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Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by NBJack on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:01PM (#49184705)
If I had a nickel for every model card, repo, or spec posted here that had zero samples of the actual output, I could probably start financing a rack of MI455Xs.
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by GrayShade on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:09PM (#49184813)
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by artninja1988 on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:15PM (#49184898)
How is the pro version different from this?
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by giancarlostoro on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:25PM (#49185054)
OpenAI does surprisingly well in this regard with their blog posts, and I'm more of an Anthropic fanboy. I wish most tech releases for AI were as well done as OpenAIs they actually showcase what they've built, honestly, if I had to compare it to another company, I wouldn't be surprised if former Apple employees are doing OpenAI's press briefings. Whoever does press briefings at Apple, they are worth their weight in gold.
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by sigmoid10 on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:32PM (#49185160)
The last chief communications officer of OpenAI used to work at Apple for 7 years according to her linkedin.
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by giancarlostoro on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:41PM (#49185310)
As I was writing this it dawned on me, and I had a feeling someone would confirm. :)

I am not a Sam Altman fan, but I do give him credit where its due, their press briefings are chef's kiss.

Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by amelius on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:35PM (#49185211)
I prefer no samples over cherry picked samples, though.
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by JacobAsmuth on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @01:45PM (#49186295)
Really? You prefer not to see the top end of the distribution? Why?
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by amelius on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @04:00PM (#49188167)
Because I don't like baby sitting an AI. Just tell me what it is capable of; not what it is capable of when I invest a lot of work into it myself. The whole point of an AI is that it does the work for me.
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by JacobAsmuth on Tuesday August 11, 2026 @12:37PM (#49260834)
Isn't the top end of the distribution by definition what it's capable of?
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by cubefox on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @01:36PM (#49186178)
If you register you can try it for free.
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by causal on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:16PM (#49184911)
Old news, no?
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by minimaxir on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:19PM (#49184961)
The model was added to OpenRouter yesterday.
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by phildougherty on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @11:53AM (#49184609)
is this going to get released on huggingface or is it cloud/hosted only?
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by uniclaude on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @11:53AM (#49184626)
The page lists it as "No" for open source, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by cubefox on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:14PM (#49184868)
The page does not mention open source.
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by john_strinlai on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:15PM (#49184896)
>The page does not mention open source.

on the right-hand side, it says:

"Version Tag: MAJOR

Open Source: No

Updated: Jul 20, 2026"

Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by cubefox on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:16PM (#49184913)
It doesn't for me.
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by DANmode on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:25PM (#49185042)
Are you on mobile? Doesn’t seem to show on mobile.
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by cubefox on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @01:01PM (#49185619)
Yes, even if I enable "desktop mode".
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by tingletech on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @02:01PM (#49186488)
you have to have either a tall viewport or scroll to the bottom of the page
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by vunderba on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:24PM (#49185028)
Given that Qwen Image 2 didn’t even get an open-weight release, I really doubt we’re going to see any kind of open release for it. They seem to have completely shifted over to proprietary models sadly.
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by pixelesque on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:27PM (#49185081)
They promised weights for Qwen Image 2 around 6 months ago and there's still nothing, so wouldn't get your hopes up...
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by themanmaran on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:18PM (#49184945)
Pretty annoying user experience trying to test out the model on the official Qwen site. You get an immediate popup with "Security Notice: For security purposes, please add a payment method" that blocks you from clicking anywhere.

Honestly if you're launching a new model, you should probably just make it free for the 24 hours after launch so people can test it out. Otherwise just wait till it's on openrouter.

Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by CamperBob2 on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @01:04PM (#49185664)
Not a great time to announce a pile of closed-weight excuses and locked gates when MiniMax-H3 just dropped.

Qwen lost some key people after 3.6 and it looks like we're seeing the consequences of that, or perhaps the cause.

Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by bayesianbot on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:34PM (#49185200)
And now you got 90% of the people saying the model sucks as it timed out while serving them
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by minimaxir on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:20PM (#49184972)
Also available on OpenRouter (whose image output support is getting better): https://openrouter.ai/qwen/qwen-image-3-pro
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by sinak on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:21PM (#49184992)
Looks like this model is meaningfully less good than gpt-image-2. Arena.ai score is 1263 vs 1380.

https://arena.ai/leaderboard/text-to-image

Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by minimaxir on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:23PM (#49185018)
Everything is less good than gpt-2-image and I suspect that will be the case for awhile, until potentially Nano Banana Pro 2.

However, cost is significantly lower in this case. A Pro image here is $0.04, a gpt-2-image high is $0.21 and lower resolution.

Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by svachalek on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:54PM (#49185499)
gpt-2-image has such a yellow tinge though. It stands out badly on nearly any screen. The image quality is great otherwise, but I generally prefer nano banana for its color balance.
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by vunderba on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:56PM (#49185535)
True but it’s at least addressable with some basic tone-mapping changes. It’s easier to correct an issue like this than to deal with an image that simply doesn’t follow your prompt.

Here's a quick trend of the "piss filter" in the gpt image series:

https://imgpb.com/vCZidh

Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by CamperBob2 on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @01:40PM (#49186224)
Not a great test case, considering how much of the artwork in-distribution for that type of image will have age-yellowed lacquer.
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by vunderba on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @03:23PM (#49187667)
Oh yeah, that’s a good point I’ll generate some images of a theoretical earth with a solar system bathed in the light of a K-type orange dwarf star instead. :)

I have some other examples of it as well that aren't going to be potentially contaminated by that late 18th century / early 19th century tintype-esque training data.

https://imgpb.com/vTUHo

Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by Invictus0 on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:50PM (#49185433)
Gpt 2 image is unlimited on a chatgpt pro plan
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by dragonwriter on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @07:40PM (#49190550)
Which makes it a clear price win if you already subscribe to Pro for some other reason, otherwise the price crossover where ChatGPT Pro unlimited beats the per-image pricing cited here is 80+ images/day.
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by vunderba on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:33PM (#49185187)
As I’ve said before, I wouldn’t put a lot of stock in Arena’s scoring system. They have MAI Image 2.5 ranked above Gemini Nano Banana Pro, and maybe that’s true on paper but good luck using it. Microsoft’s censorship makes Google feel like the wild west by comparison.

They also have Meta’s Muse Image ranked above NB Pro, which is just patently absurd. In my own GenAI benchmark it only managed a lackluster 7 passes out of 15. Even the open‑weight Ideogram 4 scored higher than that.

For reference, here’s GPT‑Image‑2, NB Pro, and Muse compared:

https://genai-showdown.specr.net/?models=nbp,g2,mi

Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by nrightnour on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:46PM (#49185380)
The photo rankings on this page are so absurd that the only reasonable explanation is that they were judged by an AI.
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by minimaxir on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @01:13PM (#49185820)
The rankings are for prompt adherence, not subjective quality.
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by DANmode on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:23PM (#49185023)
Less than 10% is meaningful?

If these were processors, I wouldn’t spend another hundred on the faster one…

Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by minimaxir on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:25PM (#49185051)
The scores are pairwise ELO rankings, not simple metric scores.
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by saltysalt on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:30PM (#49185135)
Will be interesting to see if they release the weights for local deployments. I love running Flux2 locally via ComfyUI.
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by Eueudhsbsj32 on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @12:49PM (#49185414)
I doubt any labs will be releasing weights for frontier image models.

Why would they want to deal with the amount of bad press they'll get for unsavory porn? Look at what happened to Grok.

Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by minimaxir on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @01:10PM (#49185775)
Minimax just released the weights for a video model (https://huggingface.co/MiniMaxAI/MiniMax-H3) that apparently only has limited safeguards.
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by Eueudhsbsj32 on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @02:20PM (#49186793)
I forgot about that.. I'm surprised China allowed them to release that. Surely it will only increase the likelihood and severity of western restrictions on Chinese open models.

Unless they see it as a way to stoke anti-AI sentiment in the west and further polarize us..

Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by dannyw on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @03:09PM (#49187494)
There's plenty of sites/APIs providing (actually) uncensored Seedance / Seedream models from ByteDance, which I find surprising too.

Yes, they're real Seedance, no refusals.

Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by CamperBob2 on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @01:38PM (#49186203)
If it has any safeguards at all, I don't think they've been found yet... and /r/unstablediffusion has been trying.
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by numpad0 on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @01:03PM (#49185650)
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by tingletech on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @01:59PM (#49186462)
When I tried to sign up for Qwen last month (after getting an ad on youtube), after entering my credit card for a "free" trial, Alibaba wanted me to upload a picture of my driver's license to be able to use it! I almost sold by BABA.
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by storywatch on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @02:01PM (#49186492)
What's the difference between Qwen Cloud and Alibaba Cloud? Same company?
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by npn on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @02:17PM (#49186728)
Similar to aistudio vs vertex.

Or rather, Alibaba cloud is equivalent to google cloud or aws.

Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by jjcm on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @02:31PM (#49186965)
I was playing with this a bunch when it dropped a week ago. It's a big step up over their prior model, but it's nowhere near gpt-image-2 at least for high density UI design. Photos are a solved domain in my eyes, so the real question is if it can do infographics/web design.

Here are some samples, each with the same prompt:

Cannabis site

gpt-image-2: https://image.non.io/9fbf3396-889a-445e-b51b-ab4468ded269.we...

qwen-3: https://image.non.io/b5061e30-fafa-496f-9dad-2071e9473998.we...

Bookstore site

gpt-image-2: https://image.non.io/7157afee-914e-4433-9d5e-e3d0c8d8b3a3.we...

qwen-3: https://image.non.io/9556857b-e6f3-4754-8958-74b2265d946f.we...

While it does text fairly well, the overall layout/aesthetics are simply behind.

Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by theturtletalks on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @02:41PM (#49187116)
The bookstore design is really nice. Did you use diffui.ai?

Also, mind if I take it for my open-source bookstore SaaS?

Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by jjcm on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @03:10PM (#49187512)
Yea, the prompt was the expanded json the diffui harness uses. And re grabbing the designs, go for it.

I expaneded out the designs here - feel free to copy them for your agent to build: https://diffui.ai/app/canvas/95934269-5dc8-4145-a33a-d3a4dc2...

I'd recommend adding something like this to the copied prompt:

"Focus heavily on the angular cuts. Use image-to-svg to generate the hero graphics and also generate images of the hero graphics - let me choose between the two of them."

That should help steer the agent a bit and will give you some optionality for the hero graphics.

Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by theturtletalks on Thursday August 06, 2026 @05:59PM (#49203193)
Thanks for expanding the designs for it, they look great! I need nice storefronts for my open-source SaaS but 5.6 Sol has been making them look really generic. I tried Google Stitch but it was much of the same. I really like diffui, but is there a way for me to use in Codex directly?
Re:Qwen 3.0 Image Pro by asveikau on Wednesday August 05, 2026 @03:02PM (#49187406)
Seems like the title order is incorrect at the time of this comment. It says Qwen 3.0 Image, but it's Qwen Image 3.0.