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Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by Waterluvian on Saturday July 25, 2026 @01:16AM (#49044730)
The Americans have what’s basically a cultural trait at this point of deflecting ownership of their government’s actions with “not my president so not my failure” abdication of responsibility.

I wish we could open trade talks with these people instead. But, alas, that’s not how it works.

Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by w0de0 on Saturday July 25, 2026 @01:42AM (#49044846)
Fine, it’s all my fault. Neither me nor my state voted that way, I’ve protested like hell, but nonetheless at your insistence I accept personal responsibility for the policy choices of the federal government.

What do you propose I do?

Or did you just want my permission to be personally angry at me? Not sure you needed it, but you’ve now got it.

Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by close04 on Saturday July 25, 2026 @02:01AM (#49044911)
Something you might have noticed, every time there’s something positive, to brag or take pride with, someone will rub it in everyone else’s face: “we got to the Moon first”, “we have all the freedoms and the best democracy”, we have the most powerful army or strongest economy”, “we have bigger homes and bigger incomes”. For the good stuff it’s always “we”, part of the greatest. Individual contributions are blurry, meaningless. The laurels belong to everyone.

When it comes to the bad stuff there’s a shift in language. There’s no “we” anywhere to be found. It’s vague but it’s definitely someone else in another state who’s responsible. A crazy politician. A corrupt interest localized elsewhere. Overall result is blurry, meaningless. The blame belongs to someone specific.

The usual first reaction is “but those were different people you were talking to” and you’re right. But what a coincidence that when someone assigns blame there’s always an answer like yours to deflect it, but when they were assigning “awards” nobody ever came up to deflect those. Either most Americans think they should only get the praise and every other voice is drowned, or maybe it’s a balanced split but you only speak now to tell is you feel slighted and victimized but chose to be quiet back then when you were honored as an American.

It’s this coincidence you should be upset with. When the right hand only brags about the good stuff and puts the golden crown on your head, and the left hand only shirks responsibility when it’s pointed out that there’s gunk all over the crown and the backside is wooden.

Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by Klonoar on Saturday July 25, 2026 @02:29AM (#49045028)
I don’t think you want to do anything here except rub Americans nose in failure.

Which is fine, but attempting to grandstand while doing it is just boring to read.

Or maybe you just need more practice at this kind of internet kickdown.

Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by close04 on Saturday July 25, 2026 @02:49AM (#49045122)
This is why you should sleep on it before replying. What kind of reply is that? “It was so boring I had to read it all and reply with a personal attack”? Do what everybody else does, downvote in response for the burn and move on.

If you thought I was wrong you wouldn’t spend 3 paragraphs (yes, a sentence can be a paragraph, and in this case it is) talking about me, you’d show me it’s not like that, not like everyone else sees it.

Funny thing is that unlike you who only had some 2bit ad-hominem to offer, GP is probably not wrong. They really aren’t responsible for the current situation and maybe even did their part to fight it. But they were immediately triggered and had to object when they felt unfairly bundled with the “losers”. Did you ever see anyone objecting to being unfairly bundled with the “winners” (i.e. never really contributed to the win)?

Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by Klonoar on Saturday July 25, 2026 @03:21AM (#49045282)
Nah, I'm content with my response.
Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by close04 on Saturday July 25, 2026 @03:28AM (#49045313)
Oh, no, that much was obvious. I can’t get blood from stone. Or a valuable conversation :)
Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by malcolmgreaves on Saturday July 25, 2026 @05:41AM (#49046099)
You’re not making valuable conversation.
Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by hack1312 on Saturday July 25, 2026 @02:57AM (#49045160)
3 paragraphs? Dude they wrote 3 sentences.

Your edit to claim a sentence can be a paragraph just makes you look even more pathetic

Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by irishcoffee on Saturday July 25, 2026 @08:00AM (#49046864)
The whole thing is cringe to read. I don’t care if people hate Americans, but their stance is just… yeah cringe, I don’t have a better word for it.
Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by close04 on Saturday July 25, 2026 @04:32PM (#49051266)
Of course you care. Enough to play the victim game and cry people “hate Americans” every time someone criticizes anything about (specific) Americans. Talk about cringe.
Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by irishcoffee on Saturday July 25, 2026 @10:49PM (#49054185)
Nah. Don’t care. Really don’t. My life is pretty great, people across the pond pissed off mean literally nothing to me.
Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by w0de0 on Saturday July 25, 2026 @03:06AM (#49045202)
I think your observation is valid, but - perhaps from very understandable frustration - overwrought, and unfairly characterized as a specifically American foible.

Success always has many fathers, failure is always an orphan, anywhere. At least I am recognizing failure, if only to disown it!

(And if I rightly feel shame now, even without personal responsibility, cannot I not be allowed some sober pride in equal measure in other circumstances?)

Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by jibal on Saturday July 25, 2026 @02:45AM (#49045103)
That's a lot of handwaving and broad generalizations / hyperbole that does exactly what the GP complained about from the GGP, and failed to answer their question: "What do you propose I do?"
Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by vasco on Saturday July 25, 2026 @03:12AM (#49045239)
Move to Alaska to become the greatest salmon catcher that ever lived.
Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by w0de0 on Saturday July 25, 2026 @04:59AM (#49045846)
In actual fact I did move to a boat far from American shores. Ha.
Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by inigyou on Saturday July 25, 2026 @08:02AM (#49046872)
Contributing to fisheries decline?
Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by vasco on Sunday July 26, 2026 @02:49AM (#49055430)
So are you!
Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by duskdozer on Saturday July 25, 2026 @04:28AM (#49045678)
I think that's human psychology[0], not necessarily specifically American. Either way, I think that the people most likely to say the things in your first paragraph are also much more likely to consider the "bad stuff" you're talking about as "good stuff" and brag about that as well.

American voting systems are bad. Average Americans have minimal influence on the policy that's enacted[1]. I wonder if where you are from these don't apply as much, and you are used to having more control over what the government does.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error?...

[1] https://pnhp.org/news/gilens-and-page-average-citizens-have-...

Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by firesteelrain on Saturday July 25, 2026 @07:29AM (#49046680)
You wrote three paragraphs and never once answered “what do you propose I do?” because there isn’t an answer, just a vibe you wanted to deliver.

Congrats on discovering that people claim credit collectively and blame individually. That’s not a uniquely American sin, that’s every human tribe since forever and you just gave it a paragraph structure and called it a diagnosis.

Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by anonymars on Saturday July 25, 2026 @08:00AM (#49046862)
It's easier to throw stones than realize "this could happen to my society too and in all likelihood I'd be just as screwed as the Americans, Russians, 1930s Germans..."

COVID was another vivid illustration of how you're just along for the ride with people who can act contrary to everyone's collective self-interest

Seems it's people with outsized media influence that have the most agency for change, beyond that a fish rots from the top down

Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by close04 on Saturday July 25, 2026 @04:27PM (#49051212)
At the very least don’t point the finger at others, obviously. It’s your people, even if different individuals. You are a democracy, there’s no “not my fault, someone else must have voted wrong”. Whatever the result, good or bad, it comes from all of the votes, including the ones not given.

If the question was “what do I do to fix it” that’s not something you’ll get answered in a comment.

Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by customguy on Saturday July 25, 2026 @02:05PM (#49050006)
> What do you propose I do?

They asked to stop deflecting. Take that literally. Imagine this page without the comment and the comments hanging off it.

"Don't do this thing". "What should I do instead?" Your choice. Maybe nothing. When there is nothing serious to say, maybe sit with the silence, that space where a little joke or some cynicism would relieve the pressure without doing any productive work, and let it work on you. At least until you can't take it anymore, and maybe tomorrow you'll last longer, and maybe next week you'll have a breakthrough.

At any rate, others can't tell us how to fix a situation we're not part of causing. In a society of millions, while each can say "I'm just one of many", nobody else can say more, so we always have "full" responsibility, that is, the maximum possible. Put differently, it is not possible for a single person to be solely responsible for what two people do, but that doesn't change the responsibility they do have.

This isn't about spilled milk, but rather about the question on who it is to fix this. It is on you. If you cannot do it alone, you have to organise with others. But there is nobody, as long as you're an adult and a citizen, that you can point to that should be expected to "do it" instead.

Though I don't mean this in a finger-pointy way either because we all sit in glass houses. There may be differences in degree and all that, but when it comes to what should or could be, and how it is, we're all so far from the mark that bickering about who is the worst and who should get "the" blame for the situation, rather than how to change it, seems pointless.

> Or did you just want my permission to be personally angry at me? Not sure you needed it, but you’ve now got it.

I personally wish you a really awesome weekend, stranger. You insisted on making this personal, now deal with it >:[

Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by jibal on Saturday July 25, 2026 @02:40AM (#49045081)
No, it's those who say "He's my President! (also yours)" who deny and deflect all responsibility.
Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by swed420 on Saturday July 25, 2026 @08:37AM (#49047109)
> The Americans have what’s basically a cultural trait at this point of deflecting ownership of their government’s actions with “not my president so not my failure” abdication of responsibility.

That's merely a symptom of the underlying problem, which is that capital interests run the show, and have for many decades.

What we refer to as a democracy is illusory. We basically have a uniparty, but most people are fooled by the sports team arrangement of good cop / bad cop. Those who aren't fooled feel powerless, and they are right to.

Anyone who balks at this need only consider which things receive bi-partisan support.

Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by ndsipa_pomu on Saturday July 25, 2026 @09:15AM (#49047347)
Well, a two-party system is bound to be compromised as voters don't have reasonable choices.
Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by swed420 on Saturday July 25, 2026 @09:17AM (#49047357)
Euro countries with >2 parties have the similar capture problems.
Re:Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospor... by ourmandave on Saturday July 25, 2026 @09:00AM (#49047259)
Yeah, the guy who declared "No Kings" demonstrators extremists and terrorists, and threatens to invoke the Insurrection Act against ICE protestors has in effect said he's not my president for me.