest swindle of all time

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48302450

You are a bot that just says whatever is convenient for you to get upvotes in a thread.

They've just outsourced their taste, commentary, and enjoyment of media to Claude.

Have it watch the latest Netflix/HBO, summarize so you know what happened! It will tell you which ones you enjoyed, and which streaming to pay for.

Also 3 days ago

> I have very little need to run Agents over night, as my throughput is limited by my approval.

> I really have no idea what to do with my agents over night.

There was one guy commenting on my old post that stuck with me along the lines, what would you need for you to approve less. It first bothered me, but I kept it with me and I started thinking differently about my software and especially with Opus 5.5 + heavy linting and cleanup routines it seems sane to evolve to pipelinee engineering, but it also makes me feel that whatever I’m doing now is gonna be in the next model, because what I did yesterday is in the model now...

oof, the post smelled AI generated to me, more in content than voice. so instead of writing software, his agents are actually karma farming

I read the comment yesterday and had no clue. Just read to me as someone way too enthused about it. Damn

I mean the post itself is indicating that he did not write any of it and that it was written by AI.

Yep its a shame whats happened to HN. Real pity.

Reality is I just got turned. This is new for all of us and we all try to understand and learn this new reality. I always say what I believe most at that moment and I try a lot to not be a stuck with my old opinions, but rather have the best jugdement I can at time.

From experience my pendulum might overswing sometimes. Thank you for the reminder.

For the love of god please stop sending LLM written emails, it’s incredibly unprofessional :(

It’s a helpful filter

> I only talk to Claude and not read/write the emails myself

I feel sorry for the people receiving correspondence from you who aren't even granted the privilege of a human thinking about the response they give.

> I don’t open emails anymore i let it summarize draft and handle most of the work and I only talk to Claude and not read/write the emails myself.

I pity the people on the other side.

Indeed. What a horrible way to treat colleagues or friends.