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Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by Cider9986 on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @01:18PM (#49804764)
The upcoming Signature 27 will be announced today at the Snapdragon Summit. It has been teased by Motorola on their socials and will likely release in the US because they've posted about it on US social accounts.

The 2026 Signature, in the UK, is $1460 USD. In Brazil it is selling for $1230. The Pixel 11 pro XL, which the Signature beats on hardware in practically every way sells for $1300 on Google's website.

It looks interesting... I didn't love the 2026 design [1] but it looks better than whatever this is. Here's pictures:

https://xxcancel.com/moto

https://x.com/moto

[1] https://www.motorola.com/gb/en/p/phones/motorola-signature/s...

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by asdff on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @01:26PM (#49804929)
Flagship phones are so damn expensive for what you are getting. I just buy whatever is the current iphone SE which is usually around $300 for the top storage sku when I show up to buy it a couple years after release. At my current burn rate $1300 would be like 20 years spend on phones for me.
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by SapporoChris on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @01:56PM (#49805448)
What stopped me from buying flagship phones is the repair costs for phones are far too expensive in relationship to the value of the phone. Results will vary, but waterproofing usually diminishes after a repair.
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by bityard on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @02:32PM (#49806015)
I am not the right market for flagship phones because I don't have thousands of dollars to put towards disposable income, but I would expect a premium phone to come with a premium warranty and repair service... Do they typically not?
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by hirako2000 on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @03:26PM (#49806816)
No they don't. Even waterproof phones damage due to simple water spill get denied warranty (even from Apple).
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by avree on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @05:03PM (#49808067)
https://www.apple.com/applecare/

AppleCare specifically covers water damage of any kind, and is what I would assume OP would be referring to as a "premium warranty and repair service".

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by hirako2000 on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @05:35PM (#49808469)
That isn't my read.

ApplecCare is as much a warranty as their Apple's phone are guaranteed waterproof.

It's marketing.

The 3 year warranty add-ons is an insurance. One can get an insurance for any device.

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by lesuorac on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @08:37PM (#49810158)
AppleCare isn't a warranty (as the other poster points out).

The standard iPhone warranty disclaims water damage [1] and Apple has been sued in the past for using humidity activated sensors.

[1]: https://support.apple.com/en-us/109350

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by Lord_Zero on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @01:59PM (#49805497)
Eh... get protection plan, or trade up every year for big discount on the next flagship. Or with AT&T plans you are getting a "free" phone fairly often if you don't intend to leave the carrier for a few years (most people wont). The parent comment you replied to makes some assumptions that you have to spend full price all at once every year which is false. Also, there's almost always a deep discount on Pixel phones around most holidays.

And if you truly are ultra budget $300 phone guy then sure this doesn't apply to you.

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by ahartmetz on Thursday September 24, 2026 @04:15AM (#49827746)
You sound like you spend a lot of money on phones, and what for? By the way, there are $100 phones - $300 isn't ultra budget. I tend to use $300 phones for about five years; they come with some excess performance when new that allows that.
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by deaton on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @03:39PM (#49806985)
My current phone is definitely flagship for the time, ~$850, and I will be holding onto it as long as I can because flagships, with headphone jacks, available in the US, are something that just does not exist anymore, and I'm not spending $1500+ to import the cheapest Xperia only to have it barely work on my cell network.
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by subscribed on Wednesday September 23, 2026 @04:34PM (#49822179)
Oh, Xperia.

Wonderful hardware but f*k Sony with the update policy.

My last Xperia was I Mk 2. Nominally flagship. Great hardware, great spec, I loved the form factor.

It got one major Android update and total of 18 months of security updates since the release.

Like, WTH?

No more Sony for me.

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by SoftTalker on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @01:35PM (#49805116)
That's also what I buy with Apple now. When I was using Android I'd buy a cheap "Moto G" for maybe $150 brand new. Never understood dropping a grand or more on a mobile phone.
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by microtonal on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @01:57PM (#49805463)
Cameras of flagships are still significantly better than a $150 Moto G. If you are using a smartphone in place of a camera and like good-quality photos, it's worth the money. That said, flagships can last many years as well.

I update pretty frequently, but all the older devices get used by family members, etc.

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by asdff on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @02:27PM (#49805937)
The camera has actually been getting worse now that they bake in AI smoothing to muddle details. I think we hit the sweet spot already going forward.
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by SoftTalker on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @02:00PM (#49805514)
The camera is probably the least important thing on the phone for me, but yeah if photos are important to you then that might rule out the cheaper tiers of phones.
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by microtonal on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @02:07PM (#49805630)
Yeah, people have different needs. One of the nice things with GrapheneOS on Pixels is that you can even pick up the latest Pixel 10a for ~400 Euro (and older models even cheaper) and it will still have what Google calls a flagship chip, but more importantly all the nice security stuff like the Titan M2. For a mid-range phone it also has pretty ok cameras.

I hope that a few years down the line there will also be great midrange Motorola phones with GrapheneOS support. But they have to start somewhere.

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by armadyl on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @05:58PM (#49808742)
Tbh this is up to Qualcomm more than anything. Pessimist in me says that they’ll gatekeep the security features to higher chips in order to max out profits.
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by microtonal on Wednesday September 23, 2026 @03:17AM (#49812706)
Depends on what e.g. Mediatek does I guess. So far only Tensor and Exynos had the required security features, but I don’t think you can buy either chip when you are an OEM.
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by iteria on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @01:50PM (#49805364)
I keep my phone until the security updates stop. I buy top of the line phones because cheaper one suck. I tried a cheap phone and it used to lock up all the time. These phones are crappier than my obsolete top of the line phone. There has got to be a middle ground between 1K flagship phones and cheap sub-$200 phones, but I swear I can't find it.

I just keep buying phones with way more features than I desire just so that having too many apps open at once or going to the wrong Javascript laden web page doesn't slow my phone to a crawl. I just tell myself that at least I only replace my phone every 5 to 7 years. If it wasn't for work, I'd keep them longer, but the OS has to be patched for work stuff to be on it.

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by drnick1 on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @02:33PM (#49806029)
> There has got to be a middle ground between 1K flagship phones and cheap sub-$200 phones, but I swear I can't find it.

The Pixel phones are precisely that, and they are the only phones supported by Graphene for now. The a-series is a particularly good value and I am posting from one.

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by autoexec on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @05:25PM (#49808328)
I'm impressed you can get them with headphone jacks. It's too bad they don't support memory cards too
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by SoftTalker on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @01:58PM (#49805481)
> If it wasn't for work, I'd keep them longer

I think if work demands a better phone, then work should be buying you a better phone.

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by jrochkind1 on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @01:54PM (#49805416)
Moto G Power is the cheap phone that hasn't sucked for years. I've bought many been happy. The one time I tried a Samsung, it was a mistake.

but they bumped up prices significantly a few months ago due to chip prices or tarrifs or who knows what, it's not so cheap anymore.

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by bossyTeacher on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @05:03PM (#49808064)
Do you get security updates with these old android phones?
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by SoftTalker on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @11:23PM (#49811259)
You do for a few years usually. Not as long as flagship phones but they're about 1/10 the price.
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by ahartmetz on Thursday September 24, 2026 @04:17AM (#49827760)
For 3-5 years depending on model for the $300 Motorola phones.
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by asdff on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @01:52PM (#49805394)
>There has got to be a middle ground between 1K flagship phones and cheap sub-$200 phones, but I swear I can't find it.

In my experience this is literally the iphone SE. Look at the chipset, its no slouch.

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by bityard on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @02:28PM (#49805950)
I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who thinks smartphone prices are just absolutely crazypants right now. I can't envision paying more for a phone than I would for a (gently used) workstation-class laptop.

Over decades of buying Android devices, I have yet to pay more than $300 for one. The one I'm using was actually free in exchange for buying a year of T-Mobile prepaid credits. No, it never was the fastest thing on the planet but it makes calls and runs the apps I want.

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by fmajid on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @04:40PM (#49807765)
Have you priced a workstation class laptop recently? They’re over $3000 even with a paltry 32GB RAM

Miniaturization costs, and I would expect a flagship phone to cost at least as much as an equivalent CPU/RAM/storage laptop. The cost of miniaturization, modem, camera and OLED more than balances the bigger screen and keyboard/trackpad.

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by dcminter on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @02:39PM (#49806103)
Also using Moto G-series phones for a decade or so now. Seems I have more junk (gambling apps, linked in, etc.) to scrub off them each time though.

I could see myself splashing out on a more expensive phone if it were less locked down - so probably never. However I don't play games and as a Gen-Xer my laptop is where the rest of my digital life lives; it makes sense that those for whom the phone is their primary device would prioritise it more (especially with somewhat predatory financing).

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by franczesko on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @03:03PM (#49806421)
The only reason why I've decided to pay 500+ (for the first time in my life) for a flagship device was for a better camera and storage, as I wanted to have good quality photos of my kids.

That said, I will keep on replacing the battery until the circuit board itself turns into ash

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by hirako2000 on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @03:30PM (#49806871)
An old Samsung S10 takes stunning pictures. Mid range phones at 300 USD are incredibly good at taking shots.

But our appreciation keep getting skewed because flagship phones make leaps forward.

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by echelon_musk on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @01:52PM (#49805393)
Sadly there are no more iPhone SE models so this strategy won't work forever. Eventually iOS 18 will stop getting security updates and you'll have to use the increasingly worse newer versions of iOS.
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by officeplant on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @02:15PM (#49805747)
I assume this means they will just start buying the E series, The 16E is nearing two years old and already in the sub $400 range for used ones.
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by ledoge on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @02:15PM (#49805750)
Current street prices in Austria:

~750€ for the Motorola Signature, with 512 GB storage

~900€ for the Pixel 10 Pro XL, with 256 GB storage (the 11 Pro XL costs much more at ~1200€, since it just came out a month ago)

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by fph on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @02:59PM (#49806356)
Probably the price for Moto signature is that low only because they're right about to launch the next version.
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by _aavaa_ on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @01:35PM (#49805112)
That’s not saying much. The selling point of pixels has always been the software.
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by horsawlarway on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @01:44PM (#49805258)
The selling point of graphene is basically that you get the pixel software experience.

It just puts Google in the same sandbox Google puts everyone else.

Typing this on a pixel running graphene.

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by drnick1 on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @01:58PM (#49805482)
> It just puts Google in the same sandbox Google puts everyone else.

Yes, you can do that, but Graphene is probably best used without Google apps at all. If you use Google Maps, sandboxed or not, Google still knows where you are, what speed you drive, etc, and can rat you out to car insurance companies or the government.

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by microtonal on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @02:10PM (#49805674)
Yes, you can do that, but Graphene is probably best used without Google apps at all.

That totally depends on your goals. For some it's security, for some it's privacy from Google, for some it's removing the ability from Google to (worst case) remote brick/block your device. The latter may sound a bit far fetched, but if I was employed by, say the ICJ, I would know what system I'd run to avoid that.

One of the things that I like about GrapheneOS is that it accommodates all these use cases and on a gradient (e.g. personally privacy from Google is also important, but I like that I can use sandboxed Google Play Services with most of its permissions removed).

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by cherryteastain on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @02:07PM (#49805624)
Graphene OS devs themselves recommend that you install apps on Graphene OS via Google Play Store for security reasons. They also explicitly recommend Graphene OS users to not use F-Droid or Aurora Store. Make of that what you will.
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by Cider9986 on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @02:32PM (#49806021)
> Graphene OS devs themselves recommend that you install apps on Graphene OS via Google Play Store for security reasons.

Can you provide a source that they've said this recently? This seems to be a bit of a misrepresentation.

They say:

>The Play Store app is also the most secure way to install and update apps from the Play Store.

on /usage, but this does not indicate it's the most private way or that it's the recommended way to install apps. It seems to me to indicate that this is their assessment of the security of the ways to install apps that are distributed on the Play Store, not a recommendation or privacy assessment that applies to other apps or to their users in general.

They don't recommend against Aurora Store [1], but it is not user friendly as the Play Store because app installs frequently fail and automatic updates do not work as well. Installing apps from Aurora has the advantage of no google account, but Google is still handed a list of all the apps you have installed, IP address, app details, device details, and GSF ID. It will likely stop working or become even more broken. It is useful when apps block installs from the Play Store because of play integrity.

I use it myself for the few Google apps I install like Camera because I don't want to install play services.

I would consider their actual recommendation to be their own App Store and Accrescent (alpha).

Obtainium is great but not user friendly.

The claims about problems with F-Droid are true. It's not like they oppose FOSS, their whole operating system is FOSS and they've never said anything bad about IzzyOnDroid, which fixes the problems with F-Droid and even adds a bit of security.

[1] https://nitter.freedit.eu/GrapheneOS/search?f=tweets&q=auror...

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by Cider9986 on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @01:50PM (#49805355)
The thing I like about GrapheneOS is it's the most private operating system while still having great usability.
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by ndarray on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @07:44PM (#49809793)
What do you mean? It's stock Android. Other manufacturers are putting much more effort into UX in my opinion. Do you mean something else?
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by subscribed on Wednesday September 23, 2026 @04:47PM (#49822345)
No, it's much more. Google gates some of the features.

Stock Android (AOSP) misses stuff like Call Screen, Hold for Me, Direct My Call, Digital Wellbeing,

If it was the same the hostility like this wouldn't matter that much: https://www.androidauthority.com/google-not-killing-aosp-356...

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by _ink_ on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @02:01PM (#49805518)
And here I am with my 26 Signature, still on Android 16 with Patch Level from January and the phone reporting happily, Looking Good! Everything up to date!

Get your update process working @Motorola!

Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by _ink_ on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @06:08PM (#49808881)
Nevermind. I just need to remove my SIM card and use a VPN to Spain to get updates. wtf
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by GuinansEyebrows on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @04:05PM (#49807345)
the thought of having a phone, which i touch all day, set on many surfaces, put in my pockets etc having a fabric enclosure is so gross to me. did they just forget that people use their phones on the toilet? or while they eat messy food? that gold/tan model is bound to look like a busy parent of 4's minivan interior within a month.
Re:There's a high chance of devices being sold with Graphene... by Cider9986 on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @09:05PM (#49810379)
I don't think it's actually fabric. It's a "fabric-like polymer coating".