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Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by walrus01 on Sunday July 26, 2026 @08:44AM (#49057590)
URL appears to go to home page of RO military, another URL is: https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20260726-romanian-jet-sho...
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by jubilanti on Sunday July 26, 2026 @09:04AM (#49057796)
Nice to see a France24 link in the wild, it is a very underrated news outlet
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by walrus01 on Sunday July 26, 2026 @09:06AM (#49057809)
France24 does a lot of very solid work related to one of my particular areas of interest in the Iran/Afghanistan/Pakistan region. It's also a great alternative to any US news sources even for news about what's going on domestically in North America (though the CBC has more breadth of coverage, for sure).
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by sunaookami on Sunday July 26, 2026 @09:23AM (#49057976)
Just keep in mind that's literally owned by the French government.
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by Jolter on Sunday July 26, 2026 @09:30AM (#49058032)
That’s probably a factor in why it’s able to maintain such high quality.

Though most French commercial media are not bad, either.

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by petre on Sunday July 26, 2026 @09:31AM (#49058057)
Yeah, just like the BBC is owned by the British government. Less clickbait and scaremongering, I guess.
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by yls on Sunday July 26, 2026 @09:39AM (#49058122)
I think it is not owned by the government, rather by the state.

In a democracy, how is this a bad thing?

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by sunaookami on Sunday July 26, 2026 @11:42AM (#49059279)
>Since 2008 the channel has been wholly owned by the French government

Explain to me why reading news from the state is a good thing? Kinda shocked that people here applaud state-owned media (there is no difference between "government-owned" or "state-owned").

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by ceejayoz on Sunday July 26, 2026 @11:59AM (#49059442)
I tend to prefer public media over corporate media. It’s not like the Murdochs are more trustworthy than Macron.
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by bananamogul on Sunday July 26, 2026 @12:14PM (#49059579)
Interesting how people like it use sympathetic terms (“public media”) while those who don’t use pejorative terms (“state-owned”, “government-run”).

I’m not saying it’s good or bad, just observing the language.

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by inigyou on Sunday July 26, 2026 @12:50PM (#49059917)
The former is euphemistic. The latter two are objective.
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by entrope on Sunday July 26, 2026 @01:26PM (#49060264)
Not in every case. I would call (in the US) National Public Radio "public media", but Voice of America "government-run".

I personally don't know enough about BBC or France 24 to go beyond "government-funded", so I would want more details about their governance before using the terms mentioned before to describe them.

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by yls on Sunday July 26, 2026 @01:16PM (#49060165)
Sarcasm?

In a democracy, how would state owned be different from public?

Do you also call libraries state-run?

IMHO both terms are heavy with bias depending on context.

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by inigyou on Sunday July 26, 2026 @02:07PM (#49060689)
Public means accessible to everyone. State-owned means owned by the state. These are orthogonal axes. X is a public square that is not owned by the state. The CIA situation room is owned by the state but is not public.
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by eth0up on Sunday July 26, 2026 @02:17PM (#49060782)
I think if certain books happened to not appear in that library, it being state-run might be something to consider.

What ever it truly is, America is called a 'democracy', and it had Project Mockingbird, which some, myself included, say never ended. And even being maximally fair, I must question whether democracy has any meaning in the context of media after Ellison buys half of it. Does he not own CNN? No point in mentioning who, or what owns Fox. And Bezos?

I know it comes off offensive, despite being unintended, but 'democracy' means nothing to me. We have some useful principles of it, which I value, but as a thing, I don't see it.

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by inigyou on Sunday July 26, 2026 @02:20PM (#49060828)
Alternative conclusion: democracy means something, but America doesn't have it
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by eth0up on Sunday July 26, 2026 @02:39PM (#49061006)
Yeah. And we seem to be missing a Republic too. Thank G0d for Chinese LLMs.
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by bobthepanda on Sunday July 26, 2026 @12:32PM (#49059738)
A diversity of media is a good thing. Most of the bad things you could say about state media also apply to sufficiently concentrated private media.
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by sunaookami on Tuesday July 28, 2026 @08:28AM (#49082792)
Of course but that was not my argument.
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by hyperman1 on Sunday July 26, 2026 @12:45PM (#49059864)
You have to read the news from someone, and each one has its own bias. State news has a well known failure mode as propaganda. But commercial news turns out to have its own failure mode, where emotion inducing content has bigger gains for lower cost.

The best advice I can give here is to mix different sources. As a Belgian, I have a few local newspapers and the VRT news for Belgium, NOS, BBC, CNN, and Al Jazeera, which are all checked at least weekly. Each one has its own blatant biases and blind spots. There are still big missing gaps, e.g. a Chinese and an African perspective. There is clearly Gell Mann Amnesia going on. Even so, I started to look very different to the world.

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by yls on Sunday July 26, 2026 @01:14PM (#49060150)
To me there is, government as "ops", where the media could be more biased, while the state is the more wholistic entity, owned by the tax payer.

Your comment makes only sense if you follow the narrative that state is bad, private companies good. In most European countries, we are rather happy with having a part of the media market owned by the state.

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by thisislife2 on Sunday July 26, 2026 @01:41PM (#49060414)
> Explain to me why reading news from the state is a good thing?

When you get your news from RT, BBC, France24, DW, PressTV, NPR, Gulf News, DD, Al-Jazeera etc. you get "official" political propaganda from the respective governments that run these outlets. Political propaganda can be based on falsehood or factual truth(s) with a "biased" analysis on it. Government news outlets have to show some journalistic integrity to earn trust. Thus, most of their propaganda tends to be based on facts than on falsehood. So reading them all or reading about the same subjects from these different outlets really gives you a larger political perspective with some great political insights.

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by brabel on Sunday July 26, 2026 @02:55PM (#49061194)
As far as I know, it’s in the mission of most of these to give an unbiased report on what is happening in the world and inside the country. In practice, there may be influence by powerful politicians, but for these news outlets to spread government propaganda would constitute corruption.

I know that the BBC in the UK, SVT in Sweden, the ABC in Australia go to great lengths to listen to both sides, whatever they may be, to a fault. They are often criticized for giving minority views too much coverage for this reason, and rarely for saying what the government would want them to say uncritically.

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by thisislife2 on Monday July 27, 2026 @12:53PM (#49072383)
> but for these news outlets to spread government propaganda would constitute corruption.

You would think so, but that isn't the reality because journalistic "corruption" is judged on political ideology. Your whole notion of what is "corrupt values" is based on your political ideology. And one of the important roles of government news outlets is to propagate the political values that the country has adopted - that is why western media covers capitalism with a positive biases and disses on communism and socialism with negative biases (and vice-versa in say, Russia and Cuba). These political values are not examined neutrally by the media because the political powers have already termed one or other other as "corrupt".

Just look at the heavily biased (positive) coverage Israel receives in western medias. Western countries were imperialist powers and thus have no problem with Israeli zionism's settler-colonialists policies and the consequent repression of Palestinians. Where as the Global South, especially former colonies still remember what it was to be colonised by foreigners and thus are "biased" towards Palestinians. (Ireland is the exception in the west, with huge sympathy for the Palestinians, because it too remembers its oppression under the British).

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by brabel on Monday July 27, 2026 @04:34PM (#49075167)
> These political values are not examined neutrally by the media because the political powers have already termed one or other other as "corrupt".

I don’t really recognize that when it comes to capitalism, plenty of criticism on the national media I know. Can you give examples of that bias?

I would say there are other examples of this though, for example when it comes to various wars where the country has taken sides: it becomes really difficult for journalists to openly defend the “enemy”.

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by throw1234567891 on Sunday July 26, 2026 @02:17PM (#49060781)
Who are you getting your news from? “Fox quote on quote News”?
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by sunaookami on Tuesday July 28, 2026 @08:27AM (#49082783)
Stop making up strawmen.
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by M95D on Sunday July 26, 2026 @02:33PM (#49060949)
Commercial interests tend to progresively degrade the quality of the news if there are no state-funded news channels. They publish more and more unverified "facts", conspiracy theories, tabloid news, AI slop, AI images instead of real news photograpy, intrusive ads, etc.

When there's a news channel funded by the state (instead of ads), most other private news are forced to keep up the quality and they also have the opportunity to call out any bad news and biases published by the state channel. This way no news outlets stray too far from the truth or become unreadable slop. It's better overall.

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF on Sunday July 26, 2026 @09:47AM (#49058214)
What is the distinction between government and state?

As for your question, Russia is nominally a democracy but I wouldn't trust the veracity of their state media reports.

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by walrus01 on Sunday July 26, 2026 @10:03AM (#49058360)
> What is the distinction between government and state?

In a parliamentary democracy the "government" is the prime minister, president (whatever the titles are), cabinet ministers and the party that happens to be in power at any given time. The "Government" might be a coalition of 2, 3, or 4 medium sized political parties that have come to some sort of arrangement to have enough votes to pass a budget and laws. The "state" are the persons who perform the longer term functions of the state not directly controlled by the whims of any political thing that might happen in a specific year.

For instance when France made a decision to build its previous series of nuclear powered, missile carrying submarines, and the decision to build a new series that will enter service some time in the 2030s, that's implemented by the civil servants who run the state. Various political parties have waxed and waned and leadership has come and gone since the French nuclear program began, but various successor governments have continued it.

Less specific than that program, the state implements other basic services for the people of the country, all the things that have their day to day work done by people who aren't elected members of parliament. The parliamentarians who happen to be occupying various seats at any given time are the government.

In a more specific Canadian example: The government funding that comes to the CBC each year is actually from what would we would call the state. https://cbc.radio-canada.ca/en/impact-and-accountability/fin...

You'll see terms used like "the government has collapsed as the result of a non confidence vote" or "there's been a leadership challenge inside the government (eg: how Trudeau lost power recently)", it doesn't mean the functions of the state have collapsed.

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by mdp2021 on Sunday July 26, 2026 @10:27AM (#49058566)
> the distinction between government and state

The State would be the organization that uses governments as the branch of executive power (and also organizes a legislative activity, and a judiciary activity...). The kind and amount of power held by the Head of the State and the Head of the Government can vary.

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS on Sunday July 26, 2026 @10:01AM (#49058329)
> In a democracy, how is this a bad thing?

Because democracy is effectively mob rule, which means minority voices may get shut out.

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by jfengel on Sunday July 26, 2026 @11:25AM (#49059076)
Ah, but they were aware of that, and built in protections for minorities.

Which means that everything leads to the status quo, and the majority voices get shut out in favor of the most entrenched minority.

Those clever founders.

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by alt227 on Sunday July 26, 2026 @11:10AM (#49058934)
How is this any different to any private news outlet which might hold a bias?
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by dredmorbius on Sunday July 26, 2026 @03:34PM (#49061591)
Advertising-funded media is inherently plutocratic, in which those with the most money influence direction. Sometimes more overtly than others.

There've been many treatments of this: Jerry Mander's Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television (1978), Edward S. Herman & Noam Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent (1988), Neil Postman's Amusing OUrselves to Death (1985), Hamilton Holt's Commercialism and Journalism (1909) <https://archive.org/details/commercialismjou00holtuoft/page/...>.

That last is particularly good for a number of reasons, including that it's short and information dense, and lays out the clear conflicts inherent to advertising-driven media just at the time it was first gaining influence, and at a fraction of its present size and influence.

If you prefer video, media critic Isadore F. "I.F." Stone gave an excellent 1973 interview on the PBS series Day at Night on the state of newspaper journalism in the United States, contrasting the relative independence of big-city dailies vs. rural papers. The former were large enough that no single advertiser could threaten editorial independence.

Link will offer a choice of instances to redirect to: <https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=qV3gO3zxQ1g> (video).

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by snowpid on Sunday July 26, 2026 @10:09AM (#49058407)
The government it can use its media to influence its citizen and try it to change election results or create propangada.

France is executive heavy democracy similar to US and Latin American States. This is a very big flaw and state owned media might be contribute to.

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by ekianjo on Sunday July 26, 2026 @10:02AM (#49058341)
Yeah a solid propaganda arm of the French government
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by renox on Sunday July 26, 2026 @11:42AM (#49059289)
Not the only one though: I remember what happened when we 'invaded' Lybia: not one criticism in the French news anywhere, total censorship, even though our media had widely and correctly criticised the US for the Irak war..

So I think the best thing is to get news from everywhere Russia, China, the US, Europe, but that's a lot of work..

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by gabaix on Sunday July 26, 2026 @12:23PM (#49059651)
It is also not possible as there is censorship in some cases. The European Union has blocked rt.com.
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by inigyou on Sunday July 26, 2026 @12:51PM (#49059924)
That is blocked because far too many EU residents were taking it as 100% fact and acting upon it.

The block is only DNS level, IIRC, and doesn't affect VPNs.

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by ekianjo on Saturday August 08, 2026 @09:33PM (#49227548)
once you require VPNs this means 90% of people wont see it
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by ekianjo on Saturday August 08, 2026 @09:31PM (#49227541)
you cant get news from Russia they prevent you from seeing it
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by walrus01 on Sunday July 26, 2026 @10:07AM (#49058395)
As compared to what more trustworthy, honest news sources? Please name a few, I'm curious.
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by happosai on Sunday July 26, 2026 @11:20AM (#49059021)
Usually the argument is that because a reputable news agency with a history of high quality journalism made once a mistake, it's better to listen to some angry podcaster with a history inviting cooky nutcase, or sketchy Twitter account with history of boosting fake news as jokes.
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by ekianjo on Saturday August 08, 2026 @09:34PM (#49227560)
no the pattern is constantly having the same blindspot. like newscaster pushing for "safe and effective" bs completely ignoring side effects
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by ekianjo on Sunday July 26, 2026 @01:39PM (#49060386)
Two things can be true at the same time. The lack of good sources and the fact that france24 is pure propaganda.
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by mlinksva on Sunday July 26, 2026 @03:33PM (#49061571)
Including on the dimensions of (1) having a very fast website and (2) not having any paywalls. Feels very good to read.
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by close04 on Sunday July 26, 2026 @08:52AM (#49057679)
The home page shows 3 consecutive press releases for the past 3 days each detailing a similar incident.

The first drone on 24.07 took ~80min to intercept and shoot down, well into the country. The other 2 were shot down within kilometers of the border so they’re paying closer attention.

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by bestham on Sunday July 26, 2026 @09:09AM (#49057841)
The asymmetry between the drones and the F16 neutralising them quickly makes this financially unsustainable.
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by lukan on Sunday July 26, 2026 @09:46AM (#49058209)
Yes, but it also trains the pilots and everything around them for real action in a non war environment (you cannot just shoot anywhere in civilian airspace).

And they would need to train anyway.

But for a real conflict, sure, more economical solutions are on the way.

Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by AnimalMuppet on Sunday July 26, 2026 @09:50AM (#49058249)
I believe that Sun Tsu said something about using your enemy's military to train your military.
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by spiderfarmer on Sunday July 26, 2026 @09:45AM (#49058194)
I love how people are pointing this out thinking NATO countries aren’t currently doing a Manhattan-light on drone defense.
Re:Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory by firefax on Sunday July 26, 2026 @10:01AM (#49058332)
I think the idea is that you don't keep sending just one F16, but the problem is long before an age of drones we built up some catch me if you can bullshit where we expect smaller countries to ignore airspace violations.

Like bro... you got a GPS. Get the fuck out of here.