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Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by mywittyname on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @05:30PM (#49617356)
They have not changed. They still maintain this "enlightened centrist" persona, while claiming "both sides are the same". And their social commentary, if you could call it that, is very tame. They did briefly lean into making politicians out to be evil, but they kind of walked that back and now their story lines read more goofy than anything.

The whole premise of the new season is telling. It's not about the suffering people have gone through due to wars (trade or military) or the food situation (the diarrhea parasite / cancer beef ep writes itself). Nope, it's about how the silly goose in office is renaming stuff.

It's possible to be serious and funny, but the new stuff I've seen has been unserious and unfunny.

Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by cucumber3732842 on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @07:30PM (#49618632)
>They did briefly lean into making politicians out to be evil,

Shame. I wonder if they got "talked to."

Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by Whoppertime on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @06:33PM (#49618091)
If they are centrist and treating both sides the same, what are your favorite Joe Biden jokes from South Park? Given the number of Trump jokes and the both sidesism you mentioned there should be a lot of material to work with
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by EA-3167 on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @05:43PM (#49617519)
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by CobrastanJorji on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @06:20PM (#49617984)
See the word "rare" in the headline?

They didn't go after Gore because he was wrong. They went after him because he committed the cardinal sin of really, earnestly taking a stand on a big issue. That is NEVER okay in South Park. There is never a correct side. Both sides must always be bad, on every issue. The "correct" view in South Park is always to not really take a stance on anything, and any character who is strongly on one side or the other on any issue will always be portrayed as wrong to do so.

That's not to say that South Park doesn't have some great episodes poking fun at some very deserving targets. They absolutely do. Some real gems in recent seasons.

Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by kulahan on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @07:02PM (#49618378)
As an example, you do realize that in the South Park episode where Gerald starts farting into a wine glass after buying an electric car, they're not making fun of people who buy electric cars, but rather people who think they're special for having bought an electric car, right?

And with Gore, it's not that he took a huge stance, it's that his messaging was goofy and ineffective.

Satire is dead, I guess.

Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by CobrastanJorji on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @05:53PM (#49634963)
That's just it, though. The people who buy electric cars because they want to help the environment are wrong. They're only doing a good thing because they're self righteous pricks who are full of themselves. They're just as bad as the polluters.

The people who want to stop smoking are wrong because they're self righteous pricks who are full of themselves. They're worse than the cigarette companies.

The guy who want to help the environment is wrong because he's a self righteous prick who is full of himself.

The folks raising awareness about North Korea are wrong because raising awareness isn't actually helping people directly. It's just a bunch of self righteous pricks who are full of themselves.

Any one of those episodes has a perfectly valid point to make. But taken as a whole, the overarching message is that both sides are always bad, and the one that sounds like it wants to make the world a little better is probably worse than the evil they're opposing.

Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by kulahan on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @07:29PM (#49636097)
Thank you for posting exactly the hilariously wrong interpretations I'm actively speaking about.
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by CobrastanJorji on Thursday September 10, 2026 @12:43PM (#49646644)
What's wrong with my interpretation?
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by kulahan on Thursday September 10, 2026 @05:48PM (#49650584)
The premise of every single one of them is wrong because you’re depressed and projecting. You’re just so dedicated to searching for evil that you’ve completely confused “look at this goofy person” for “FUCK THIS SELF-RIGHTEOUS PRICK”.
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by gowld on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @07:14PM (#49635938)
See Sarte on anti-Semitism: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7870768-never-believe-that-...

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by kulahan on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @07:24PM (#49636041)
Antisemitism and satire - famously the same thing and this is definitely not an insane comparison.
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by EA-3167 on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @07:53PM (#49618837)
Pedantry is a double-edged sword, I replied to a comment beginning with the unequivocal: "They have not changed."

In fact they've changed a lot, their sense of humor, how they make the show, their willingness to embrace a broader viewpoint, and yes their ability to admit that they screwed up something important. It may not be as much change as you'd like, but that's a different question.

Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by Gud on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @02:13AM (#49621863)
Gore is a massive hypocrite and deserves the ridicule he gets.

No champion of the environment gallivants in a jet and lives in a mansion.

Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by conorcleary on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @06:13AM (#49624059)
What if the mansion had balloons and the jet was grounded? /s The point of shows like SP taking on targets like Gore were their eco-shaming angles; these people we know of and hear of are polished products of Corp. Inc. and if they have a green angle it's accompanied by green-washing, which will have anti and pro groupies alongside stirring up discourse that is both helpful and non
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by Gud on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @06:24AM (#49624152)
If Gore had built a floating castle in the sky, a one off magical house, I’d say, he’s alright
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by psd1 on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @02:59PM (#49632179)
Your observation of the contradiction is correct, but reductionist to a fault. If Gore would have been better than Dubya, and if campaigning requires travel, etc.

I take it you don't decry hydro for the use of concrete?

Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by tzs on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @08:27PM (#49636570)
That's ridiculous. It is perfectly reasonable to live a normal life by the current standards of the world while advocating for political change that will change those standards to be better for the environment.
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Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by cogman10 on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @06:01PM (#49617762)
Really bad example by Maher.

There are much better examples where the 2 parties are frustratingly aligned to a large extent. For example, datacenters, ICE, and foreign policy. You can find a good number of democrats who are mad about Iran not because it's a dumb war, but because it wasn't done correctly by going through congress.

Both sides are aligned pretty closely in making their donors happy above their voters. That keeps democrats from regulating like they should and it keeps republicans focused on "the enemies within".

Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by laimewhisps on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @06:14PM (#49617909)
Maher himself is a perfect example of this. He's a hardcore Zionist warhawk who has an ideology nearly identical to Ted Cruz, yet he's a "liberal" (neoliberal). He also had Democrat Van Jones on his show making fun of dead Gaza babies. While I don't think the media and politician class represent the public (at all!), they are as aligned as lasers on promoting Israel.
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by kg on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @05:50PM (#49617620)
His examples don't hold up.

Latinx is attempting to provide an umbrella term for latino and latina, it's not renaming one of the two.

"Birthing person" is attempting to provide an umbrella term for people who can give birth that may or may not necessarily be female. (You can express your own feelings about the reality that this exists, but it does exist regardless of how you feel about it).

On the other hand Lake Ontario is a real lake that already had a name and now someone is trying to give it a new one.

Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by jackp96 on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @06:25PM (#49618031)
Largely agree with you, but Democrats should drop "birthing persons" ASAP (if they haven't already) IMO.

I'm all for inclusivity, but there's a certain point/form of language policing where you're asking folks to perform a lot of mental labor to adjust their language to reflect an extremely rare edge case. Like why?

It's like if we insisted that people avoid the phrase "look at this" in general communication lest you offend/exclude a blind person who might be listening.

Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by cogman10 on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @06:39PM (#49618140)
> Democrats should drop "birthing persons"

I've never heard 1 democrat politician say "birthing person".

This was never something "democrats" said and always something that rightwing media says that Democrats say.

There's nothing to drop or defend as this is completely a distraction from real issues.

Basically, rightwing media LOVES picking fringe individuals pushing a position and pretending like every democrat actually believes the same.

Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by liveoneggs on Thursday September 10, 2026 @09:56AM (#49643797)
2024 NIH guidance: https://web.archive.org/web/20240409042454/https://www.nih.g...

These word changes were real things that happened by government policy.

Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by cogman10 on Thursday September 10, 2026 @10:22AM (#49644199)
> Both pregnant women and pregnant people are acceptable phrases.

Literally the first sentence in the guidelines that talk about birthing person.

The entire paragraph says "it's fine if you want to" and isn't prescriptive.

This is a fake controversy. You are literally just mad that some people recognize and want to be accommodating to trans people.

Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by liveoneggs on Thursday September 10, 2026 @11:08AM (#49645080)
I really can't stress enough just how offensive "chestfeeding" and similar turns of phrase are to massive numbers of women. It is a very big deal.
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by bigstrat2003 on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @06:41PM (#49618155)
Also, there's no such thing as being able to give birth and not being female. Many argue that "woman" refers to an internal sense of gender and not the physical reality of one's body, but even in that framework the term "female" refers to the nature of the body. And if you can give birth, you are female, because that is the configuration your body is in.
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by psd1 on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @03:01PM (#49632229)
You've never heard of hermaphrodism? Biology is _complicated_
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by badc0ffee on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @06:42PM (#49618161)
You definitely need to be female to give birth, regardless of whatever gender identity label you give yourself (e.g. "man" or "non binary").
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by kg on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @07:05PM (#49618404)
If you want to provide appropriate care to people with wombs you don't want to filter based on what their drivers' license or birth certificate say, because those can not only defy your expectations, but they can also be wrong due to clerical errors or other factors.

I can't even humor your assumption that there are only two sexes and one birthing sex, because intersexed people exist, as do people with unusual chromosomes. Some of them have wombs and can give birth. Language like "birthing persons", while awkward, admits the existence of those people into a larger group without requiring even more awkward phrasing akin to "women, and men with wombs, and intersexed people with wombs".

Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by what on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @09:34PM (#49619654)
Intersex and chromosomal disorders don’t change the sexual binary. They aren’t some weird other sex.
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by wredcoll on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @07:33PM (#49636139)
You should probably let all the doctors and scientists know that you're changing the definition of sex and they're all wrong then.
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by what on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @09:18PM (#49637041)
There are literally two sexes. There is no doctor or scientist that would disagree. What other sexes do you think exist?
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by e_outofme on Friday September 11, 2026 @06:58PM (#49666578)
It ultimately does depend on how you choose to define "sex". This turns out to be a hard question, with different definitions making sense in different contexts. Is it gametes, chromosomes, genitals, hormones, something else, or some mix of all of that? What happens when these characteristics that can change, do? How do we classify people who have mismatches between some of these categories of characteristics? What assumptions are safe to make about people of different sexes?

My point is, our interpretation of these observable biological processes and facts, and our response to them, is socially constructed. There are many Doctors and Scientists who do very much agree with this complex view, just as I'm sure there are those who believe in a strong binary like you. I see the complex view here as much more useful, especially in navigating things like human dynamics and healthcare needs in ways that benefit us all

Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by ceejayoz on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @06:44PM (#49618184)
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by liveoneggs on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @11:38AM (#49628346)
I'm not sure if you're kidding or what but the mothers in that paper had 46 (the normal number) of XX chromosomes, a female with a mosaic-type defect containing some Y - successfully giving birth further proves these were female humans.
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by nostrademons on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @12:10PM (#49628846)
If you want your mind-blown, read up on feto-maternal microchimerism:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8762399/

tl;dr: All boy moms will have some proportion of XY cells lodged in their bodies until they die. And this can result in them showing up as genetically male on a DNA test, simply because they once gave birth to a boy. When you get down to a cellular or molecular level, notions of "sex" or even "individuality" are far more blurry than our mental models admit. Sorta like recent findings that by cell count, humans are only about 43% human, and the rest is the bacteria making up our microbiome, and that our microbiome can have significant impact on our behavior.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-43674270

Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by liveoneggs on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @03:18PM (#49632562)
yeah I knew that already - I have a son and it was mentioned as a fun fact along the way
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by optionalsquid on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @12:24AM (#49620965)
That was conclusively disproven by Schwarzenegger et al., 1994.
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by nosioptar on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @12:44PM (#49629395)
Our education system has failed younger generations. Everyone my age watched the documentary about Schwarzenegger's pregnancy.
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by nostrademons on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @06:56PM (#49618317)
Latinx is terrible, though, because it is something no native Spanish speaker would ever say. It's an example of the exact same sort of cultural imperialism that most of the people who like to say latinx rail against.

The term that Hispanic queer and non-binary communities use is latine, which is pronounceable, follows normal Spanish grammatical rules, actually arose from the communities being discussed, and pluralizes easily to "les latines".

Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by plorkyeran on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @12:23AM (#49620962)
It's almost like it's not a Spanish word. It was coined by native English speakers to describe themselves. It also happens to be a terrible English word, but the fact that it doesn't work in a different language's grammar isn't why it's a bad English word.
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by liveoneggs on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @12:34PM (#49629220)
when did this retcon get invented?
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by what on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @09:28PM (#49619591)
> "Birthing person" is attempting to provide an umbrella term for people who can give birth that may or may not necessarily be female.

There is no person that can give birth and is not female.

Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by tzs on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @08:32PM (#49636631)
Latinx actually is comparable to what Trump is doing. It is outsiders trying to force a word on a community that doesn't want it.

Only about 4% of the US Hispanic population uses it, 75% say it should not be used, and half have never even heard of the word. It doesn't fit Spanish grammar or pronunciation rules which makes it look even out of place.

Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by jackp96 on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @05:55PM (#49617695)
Eh, it's a decent joke, but it seems like the power dynamics here are a bit out of balance?

Maybe I just live in a red area, but I see a lot of people judge liberals based on wild Twitter takes and random think pieces — which aren't actually policies/rule of law.

If Joe Biden signed an EO denouncing the use of the phrase "pregnant woman" in government documents as a queerphobic slur or mandating Gov employees add their pronouns to their email signatures, I'd find this take more compelling.

But he didn't.

Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by matwood on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @01:56AM (#49621701)
You reminded me that I had a person at work get mad that I used the phrase “9 women can’t have a baby in 1 month”. They couldn’t explain why other than I’m a man and can’t talk about women. So it’s not wild Twitter takes.
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by wredcoll on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @07:23PM (#49636025)
Boy, this sounds like a fair and honest representation of a totally real conversation you had.
Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by matwood on Thursday September 10, 2026 @03:55AM (#49639982)
That’s the exact conversation. We were talking about speeding up a development process and I used the classic saying in the context that some things just take time. It shook me a bit because I don’t want to make anyone feel uncomfortable, but me and the other people in the room sat there at a loss with what the issue was. She also couldn’t explain other than saying woman is bad, which showed she didn’t take the time to even try to understand what it meant.

She was eventually fired in part for yelling at a guy in a huge meeting when he answered a question about to a hypothetical boss as “he” instead of she or they.

So I understand your skepticism and would also be a skeptic if I didn’t live it.

Re:Trey Parker and Matt Stone Are Changing the Name of South... by wredcoll on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @07:29PM (#49636098)
You know, aside from, well, everything else that makes this a stupid comparison, the most important part is the motive that people like you seem so happy to ignore.

Latinx is a not particularly useful attempt by a tiny group of people to make another tiny group of oppressed people feel slightly more comfortable

Trump renamed lake ontario because he is a gigantic asshole.