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Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by ryandrake on Sunday September 06, 2026 @11:52AM (#49587709)
Love it. AI as Responsibility Laundering. Like the gun that kills people rather than the murderer.
Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by yubblegum on Sunday September 06, 2026 @12:08PM (#49587890)
https://spia.princeton.edu/news/taliban-legal-system-and-202...

That’s not how things work. There is one set of rules for us and another set of rules for the oligarchy and their corporate vehicles. It’s just like the Taliban legal code (see above) where the closer you are to the top the more lenient and ‘understanding’ the system.

Edit: worth a pull quote

Article 9 explicitly divides Afghan society into hierarchical categories based on social status, including religious scholars (ulema), elites such as tribal leaders and merchants (ashraf), the middle class, and the so-called lower class, assigning different forms and levels of punishment accordingly. This structure grants partial or full impunity to privileged groups while subjecting marginalized individuals to harsher penalties.

Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by ghosty141 on Sunday September 06, 2026 @12:21PM (#49588025)
I never understood how anybody would think this way. At work for example from day one of using AI our rule was, AI is just a tool and if you break something due to not reviewing the code properly etc. it's on you as if you wrote that code yourself.
Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by collingreen on Sunday September 06, 2026 @12:30PM (#49588120)
Nobody ACTUALLY thinks this way, they just want to break all the laws and make their billions without any consequences. We've already seen the big ai labs turn around and cry foul when others try to use their content but they are happy to continue doing it themselves.

The hypocrisy and willingness to play dumb are kind of staggering.

Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by BloodyIron on Sunday September 06, 2026 @01:08PM (#49588561)
Didn't they literally just give you and example of those who do?
Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by collingreen on Monday September 07, 2026 @01:17PM (#49600614)
My claim is they don't actually believe and instead use the claim to cover/excuse bad behavior.
Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by fwip on Sunday September 06, 2026 @01:24PM (#49588712)
Imagine if we as a society pretended to believe them, and we had men with guns show up to arrest all their servers.
Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by pojzon on Sunday September 06, 2026 @05:31PM (#49591176)
Accountability? Never heard of him, probably works in another department. Check out with Carol.
Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by tsimionescu on Sunday September 06, 2026 @01:29PM (#49588768)
The company owners have one set of standards for those that work for them, and a completely different set of standards for themselves and for the company itself.

If you are using AI and it causes some damage to them, then it's your fault and you'll get reprimanded/fired. If they deploy AI and it causes damage to someone else, then that's proof that AI has extraordinary capabilities that no one could predict and that merit way more investment in this tech.

Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by ghosty141 on Monday September 07, 2026 @11:24AM (#49599460)
Yeah I think we all agree that this double standard is a huge problem and has no merit to it.

Its sadly very similar to corporate vs private responsibility.

Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by ryandrake on Sunday September 06, 2026 @12:32PM (#49588145)
Well, responsibility laundering isn't exactly new. People use corporations to diffuse responsibility and avoid punishment for crimes all the time. "The corporation did it, not the decision makers in the corporation!"
Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by amelius on Sunday September 06, 2026 @12:40PM (#49588249)
But if you are in a full selfdriving car and it kills someone, is it on the user, or on the vendor of the car? Or does it depend on what is in the EULA and whether the user agreed to it?
Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by adrianmonk on Sunday September 06, 2026 @01:57PM (#49589074)
This is a great rhetorical question. Can you believe that an LLM user is responsible for what the AI does but a self-driving car (SDC) user is not responsible for what the AI does? It doesn't seem very logically consistent.

In both cases, the company operating it promises they did lots of things to make it safe. SDC companies talk about testing, redundancy, simulations, and statistics. LLM companies talk about alignment, sandboxes, defense in depth, and restricting access to dangerous capabilities.

The one substantial difference I can see is that LLM chats are (nominally) passive but SDCs are active. In a chat, you're just having a conversation and then you're choosing how to act. When riding in a car, you the user are not in the loop between AI and taking action that affects the world around you. So they might be designed and engineered a bit differently. A SDC can't get you to agree to review the steering and braking decisions before they're put into action. Since you're not being asked to take that responsibility, it's more defensible to infer that the service has done whatever is necessary to make it safe.

Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by Dylan16807 on Sunday September 06, 2026 @12:55PM (#49588397)
The practical answer is you make sure damages are always covered by insurance, and as long as nobody acts maliciously or with extreme negligence there won't be any need for prison time.
Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by account42 on Monday September 07, 2026 @08:23AM (#49597507)
Practical in what sense? This is exactly how you get EPA superfund sites while the executives that profited from the offending activity remain unaffected.
Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by Dylan16807 on Monday September 07, 2026 @12:53PM (#49600372)
Practical in that we get to have widespread self driving cars. Real ones where you can look away from the road.

Do you have an "offending activity" in mind? The existence of car accidents isn't one. If you want the manufacturer to be liable for every mistake the car does, that's fine. But since that will increase the price of self-driving, likely as a subscription, it basically resolves into a type of insurance.

If the self-driving designers perform actual wrongdoing, that's a separate issue that can be handled like any other recallable hazard.

Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Sunday September 06, 2026 @12:43PM (#49588271)
Depends what outcome will cost the people with the most money the least amount of money.
Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by devsda on Sunday September 06, 2026 @01:06PM (#49588537)
Its like companies handing over race cars to delivery drivers and telling them to drive responsibly but unofficially tell them that they expect reduced delivery times due to faster cars.

Do you think the average rate of accidents will stay the same ?

Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by MrDrMcCoy on Sunday September 06, 2026 @11:30PM (#49593566)
Weren't there multiple microcosms along similar lines in the US with "30 minutes or less" pizza and _[gestures vaguely in the direction of Jimmy Johns]_ ...
Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by gdulli on Sunday September 06, 2026 @12:34PM (#49588168)
You're an employee. This use case is for people much richer than you.
Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by teekert on Sunday September 06, 2026 @02:13PM (#49589213)
It’s mostly the anti AI crowd that thinks that people that work LLMs think this way. I’ve never met anyone that actually does think this way.
Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by kevin_thibedeau on Sunday September 06, 2026 @01:47PM (#49588971)
Security tags are just a tool. Doesn't change that you are regarded as a thief when one isn't disabled after you've paid for your new property.
Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by adrianN on Sunday September 06, 2026 @12:39PM (#49588230)
The efficiency of responsibility laundering depends on your social standing. If people like you they welcome reasons not to prosecute you, if you are disliked people might go as far as to start prosecuting you for made up reasons.

Institutional rules that require people to break them (eg putting pressure on them to work faster than possible while adhering to all rules) are a great means to selectively enforce them to get rid of undesirables.

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Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by nozzlegear on Sunday September 06, 2026 @02:01PM (#49589109)
Bizarre take
Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by aleph_minus_one on Sunday September 06, 2026 @12:34PM (#49588175)
> Like the gun that kills people rather than the murderer.

Relevant (NSFW):

> Guns don't kill people, I kill people - with guns

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC03hmS1Brk

:-D

Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by funnymunny on Sunday September 06, 2026 @12:38PM (#49588215)
POW!
Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by computerdork on Sunday September 06, 2026 @12:50PM (#49588352)
Actually, not sure how to take it, because it can be viewed the opposite way than trying to escape blame for crimes, that it’s a parody of something AI did that everyone is making a big deal about.

Not sure what the poster of the mastodon’s tweet was??

Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by RevEng on Sunday September 06, 2026 @03:21PM (#49589856)
I'm almost certain it was parody.
Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by computerdork on Monday September 07, 2026 @03:15AM (#49594985)
That was my take too:)
Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by EyeEmOe on Sunday September 06, 2026 @02:15PM (#49589231)
Corporations will be given benefit of the doubt; ostensibly they have all of society in mind.

Individuals in isolation will be demonized for having only their singular interests in mind.

Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by tshaddox on Sunday September 06, 2026 @02:25PM (#49589347)
I don't know. Any of these criticisms can be applied on a case be case basis, but I think I would be justifiably upset if any of these happened:

1. my qBittorrent client pirated content without me intending it or taking any irresponsible actions that could reasonably be expected to cause it

2. my chatbot illegally infiltrated servers without me intending it or taking any irresponsible actions that could reasonably be expected to cause it

3. my firearm killed a person without me intending it or taking any irresponsible actions that could reasonably be expected to cause it

Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by margalabargala on Sunday September 06, 2026 @02:38PM (#49589490)
> my chatbot illegally infiltrated servers without me intending it or taking any irresponsible actions that could reasonably be expected to cause it

> taking any irresponsible actions that could reasonably be expected to cause it

That latter part of the sentence is doing a lot of heavy lifting here

Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by tshaddox on Sunday September 06, 2026 @03:10PM (#49589765)
For certain specific cases, sure, but there is a general concern about an AI agent doing something illegal or harmful against the intentions of the human operator. And this analogy of a BitTorrent client being used intentionally by a human to download copyrighted content is just not applicable.
Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by margalabargala on Sunday September 06, 2026 @04:44PM (#49590734)
I disagree. Fifteen years ago, you absolutely could have written a web crawler that aggregated torrent links, and occasionally picked one and downloaded it. You could even build in an attempt to screen filenames to only download legal content. Your program very well could have downloaded illegal content regardless.

The bittorrent client being used intentionally illegally by a human is something you've invented, it's not something in the original post nor in the comment I replied to.

There's a solid argument to be made that using a powerful LLM in an internet-connected environment constitutes "taking irresponsible actions that could reasonably be expected to cause it". The fact that doing otherwise makes powerful LLMs much less useful is beside the point here.

Re:QBittorrent breaks out of sandbox to commit crimes by tshaddox on Sunday September 06, 2026 @07:38PM (#49592040)
> Fifteen years ago, you absolutely could have written a web crawler that aggregated torrent links...

Sure, and you'd probably be culpable if you wrote the software. But if you purchased Quicken99 to do your taxes, and that software downloaded some copyrighted content with bittorrent, you would not be culpable.

> There's a solid argument to be made that using a powerful LLM in an internet-connected environment constitutes "taking irresponsible actions that could reasonably be expected to cause it".

That is a wild claim and could not possibly be true without some major legal precedent (and almost certainly significant legal/regulatory changes). These are among the most widely used and general purpose internet products in the United States.